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[Luto]

Hi Guys, TIA

I get to build a new machine and need some advice: I need to match the CPU and GPU.
I hope to get 40+ frame rate in a melee. 1080 and max everything. Single screen. Stock cooling. Little to none OC. I want to go budget.

Can I do it with CPU i5 3350P with 2133 x 8GB and the GPU Radeon 7850 with 2 GB?

Assume no cross-fire upgrade later. MoBo will have one Pci 3.0 16x slot. Reasonable power supply too.

Somethings I don't know:

• CPU Duel core or Quad core?
  
• GPU RAM, 2 Gb seems like a good idea right? More is better.

Could I go with a dual core Sandy bridge and a 77xx series with only 1 GB? Or even the 7850 GPU with 1 Gb?


It seems like the i5 Quad core without the built-in GPU is a good choice. But do I need Quad core? Is a faster dual core Sandy Bridge better?

Like I said Thanks In Advance for any thoughts. See you out there.

[Vulpesveritas]

I'd stick to the CPU, drop the RAM down to 1600mhz CAS9, and up the GPU to a 7870.
for budget, maxing out everything with no OC and sticking to Intel.;
Case: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811146061
PSU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817182131
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157314
CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116782
GPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814202024
RAM: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820148662
HDD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822148767
ODD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827106289
OS: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116986

[Ryvucz]

Luto, on 26 January 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Hi Guys, TIA

I get to build a new machine and need some advice: I need to match the CPU and GPU.
I hope to get 40+ frame rate in a melee. 1080 and max everything. Single screen. Stock cooling. Little to none OC. I want to go budget.

Can I do it with CPU i5 3350P with 2133 x 8GB and the GPU Radeon 7850 with 2 GB?

Assume no cross-fire upgrade later. MoBo will have one Pci 3.0 16x slot. Reasonable power supply too.

Somethings I don't know:

• CPU Duel core or Quad core?
  
• GPU RAM, 2 Gb seems like a good idea right? More is better.

Could I go with a dual core Sandy bridge and a 77xx series with only 1 GB? Or even the 7850 GPU with 1 Gb?



It seems like the i5 Quad core without the built-in GPU is a good choice. But do I need Quad core? Is a faster dual core Sandy Bridge better?

Like I said Thanks In Advance for any thoughts. See you out there.

Keep in mind this game is not optimized yet, it will tax your CPU more than your GPU currently. Just a heads up.

And welcome to the forums. =)

[DocBach]

how bout for an FX 8320? Got everything else but the GPU in hand already.

[Az0r]

MWO uses ~1.4GB of video memory at 1080p with max settings, so you're going to want a 2GB card.
MWO runs terribly on dual core systems. So stick with the i5.
Ram speed wont provide any noticeable performance gains in MWO, so drop that down to 1600 or 1333.

Basically Vulpes list is pretty spot on for the type of build you want. The only change I would make is this cheaper and slightly higher overclocked video card: http://www.newegg.co...#scrollFullInfo

Edited by Az0r, 27 January 2013 - 07:26 AM.

[Luto]

Thanks for the replies and the recommendations.

Vulpesveritas, Thanks for the Newegg links. I will probably go with the case and power supply.

Az0r, so the GPU memory usage is heavy. I don't think that will go down, even with optimization after Beta.

I wonder if I should spend more and get a moBo that can handle Cross fire, or just call it good and assume this machine will be good for 4 years and then just update then. My sense is call it good since Cross fire needs support in the application and or the driver OC issues are unknown, at least for me. If those two things are true, then for sure, skip the Xcross fire support even though the GPU memory will be 75% used from the start.

I was thinking about posting in a hardware forum and just saying the Crysys 3 engine, but this is better.

Thanks!

[Vulpesveritas]

Az0r, on 27 January 2013 - 06:15 AM, said:

MWO uses ~1.4GB of video memory at 1080p with max settings, so you're going to want a 2GB card.
MWO runs terribly on dual core systems. So stick with the i5.
Ram speed wont provide any noticeable performance gains in MWO, so drop that down to 1600 or 1333.

Basically Vulpes list is pretty spot on for the type of build you want. The only change I would make is this cheaper and slightly higher overclocked video card: http://www.newegg.co...#scrollFullInfo

The GPU I recommended it Talahi LE which is faster than the OC'd 7870's and is just behind the 7950. It's $30 for 10% higher performance and a smaller card than the IceQ. (though the IceQ is a great card, it's just not as good of a grab IMO)

[Mordynak]

JFYI, you don't need the quckest RAM there is.
You wont notice the difference in 1333Mhz over 1800Mhz.

Something to bare in mind,especially on a budget build.

Also something to note. Most modern intel motherboards support both SLi and Corssfire. So that shouldnt be a problem with either you choose, should you decide to upgrade in the future.

And lastly, save yourself some headaches and get an nVidia GPU.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Personally, I'd get an fx6300 and buy more GPU with the savings but you'll need more PSU than with an i5. Plus AM3+ isn't a dead socket and it's overclockable so there is that. Also this setup isn't the best balance for the current MWO but once DX11 comes out it'll give better results and it'll be better for all the other games out there. Just my humble opinion.

[Az0r]

Luto, on 27 January 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

Thanks for the replies and the recommendations.

Vulpesveritas, Thanks for the Newegg links. I will probably go with the case and power supply.

Az0r, so the GPU memory usage is heavy. I don't think that will go down, even with optimization after Beta.

I wonder if I should spend more and get a moBo that can handle Cross fire, or just call it good and assume this machine will be good for 4 years and then just update then. My sense is call it good since Cross fire needs support in the application and or the driver OC issues are unknown, at least for me. If those two things are true, then for sure, skip the Xcross fire support even though the GPU memory will be 75% used from the start.

I was thinking about posting in a hardware forum and just saying the Crysys 3 engine, but this is better.

Thanks!

Actually having 2x2GB video cards doesn't give you 4GB to work with because both cards load the same textures, leaving you basically back where you started in terms of memory. In general dual card setups are more trouble than they are worth. Between driver issues, game compatibility, stability, microstutter and just the extra heat, power and money they require, it's just not worth it. The card Vulpes linked will keep you going for a good 3-4 years. Which brings me to:

Vulpesveritas, on 27 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

The GPU I recommended it Talahi LE which is faster than the OC'd 7870's and is just behind the 7950. It's $30 for 10% higher performance and a smaller card than the IceQ. (though the IceQ is a great card, it's just not as good of a grab IMO)

Hah after doing some research it seems you are quite correct. My appologies, I just assumed they were a re-brand+price hike like the GHZ edition cards.

Edited by Az0r, 28 January 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[Luto]

Hi Guys, Thanks for all the help. I thought I would follow up with what I finally ordered on Feb 28th.

But first let me say that I am using an i5 3220 with HD4000. Turned off the throttling, max 3D on performance and 16 Gb ram. Turns out I can get 30-35 FPS and then 23-27 fps during game play and down to 11-16 during intense play. Needless to say the low end is a problem, but it is still playable. This gets worse after 3-4 games and I need to restart.

So here is what I got

I5 K version ( I decided that some overclocking would be good because of the GPU I got)
nVidia 660 stock OCed with 3 GB of Gddr5
Gold 80 Plus power 520Watt
Some Asus Z77 MoBo LE I think (because it was120.00 with free crappy 8Gb ram)

I got Win 7pro and an old Intel 510 SSD.

I wanted to future proof the machine somewhat. Vulpes said the game uses 1.6 Gb of GPU ram. That could explain why my Laptop does so well. It has 2 GB allocated. 1.6 Gb is 80% usage on a 2 BG card. That is too high for starting off. On the otherhand, 1.6 Gb on 3 Gb is more like 52%. I like the notion of 3 Gb GPU and 8-16 GB for CPU.

Cheers, and Thanks again,
Luto

[Silpher K]

i know im too late in the game already hahaha, but no reason to get dual cores for a gaming machine anymore, quad or more is the way to go, even if a game itself isn't yet optimized for quad or more, you need to leave some available threads for everything else that's running in the background, so it wont have to fight over the cpu for you game.

16gb ram is overkill. (i say that but i have 16 myself, LOL)

while this game IS very cpu intensive, i have to say that, most people (with pre-built systems, not custom) dont realize their weak link is their gpu, and their cpu grossly overpowers their gpu for gaming in contrast. and as far as vram goes, the more the better, but keep in mind you gpu might not have enough horse power to give you any playable performance when using that much vram anyways. so key here, is a balanced system.

[v4skunk]

7870

Vulpesveritas, on 27 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

The GPU I recommended it Talahi LE which is faster than the OC'd 7870's and is just behind the 7950. It's $30 for 10% higher performance and a smaller card than the IceQ. (though the IceQ is a great card, it's just not as good of a grab IMO)

7870 Tahiti LE is just behind 7950 that is clocked at 800mhz. Most new high quality brand 7950 are using 7970 pcb and clocked @960mhz standard(MSI TF3 is for sure).
I do agree that 7870 LE is a cracking card for the price.