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[Bguk]

Ilwrath, on 29 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Well if I was in a premade, brutally stomping pubs, I would feel kinda ashamed if I found out that there was brand new first-time players among them. Actually, premades should feel shame when they avoid the 8 man que all the time.

You are right about the best to not say anything if you cannot be positive though.

Everyone is different and some people are ********, most thank god are not. Glad to know you fall into the most category.

As for the "premades should feel shame when they avoid the 8 man que all the time" drivel, I am going to assume you're talking about the 4 man sync droppers. If that is the case, then state 4 mans instead of premades. If it is any premade, you miss out on the point of playing with friends or clan mates. Not everyone can be on all the time.

[Zatharus Mathew deTora]

Vlad Ward, on 28 January 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

If you want to see bitter, you should see the Corps who refuse to do 8-mans because killing Atlases is hard.

>killing Atlases is hard.
>killing Atlases is hard.

Wat.

Who honestly says this?

[Joseph Mallan]

Ilwrath, on 29 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Well if I was in a premade, brutally stomping pubs, I would feel kinda ashamed if I found out that there was brand new first-time players among them. Actually, premades should feel shame when they avoid the 8 man que all the time.

You are right about the best to not say anything if you cannot be positive though.

I look at it like this, its a combat game. once I get into the game, I am looking to end it with a victory for my team. I was new at one point. i did not expect anyone to 'take it easy' on me. I did expect them to be willing to answer a question if i had one, and when I did ask I did get answers.

[Havyek]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 January 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

I look at it like this, its a combat game. once I get into the game, I am looking to end it with a victory for my team. I was new at one point. i did not expect anyone to 'take it easy' on me. I did expect them to be willing to answer a question if i had one, and when I did ask I did get answers.

BINGO!

New players now seem to demand that the game be dumbed down so that they can understand it, instead of asking the questions that will allow them to get better.

I'm not going to go easy on someone because they're lazy.

If someone asks a valid question in chat, I'll try and give the best answer I can. If they ask a stupid question (like why didn't blah blah stay to the TT) I'll give them the answer that the question deserves.

[Serapth]

BDU Havoc, on 29 January 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

BINGO!

New players now seem to demand that the game be dumbed down so that they can understand it, instead of asking the questions that will allow them to get better.

I'm not going to go easy on someone because they're lazy.

If someone asks a valid question in chat, I'll try and give the best answer I can. If they ask a stupid question (like why didn't blah blah stay to the TT) I'll give them the answer that the question deserves.

How is balancing premades, or splitting premades in their own queue "dumbing down" the game.

The dumbing down of the game is giving a segment of the population an easy mode, while the "hardcore" 8man mode sits completely empty. I would think the "hardcore war simulator" crowd would want the game to have... you know, challenge.

Haha, yeah right.

[Adrienne Vorton]

Darth Will, on 28 January 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

How do you determine if you have premades in the round?

even if it´s not a 100% accurate indication, because there really is none... most likely the 4 guys who don´t rush across the ridge to be the first to die are weither a premade or just smart

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 29 January 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[Kunae]

[Bguk]

Kunae, on 29 January 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

Hah!

Yes, I liked it because it's funny. Humor. It's awesome.

[Decadre]

I remember reading during the closed beta that pre-mades also tend to drop on the same side of the map. During the time when I would join pre-mades on TS, I always dropped on the sides of the map that were alluded to being the premade side. Has this changed?

IIRC
Caustic Map was/is the side with the foundry
The Forest Colony map was/is the spawn next to the water.
River City is the side with the oil tanks right next to the water.
Frozen City I don't remember as well, but I think it was/is the spawn area in the dead end side of the map.

Now, from my PUGing experience as of late, it does seem to me that if I don't spawn in these areas I am in for a butt whopping, and if I manage to get in on "the premade drop areas" that I end up having a good match with a typical win.

Edited by Decadre, 29 January 2013 - 08:40 AM.

[Solis Obscuri]

Tarman, on 29 January 2013 - 03:16 AM, said:

And you wonder why some pugs think some preemies are jerks. >________>

Sarcasm translates poorly sometimes.

[Joseph Mallan]

Serapth, on 29 January 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

How is balancing premades, or splitting premades in their own queue "dumbing down" the game.

The dumbing down of the game is giving a segment of the population an easy mode, while the "hardcore" 8man mode sits completely empty. I would think the "hardcore war simulator" crowd would want the game to have... you know, challenge.

Haha, yeah right.

It is taking away a challenging portion of the game. While I PUGged in Closed Beta & I read these same threads i Said the same thing I am now.

"When I lose I just met the Blue Star Irregulars, Wolf's Dragoons or The Eridani Light Horse.They were better than us. This Time!"

Anything else is "dumbing down" the game. If I lose to say... The Death's Hand Brigade 12-20 times So what? They were better that I was. But once I start beating them I have become as good as they are... Now to go beat on Skjaldborg, till I learn how to beat them!

[Loxx]

Kommisar, on 28 January 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

Lots of LRMs... problably Premade.

Greyfyl, on 28 January 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

When you see a team with 3 lrms boats and an ecm spotter with TAG, .

BDU Havoc, on 28 January 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

I run LRMs a lot in PUGs because then I can at least usually rack up a good deal of damage whether we win or lose.

5 LRM15s + TAG brings hurt, even if it's only around for a few minutes.

I don't know of one pre-made group that runs LRM's since they add virtually nothing to a coordinated fight due to how easily they are defeated (terrain, ECM, Speed).

Normally this is PUG trying to separate themselves from getting stomped. So they sit in back of the group and wait for someone to find a target then proceed to mash the snot out of their mouse key until the target dissappears. LRM boats are nothing more then self preservation while hanging your team out to dry.

So if you see 3 LRM or more LRM boats, it's probably NOT a pre-made.

Hotthedd, on 28 January 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

If you run across a TAG scout with 2 or 3 LRM boats, then it is most likely a premade.

Vlad Ward, on 28 January 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Randomly matching 3-4 good PUGs together works out almost entirely the same as running across a 4-man in the PUG queue.

As the number of good PUGs rises (which it does over time), so (ironically) does the perception of the number of premades.

End result? Pugs beating on Pugs complaining about other Pugs. The only premades you see in the 4-man queue these days fall into 1 of 2 categories:

1) Good premade players who don't have a full 8 in their TS3 roster and are just dicking around, usually grinding XP or c-bills for Mechs they don't use much. These typically don't even bother calling targets or coordinating between themselves. I know my personal strategy in 4-mans is "Throttle forward and shoot anything that moves".

2) Bad premade players who aren't cut out for the 8v8 queue and take out their frustration on PUGs. While this situation best represents the community-painted picture of "Premades", it's important to realize that these players are generally really bad, so their overall advantage over PUGs is minimal. On top of that, these types generally hate anything they consider "Cheese", since that's clearly the only thing that can beat them in the 8v8 queue, so they're not actually running many RVN-3Ls or AS7-D-DCs.

^^ this, ^^ Is a great explaination.

[Bguk]

Loxx, on 29 January 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

I don't know of one pre-made group that runs LRM's since they add virtually nothing to a coordinated fight due to how easily they are defeated (terrain, ECM, Speed).

Now you know one. You should try it, they're Awesome. Oh crap, I gave part of it away!!

[Particle Man]

Tarman, on 29 January 2013 - 03:16 AM, said:

And you wonder why some pugs think some preemies are jerks. >________>

no one wonders that.

Edited by Particle Man, 29 January 2013 - 12:33 PM.

[Havyek]

Serapth, on 29 January 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

How is balancing premades, or splitting premades in their own queue "dumbing down" the game.

The dumbing down of the game is giving a segment of the population an easy mode, while the "hardcore" 8man mode sits completely empty. I would think the "hardcore war simulator" crowd would want the game to have... you know, challenge.

Haha, yeah right.

It dumbs down the game because it takes focus away from team play.

New player A comes in wanders around getting a feel for the controls.

He dies quickly and brutally.

Next match he's got a better feel, runs up to the ridge in Frozen City. Sees 3 'Mechs, takes aim at the Atlas because it's big and scares him, BOOM he dies. Types "WTF?? How did I die so quickly?" in all chat. Premade says "we all called you as a target on TS3".
New guys A asks "What's TS3?". Premade answers that TS3 is a voice communication service that lets them quickly talk to each other which allows them to communicate in the match better.
New guy A asks for address of TS3 download and server address, jumps on, has a better time, learns more quickly, even makes a few friends that could lead to a organized group if he so decides.


New guy B comes in wanders around getting a feel for the controls.

He dies quickly and brutally.

Next match he's got a better feel, runs up to the ridge in Frozen City. Sees 3 'Mechs, takes aim at the Atlas because it's big and scares him, BOOM he dies. Types "WTF?? How did I die so quickly?" in all chat. Premade says "we all called you as a target on TS3".
New guys B asks "What's TS3?". Premade answers that TS3 is a voice communication service that lets them quickly talk to each other which allows them to communicate in the match better.

New guy B proceeds to bltch and complain that TS3 is cheating, the game sucks, the matching of the game sucks, there shouldn't be co-ordinated groups playing against him because he's played CoD before and knows how to play a video game and this is no different than WOT blah blah blah blah blah.


Notice a difference?

[Karl Marlow]

Detecting premades is easy guys. Look at the screens in your cockpit. IT will tell you if there are any "premade" signals coming from the other team.

[wolf74]

The other night I was pugging in my commando. As I saw the enemy I typed it out. To my !shock! Others on my team started to pass info on the enemy location weapon layout and weak armor points. The game ended 8-2 our side with my commando (without ecm) still alive.

Due to the fact the other pug type back we could have been mistaken for a permade(no voice comm and my end at lest).

Edited by wolf74, 29 January 2013 - 01:39 PM.

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Greyfyl, on 28 January 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

Asking works to a point, but many won't admit it now, and obviously like the above poster mentioned, they could just lie to you.

If you ever see me in match, chances are I am in a group. Ask me and I will admit it, too.
If I am not in a group, its either because I am testing a funky build, or I tried to synch drop and missed.

*Ain't Skeered*