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[ShadowThunder77]

i barely play anymore cause its not as fun since ECM came along.

[Locan Ravok]

I don't think ECM is OP. This is why I only play ECM carrying mechs. :-(

[Teralitha]

Locan Ravok, on 14 February 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

I don't think ECM is OP. This is why I only play ECM carrying mechs. :-(

Funny story.


People are always saying its not OP that its fine, but cant seem to give any reasonable explainations as to why they have this opinion.

Edited by Teralitha, 14 February 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[Codejack]

Teralitha, on 14 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Funny story.


People are always saying its not OP that its fine, but cant seem to give any reasonable explainations as to why they have this opinion.

I bet if they were forced to play against other premades instead of PUGstomping they'd have a different attitude.

[Teralitha]

DocBach, on 14 February 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

There's only 800 voters so far, its way too small of a percentage to base how the community feels about ECM, which as we all know is completely fair and balanced.

The votes are still coming in. And hate to break ti to you... but the more people vote, the higher the count against ECM. We can safely assume that all the people who have already quit playing becuase of ECM wont be here to vote either.

[Codejack]

Teralitha, on 14 February 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

The votes are still coming in. And hate to break ti to you... but the more people vote, the higher the count against ECM. We can safely assume that all the people who have already quit playing becuase of ECM wont be here to vote either.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic

800 is similar to how many people they poll for national elections; the sample size is plenty large enough.

Edited by Codejack, 14 February 2013 - 12:00 PM.

[Codejack]

Oh, and this is what happens if you ask a perfectly relevant question about ECM:

http://mwomercs.com/...to-paul-inouye/

They lie to you and lock the thread.

[StalaggtIKE]

Codejack, on 14 February 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

I bet if they were forced to play against other premades instead of PUGstomping they'd have a different attitude.

They will, once MM phase 3 is here. I expect an influx of players jumping on the "OP ECM" bandwagon. Or rather a bunch of new ECM pilots. Either way will prove our point.

[Codejack]

StalaggtIKE, on 14 February 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

They will, once MM phase 3 is here. I expect an influx of players jumping on the "OP ECM" bandwagon. Or rather a bunch of new ECM pilots. Either way will prove our point.

Lol, this poll didn't pretty much already prove it?

What about this one? http://mwomercs.com/...-communication/

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Does the inclusion of ECM make MWO more fun overall?

• Yes (60 votes [20.91%] - View)
  
• No (227 votes [79.09%] - View)
  

We've won, we're just waiting for PGI to notice.

[Garth Erlam]

Notice what? Any negative poll will receive more votes - people don't leave the game to come on the forums to tell us they don't mind a feature. Why would they?

[Codejack]

Garth Erlam, on 14 February 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

Notice what? Any negative poll will receive more votes - people don't leave the game to come on the forums to tell us they don't mind a feature. Why would they?

LMAO! You just keep telling yourself that.


More people simply stop patronizing businesses that fail to meet their standards than complain. In customer service in general, the rule of thumb is that for every complaint you receive, there are 10 others whose business you lost for the same reason.

Edited by Codejack, 14 February 2013 - 12:35 PM.

[Livewyr]

Codejack, on 14 February 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Any other contorted logic you want to throw out here, Garth?

Here, I'll match you: More people simply stop patronizing businesses that fail to meet their standards than complain. In customer service in general, the rule of thumb is that for every complaint you receive, there are 10 others whose business you lost for the same reason.

I see your (baseless) assertion and raise you another!

"For every person you see complaining about a product, 1000 others are using it effectively contently."

[Codejack]

Livewyr, on 14 February 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

I see your (baseless) assertion and raise you another!

"For every person you see complaining about a product, 1000 others are using it effectively contently."

That was pretty much my point; the only valid data is the data you actually have.

[Solomon Ward]

Codejack on a code of conduct violation spree.

[Livewyr]

I was simply giving you another "Rule of thumb"

Communicative apathy is the norm.. to communicate with a business or seller about a product is rare comparatively.
(Or a forum of public opinion in this case.)


(I would like to point out that there are many negative poll backfires out there...)

[Jello2142]

Codejack, on 14 February 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

LMAO! You just keep telling yourself that.


More people simply stop patronizing businesses that fail to meet their standards than complain. In customer service in general, the rule of thumb is that for every complaint you receive, there are 10 others whose business you lost for the same reason.

Customer service/Business 101 right there! You don't need a six sigma to figure that one out.

As for why would people complain after leaving. Here Garth let me give you an example.

1)SWG. I played this game for a while they made some poor decisions that made the game less fun for me so I canceled and left my feedback on their forums on multiple occasions. I knew for a fact I was not the only one who left for the same reasons however I felt that if they could turn things around I would come back and maybe everyone else would as well.

2)PS2. Man I was hard core for this game but recently stopped playing this and I still frequent their forums. Mind you I don't post as much in the lines of complaints because I officially uninstalled a couple weeks ago.

Quit being so presumptuous that people are just complaining for complaints sake.

[Livewyr]

Jello2142, on 14 February 2013 - 12:42 PM, said:

Customer service/Business 101 right there! You don't need a six sigma to figure that one out.

As for why would people complain after leaving. Here Garth let me give you an example.

1)SWG. I played this game for a while they made some poor decisions that made the game less fun for me so I canceled and left my feedback on their forums on multiple occasions. I knew for a fact I was not the only one who left for the same reasons however I felt that if they could turn things around I would come back and maybe everyone else would as well.

2)PS2. Man I was hard core for this game but recently stopped playing this and I still frequent their forums. Mind you I don't post as much in the lines of complaints because I officially uninstalled a couple weeks ago.

Quit being so presumptuous that people are just complaining for complaints sake.

I see your personal experience- and raise my own!

World of Warcraft: I played vanilla, BC, WotLK, and Cata. I decided that MOP was going to be a waste of my time because of the features they put in (specifically the talent trees) and quietly cancelled my subscription a year ago.. have not been back.
World ot Tanks: Played it for a long time, had a presence in the forums including lots of "wtf" posts and when I got into the MWO closed beta.. I quietly left. (WoT still has the "Critical Hit- No damage" Mechanic supported by their ever present "Working as intended"­™)
DDO: Had a bigger presence in there.. spent some money had some fun, but as I got higher levels it started getting harder to get a group unless you were in a guild.. and that was pretty much nepotism. The game had no way of allowing you to continue in smaller groups. I quietly left.

There are more.. but I think I've made my point.

[Nightcrept]

@codejackPlease stop attacking garth every time he says something. most of us would prefer a actually engaged intelligent conversation were we could explain ourselves then for you to chase him away with pitch forks.

Garth Erlam, on 14 February 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

Notice what? Any negative poll will receive more votes - people don't leave the game to come on the forums to tell us they don't mind a feature. Why would they?

Hey Garth.Ecm as it is has made the game less fun for most of us. Some have quit and some like me have stayed around but are having less fun in game. All of us though who find that ecm in its current form makes the game less fun are still around waiting and hoping that it will be properly counter balanced. If ecm is here to stay as is then just let us know. That way we can move on to other interests and all the ecm hate can go away. It's the limbo of not knowing that is the worst. The constant hope that this patch will fix ecm.

[Abivard]

Complaint ratios about customer service compared to complaint ratios about beta game play do not correlate.

in Beta/games Almost all complainers will post, Praise for features are posted by less than 5% of players.

[StalaggtIKE]

Codejack, on 14 February 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

In customer service in general, the rule of thumb is that for every complaint you receive, there are 10 others whose business you lost for the same reason.

As much as I've heard that being beat into people's head, I would doubt it's far from the truth.