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[KyBr2K]

Don't panic. Dismantle ears. Collect tears.

If you are ambushed by one in an assault after the heat override buff:

Don't panic. Override. Dismantle Cat. Collect tears.


Seriously, it's a noob crutch. Great melee range punch, but ten million (give or take) disadvantages in return.

[Dagger6T6]

Kobold, on 01 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Really? You don't think the problem is the weapons? Then why aren't people complaining about C1 or C4 cats?

because people are too busy complaining about ECM and A1s... remove A1s then guess what is next on the list C4 probably... maybe we should shift to Stalkers carrying 5 SRM6 and 4 med lasers... that mech will seriously ruin your day, no one is crying about that one... YET

maybe i should start a poll because that is one mean Stalker... if it pointed right at you.

[LaserAngel]

Dimento Graven, on 01 February 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

Not sure the point here, but if a bunch of these people were posting under their real names, do you really think it'd be so full of vitriol and malice?

Real names? I have a user name that will always follow me, even to haunt me, and I'm even an Elite Founder. How would my REAL NAME be any better if I'm always going to be LaserAngel here? And in all honesty, I've found anonymous discussion of this game to be more constructive.

I almost run my Founder's Catapult C1 exclusively and the torso twist on that thing is insane. It's to the point where I think it should be toned down to Jenner/Cicada levels.

I would be more concerned about a new free player crying that they don't want their exortwist Catapult touched. Even so, I don't want people to be required to throw down post count/dollar spent credentials in order to have their opinions or concerns be taken as valid.

Kobold, on 01 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Really? You don't think the problem is the weapons? Then why aren't people complaining about C1 or C4 cats?

The C1 is probably the most balanced out of them all. The C4 can TAG and fire off dual LRM 20s. An LRM A1 is near useless in this ECM world.

[Ralziel]

I pilot one, and while they're good, they do have flaws. They're a big target and everything is concentrated. Not quite as bad as a stalker, but still, if a couple hit you from one side, you'll go down quick. But this works the other way too. Makes them easier to take down.
As for the whole debate on what weapons it can mount, they are limited by ammo, so just keep out of their face and change direction alot to put the pilot out of line. There's nothing wrong with them at all. Next we'll see people complaining how an atlas can mount more weapons so it's too powerful compared to everything

[MaddMaxx]

The A1 is an original MWO Chassis. The "playa's" been dealing with that ******* like forevva. LOL

[Irvine]

StalaggtIKE, on 01 February 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

No. I haven't met a good A1 that could carry TAG.
L2Read.

I had already pointed out that the A1 is inferior to the C1/C4. YOU LEARN TO READ

[Dimento Graven]

LaserAngel, on 01 February 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

Real names? I have a user name that will always follow me, even to haunt me, and I'm even an Elite Founder. How would my REAL NAME be any better if I'm always going to be LaserAngel here? And in all honesty, I've found anonymous discussion of this game to be more constructive.

Well, google it. Studies have shown people are less likely to be such flaming ******** if their on-line conduct can get tied back to them.

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I almost run my Founder's Catapult C1 exclusively and the torso twist on that thing is insane. It's to the point where I think it should be toned down to Jenner/Cicada levels.

You THINK it should be toned down. I disagree, in fact, I'm pretty sure the torse twisting capabilities nearly matches that documented in lore, I'd have to look it up though, maybe I will later.

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I would be more concerned about a new free player crying that they don't want their exortwist Catapult touched. Even so, I don't want people to be required to throw down post count/dollar spent credentials in order to have their opinions or concerns be taken as valid.

I'm an old, paid player that doesn't think it should be messed with either.

[CarnifexMaximus]

I share in the opinion that A1 6x6ers are for sure frustrating opponents.
I am saying this as nicely as I can.

I have had them get the drop on me a few times and rip me to pieces in nothing flat.

But I don't think the A1 is op or even cheap (maybe, jurry is still out)

Just like the streak cats of old (kinda an endangered species post ECM) I just figure I will learn to overcome.

[Cerlin]

It has huge disadvantages if it has all srms 6's. Heat, less armor, smaller engine, etc. And it has a range of less than 100 m and can have its "arms" shot off easy enough from range and focus fire. So yeah people should learn to kill it first and practice the game (learn to play ).

[LaserAngel]

Dimento Graven, on 01 February 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Well, google it. Studies have shown people are less likely to be such flaming ******** if their on-line conduct can get tied back to them.

There is a rather funny comic about it too. I'm quite aware but I don't see anonymous by my posts but my username that I registered and above and beyond paid.

Dimento Graven, on 01 February 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

You THINK it should be toned down. I disagree, in fact, I'm pretty sure the torse twisting capabilities nearly matches that documented in lore, I'd have to look it up though, maybe I will later.

I find that very unlikely given its fire support nature. Direct or indirect. This is the first time in game that I recall it being the owl that it is.

Dimento Graven, on 01 February 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

I'm an old, paid player that doesn't think it should be messed with either.

It might have gone over your head that someone might be people might be using alternate accounts and don't want people to touch their precious Catapult. It's so good that people don't want it touched. 280 degrees of Alpha Strike power is excessive. Afterward you're told to learn to play or go back to mindless twitch FPS. It gets tiresome and believe me, I'll be happy to bring it up again that it needs a nerf.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

KyBr2K, on 01 February 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

Don't panic. Dismantle ears. Collect tears.
If you are ambushed by one in an assault after the heat override buff:
Don't panic. Override. Dismantle Cat. Collect tears.
Seriously, it's a noob crutch. Great melee range punch, but ten million (give or take) disadvantages in return.

Cerlin, on 01 February 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

It has huge disadvantages if it has all srms 6's. Heat, less armor, smaller engine, etc. And it has a range of less than 100 m and can have its "arms" shot off easy enough from range and focus fire. So yeah people should learn to kill it first and practice the game (learn to play ).

This probably the worst advice. By the time you have taken off both "ears" you have done enough damage to core their Center Torso (or side torso since they all run XL). Rather than have a disarmed Catapult run back to your base to cap you. Even taking out a leg is a better option since the resulting ammo explosion has a good chance to take out a torso, and even if it doesn't you have taken away all their speed.

I am convinced that players piloting SRM A1 Cats perpetuate the myth that taking out the arms is a viable strategy. Partially to deflect nerf-herders and partially to disseminate false information. The only other explanation is the L2P crowd needs heed their own advice.

[Praehotec8]

LaserAngel, on 01 February 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

It's so good that people don't want it touched. 280 degrees of Alpha Strike power is excessive. Afterward you're told to learn to play or go back to mindless twitch FPS. It gets tiresome and believe me, I'll be happy to bring it up again that it needs a nerf.

It's a good chassis, but even the SRM-6 doesn't seem overpowered. Specialized yes, OP, no. Have you piloted one? I tried making mine an SRM-6 cat, but felt too limited and constrained to close quickly. Perhaps my playstyle isn't quite right for it, but I felt that I got killed more quickly in one, rather than when running a more balanced loadout. Besides, what nerf can you give to the chassis that wouldn't make it useless or inferior to other mechs, specifically the C1/4 cats? The biggest problem right now is that running LRMs with an A-1 is difficult since you can't carry a TAG. It's already BEEN nerfed, hence the current issue arose.

[LaserAngel]

Praehotec8, on 01 February 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

It's a good chassis, but even the SRM-6 doesn't seem overpowered. Specialized yes, OP, no. Have you piloted one? I tried making mine an SRM-6 cat, but felt too limited and constrained to close quickly. Perhaps my playstyle isn't quite right for it, but I felt that I got killed more quickly in one, rather than when running a more balanced loadout. Besides, what nerf can you give to the chassis that wouldn't make it useless or inferior to other mechs, specifically the C1/4 cats? The biggest problem right now is that running LRMs with an A-1 is difficult since you can't carry a TAG. It's already BEEN nerfed, hence the current issue arose.

270m is optimum range for the current state of the game. The medium laser is a hair better since you can reach out farther. I've had my teammates destroy half the enemy team in their Catapult A1s and I've seen terrible pilots on the other side too.

My first time out in a SRM Catapult C4 was +600 damage and 3 kills. I should have kept her since she was capable of ALRM 40 and looked great in black.

Believe me, I'm glad to run a LRM C1 and hit those SRMcats at 500m with my LRMs before they have a chance to engage ME or to help my brawlers out that are tanking that 90 damage alpha strike that doesn't need to move its legs to fire and suffers little from carrying a XL engine.

Edited by LaserAngel, 01 February 2013 - 01:10 PM.

[Corrado]

well always the same story. some players are too lazy to learn how to deal with a specialized build (like 6xSRM6, 4-6PPC boats...)

yes is easier to make a poll on a forum rather than the challenge to deal with the threat.

[KyBr2K]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 01 February 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

This probably the worst advice. By the time you have taken off both "ears" you have done enough damage to core their Center Torso (or side torso since they all run XL).

Depends what you're piloting when you see an A1. If I pilot something fast, like a dragon which doesn't have the biggest amount of firepower in the universe, I will try to keep my distance and shoot the ears off. It's a bit easier to do than shooting their leg off on the move. (I'm not the best shot btw. Decent, but no where near Quake3 skill type.)

If I pilot something nasty like a Stalker 3F, I won't bother aiming for the ears and just core the Cat instead.

It really depends on many factors in the heat of the moment.

I fail to see how this is bad advice? ( Although my last post may have seemed elitist or "L2P"-crowd-y, it was made in good humour. )

Also, I don't pilot Catapults. Never was a huge fan of the chassis tbh. And I still stand by that the A1 chassis is a noob crutch

[Cataphract]

You cant say jumpjets are a pro for the A1 since jumpjets are absolute garbage wastes of tonnage on anything other than a Spider. I use an A1 SRM boat and they are far from OP. Any team that cant to the 60 damage needed to destroy one arm on an A1 or simply focus fire on it deserves whats coming. Its no different than any other mech that boats. You sacrifice all of one thing to pull off another. In this case range as SRMs have wacky spread and dont do reliable damage due to a bug.

Edited by Cataphract, 01 February 2013 - 01:39 PM.

[Mercules]

Big Square easy to hit ear....

or....

Big round torso that may or may not be side/head?

I shoot at the ear because I can shoot it even through a Torso twist and continue to hit it. The CT is a bit harder to keep a good solid lock on. Something like AC 10s/PPC/Gauss/AC 20s sure, slam that solid damage to the CT. Lasers? Easier to hit and track the ears.

[Apnu]

(deleted my post because it was stupid)

Edited by Apnu, 01 February 2013 - 01:50 PM.

[Errant Variable]

I like my A1. It's a big hammer, it's not that easy to use against coordinated teams, and I dust it off primarily when I get tired of being SSRMed by 3Ls and 2Ds - a greater purpose, if you will.

[Hopdevil]

The only reason I pilot this mech is to get my other cats elited. Other than that I would sell it. Try driving it sometime than comeback nd post about it. Jump jets are meh, gives me a bigger thrill knocking it out of the sky .