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[MustrumRidcully]

Rauchsauger, on 06 February 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Oh really captain obvious?
Also it does not change the issue that most complainers just want the game tailored to their specific needs and create false pretense for it to happen. And sadly it has happened to other games and it happens all over.

Is there actually a legitmate form of complains, or do they all boil down to whining? Is it actually impossible for something to be overpowered or underpowered. Is it actually impossible for something to be too expensive, annoying bugs to exist?

Were 90° angle ARTEMIS LRMs with 2.0 damage per missile well balanced? Was the PPC producing 30 heat over 10 seconds appropriately powerful? Are Yellow-Screen bugs okay? Is lag shield something that is needed to balance Light vs other mechs?

[Rauchsauger]

Elder Thorn, on 06 February 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

got ya:

I had to sum it up somehow didnt I? Also not my words but a citation.

Elder Thorn, on 06 February 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

that's what i am talking about, there ARE posts about it, and they are good. Also some posts about bugs are good and necessary. No beta if there are no threads about bugs, those threads complaining about and reporting bugs are the last thing that keep the ilusion of beta testint up here

Hehe BETA would require something nearing a RC o_O but thats another story.
Problem is that factual posts concerning issues are getting bogged down by opinion (not that bad everyone is entitled to it) and false pretense - and that is my point/problem the most vocal are those that want something changed for their benefit and not for the benefit of everyone. Also the majority of players do not participate in the forums since they are contend. They should build surveys about questionable or controverse design elements ingame and give a small amount of Cbills or a weapon as incentive for participation

[Rauchsauger]

MustrumRidcully, on 06 February 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

Is there actually a legitmate form of complains, or do they all boil down to whining? Is it actually impossible for something to be overpowered or underpowered. Is it actually impossible for something to be too expensive, annoying bugs to exist?

Were 90° angle ARTEMIS LRMs with 2.0 damage per missile well balanced? Was the PPC producing 30 heat over 10 seconds appropriately powerful? Are Yellow-Screen bugs okay? Is lag shield something that is needed to balance Light vs other mechs?

What do techical issues have to do with game balance?
Also yes when repair and rearm was still in the game Energy weapons had to have serious drawbacks.
Constructive criticism is some different animal than whats mostly happening here atm

[MustrumRidcully]

Rauchsauger, on 06 February 2013 - 02:59 AM, said:

What do techical issues have to do with game balance?
Also yes when repair and rearm was still in the game Energy weapons had to have serious drawbacks.
Constructive criticism is some different animal than whats mostly happening here atm

Constructive Criticism is great when you can get it. But sometimes, the whining alone already tells you the story that something is wrong. The "whining" may not be precise enough to figure out all the inner workings of why something is off, but you see that someone is not happy with it. In the end, it's the community team's job and the dev team's job to filter out the helpful critique and the unhelpful one.

If they wanted beta testers that always provide constructive criticism, they should have hired them. (They probably have, too, but they also got us.)

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 06 February 2013 - 03:08 AM.

[Thirdstar]

'Game X was ruined because people who I don't like whined and changed it' - is one of the worst possible fallacious arguments on the internet. This argument is made often, it is never accurate.

You sir fail. I award you no points and may the FSM have mercy on your soul.

[Rauchsauger]

Thirdstar, on 06 February 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

'Game X was ruined because people who I don't like whined and changed it' - is one of the worst possible fallacious arguments on the internet. This argument is made often, it is never accurate.

You sir fail. I award you no points and may the FSM have mercy on your soul.

Please citate where i made that claim or just shut up

MustrumRidcully, on 06 February 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

Constructive Criticism is great when you can get it. But sometimes, the whining alone already tells you the story that something is wrong. The "whining" may not be precise enough to figure out all the inner workings of why something is off, but you see that someone is not happy with it. In the end, it's the community team's job and the dev team's job to filter out the helpful critique and the unhelpful one.

If they wanted beta testers that always provide constructive criticism, they should have hired them. (They probably have, too, but they also got us.)

Like i said earlier as long as they dont incoporate surveys ingame the feedback will always been poisoned.

[Thirdstar]

Rauchsauger, on 06 February 2013 - 03:17 AM, said:

Please citate where i made that claim or just shut up

"I did mean that more general. I noticed ist for the first when left 4 dead came out.
The whiners basically made a different game when they where done.
(Granted Valve was stupid enough to adress their problems)

Im not saying that issues should be adressed but the people here on the forums seem not to represent the majority (from what I can figure based on the people i play with)"

and

"There are working counters to every build in my opinion so if you insist to stick to your build
instead of adapting you just want to keep all the benefits (OPness) of your build at the expense of others."

and

"................and clearly only follow their own agenda is feedback and needs to be heard in case the devs start catering toward those people"

You should see a doctor about your short term memory issues. No, seriously.

Edit: 'Citate' is not a word. It's just Cite. And now you can say you've learned something on the forums. Isn't that nice?

I R EDUMACATING HERE!!!

Edited by Thirdstar, 06 February 2013 - 03:25 AM.

[Rauchsauger]

Thirdstar, on 06 February 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

"I did mean that more general. I noticed ist for the first when left 4 dead came out.
The whiners basically made a different game when they where done.
(Granted Valve was stupid enough to adress their problems)

Im not saying that issues should be adressed but the people here on the forums seem not to represent the majority (from what I can figure based on the people i play with)"

and

"There are working counters to every build in my opinion so if you insist to stick to your build
instead of adapting you just want to keep all the benefits (OPness) of your build at the expense of others."

and

"................and clearly only follow their own agenda is feedback and needs to be heard in case the devs start catering toward those people"

You should see a doctor about your short term memory issues. No, seriously.

Edit: 'Citate' is not a word. It's just Cite. And now you can say you've learned something on the forums. Isn't that nice?

I R EDUMACATING HERE!!!

I fail to see where i stated x ruined game y ... All i said is that they made a different game of left 4 dead which they did.
(Feel free to look Rauchsauger up in Steam and check the stats i clocked in l4d just in case you want to make up something else)

BTW its not my native language but im pretty sure its lowercase so if you want to correct someone and be the smartass do it right

Edited by Rauchsauger, 06 February 2013 - 03:44 AM.

[Thirdstar]

Rauchsauger, on 06 February 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

I fail to see where i stated x ruined game y ... All i said is that they made a different game of left 4 dead which they did.

[StonedVet]

not complaning but am a little concerened on the amount of cheap teams in 8man. We went in last night with an actual team made up of a wolfpack of mediums suported by LRM's and a couple assaults. Well we got in and it was a team of 2 ravens with ECM and 6 splat cats. LAME. next match was against a team with all PPC builds. We stopped the 8 man real quick because its lookin alot like Mechwarrior 4 multiplayer all over again.

[Rauchsauger]

Lowridah, on 06 February 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

not complaning but am a little concerened on the amount of cheap teams in 8man. We went in last night with an actual team made up of a wolfpack of mediums suported by LRM's and a couple assaults. Well we got in and it was a team of 2 ravens with ECM and 6 splat cats. LAME. next match was against a team with all PPC builds. We stopped the 8 man real quick because its lookin alot like Mechwarrior 4 multiplayer all over again.

Only fix for that would be the matchmaker also taking in account armament. But then you could just scrap customization.
Just keep them srm cats at range and cuddle the ppc folks

[kiltymonroe]

ITT pubbies get mad about getting called out on their whining.

[Thirdstar]

kiltymonroe, on 06 February 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

ITT pubbies get mad about getting called out on their whining.

You're so adorable.

[Critical Fumble]

Thirdstar, on 06 February 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

You're so adorable.

I know! PGI'd make a killing if they started selling condescending elitist plushies.

[Shozen]

miSs, on 06 February 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Thread moved the the Far Country...

Send it back before it infects us all!

[Ryvucz]

w00t! New topic to post in.

[Agincourt]

I will not read this thread, however I might post in it

Agincourt, on 06 February 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

I will not read this thread, however I might post in it

wait no I've already posted

[Ter Ushaka]

Quick, don't post before it's too late!

[Mike Forst]

Agincourt, on 06 February 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

I will not read this thread, however I might post in it

Same

[Rannos]

Wow and they say WE ruin everything! AMIRITE?!!