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[Skadi]

Today ive taken note that any game ive been in, the pugs flip **** when they see anyone of the same faction icon, immediatly act like a pug stomp is upon them, and begin QQ'ing that premades shouldnt be allowed to drop with them...

When in reality they are using a VERY poor system to judge this, and it turned out we did have a premade, of 2 people, and they were marik an FRR, and the enemy team had a 4 man of 4 lonewolves.

Pugs need to stop fliping **** over anything that has a 1% chance of being a premade, ive honestly started dismissing any thread about "Premade pugstomp" because theres a high chance that they werent actualy fighting a premade...

[Thirdstar]

Really? did we need ANOTHER thread about this? Seriously. Good lord.




-1000 Internet points to you OP. Shame on you.

Edited by Thirdstar, 12 February 2013 - 09:06 PM.

[Pihb]

[B B Wolfe]

I have actually not seen this at all today. But sure.

[Bashars]

Skadi, on 12 February 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

ive honestly started dismissing any thread about "Premade pugstomp" because theres a high chance that they werent actualy fighting a premade...

So can I dismiss this one?

[Skadi]

Bashars, on 12 February 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

So can I dismiss this one?

This thread isnt about premade pugstomps themselves, but the legitamency of the claims of "pug stomps" when chances are they arnt even real premades.

Thirdstar, on 12 February 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

-1000 Internet points to you OP. Shame on you.

Dear god what shall i do without internet points....

Edited by Skadi, 12 February 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[Bren McGuire]

Pugs want a fair fight. It's not often that they get one. Don't be surprised by the hate because by definition, you should have a 1:1 ratio in fair fights whereas pugs have a much lower ratio due to pre-made teams who are effectively robbing pugs of fair fights, xp and c-bills.

[darkfall13]

You're just the man trying to keep us down!

(I actually couldn't give a rat's *** if I dropped against premades or not, what's the difference? pew pew will commence)

[Skadi]

Bren McGuire, on 12 February 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

Pugs want a fair fight. It's not often that they get one. Don't be surprised by the hate because by definition, you should have a 1:1 ratio in fair fights whereas pugs have a much lower ratio due to pre-made teams who are effectively robbing pugs of fair fights, xp and c-bills.

I understand they want fair fights, but honestly its not even funny when they get pissed off and start cussing me out because they think im part of a premade, JUST because another dude has a steiner emblem

My point is pugs need to stop going crazy just because they see someone with a similar emblem, its getting quite ********.

darkfall13, on 12 February 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

You're just the man trying to keep us down!

(I actually couldn't give a rat's *** if I dropped against premades or not, what's the difference? pew pew will commence)

See, this is the kind of pug i like...

Edited by Skadi, 12 February 2013 - 09:26 PM.

[Squigles]

My personal favorite, was dropping into a game as 8 LNW's.

Immediately berated and cursed by a member of the other team because we were a bunch of sync droping *****'s that should l2p and get in the 8 man queue. Why? Because we all had LNW tags.

Moral of the story. There are dimwitted tools everywhere....and not just necessarily on the PUG teams.

(As a note, there actually was a 3 man team, but the fool doing the complaining had no clue)

[TheMadPoet]

Skadi, on 12 February 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

Today ive taken note that any game ive been in, the pugs flip **** when they see anyone of the same faction icon, immediatly act like a pug stomp is upon them, and begin QQ'ing that premades shouldnt be allowed to drop with them...

When in reality they are using a VERY poor system to judge this, and it turned out we did have a premade, of 2 people, and they were marik an FRR, and the enemy team had a 4 man of 4 lonewolves.

Pugs need to stop fliping **** over anything that has a 1% chance of being a premade, ive honestly started dismissing any thread about "Premade pugstomp" because theres a high chance that they werent actualy fighting a premade...

Odd..tonight, in the many games I've played, I saw several opposing forces trash talking and saying things such as, "We are an 8 man premade, let the slaughter begin!" and the "ROFLPUGSTOMP commencing". The PUG teams that I've played on tonight have generally just shrugged off the taunting and the stomps.

So I guess experience differs.

[Skadi]

Just to say it again, this thread isnt trying say pugs dont deserve a fair fight (becuase aparently some of yall didnt read any of the thread and skipped to flaming), but rather they need to cool their ****. people are fizzing at the mouth of even the though of a small premade being in their pug matches, trust me i very much want our own premade matches where do dont haft to choose between 4 and 8 mans.

TheMadPoet, on 12 February 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Odd..tonight, in the many games I've played, I saw several opposing forces trash talking and saying things such as, "We are an 8 man premade, let the slaughter begin!" and the "ROFLPUGSTOMP commencing". The PUG teams that I've played on tonight have generally just shrugged off the taunting and the stomps.

So I guess experience differs.

Ran into this last night myself as a 4 man premade, theres a group in the public TS abusing the system by mass queue'ing and who ever gets in the match drops into a channel and runs 8 man.

The 8 man got rofl stomped though despite their efforts...

Edited by Skadi, 12 February 2013 - 09:30 PM.

[Thirdstar]

Please, just don't comment on this thread, nothing good will come of it.

OP thinks he's stumbled on some kind of awesome new factoid, he hasn't.

[Skadi]

Thirdstar, on 12 February 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

Please, just don't comment on this thread, nothing good will come of it.

OP thinks he's stumbled on some kind of awesome new factoid, he hasn't.

You know, your doing the esact thing you dont want others to do, you can simply leave...

[Dirus Nigh]

I was in a match today with 5 Steiners on one side and 3 on another. Obviously they have infiltrated my drop.

[dario03]

Bren McGuire, on 12 February 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

Pugs want a fair fight. It's not often that they get one. Don't be surprised by the hate because by definition, you should have a 1:1 ratio in fair fights whereas pugs have a much lower ratio due to pre-made teams who are effectively robbing pugs of fair fights, xp and c-bills.

While I wouldn't complain about a pug only queue or at least something that tries harder to put a equal amount of premades on each team so that the fairness could be close to 1:1 it is perfectly possible to have a 1:1 win ratio in the current system. I've been around that my entire time in this game with a current open beta all pug record of 499/498 with a low of around 44% and a high of 58%. And that was done with various mechs and play times. I think a good pug player running nothing but ecm and fotm mechs could get much higher without a ton of difficulty.
With that said though I do hope that ELO and other things like a possible BV system and balancing of premades gets done right so I can stay close to that 1:1, because I hate if a game is to easy and nobody likes getting rolled.

Edited by dario03, 12 February 2013 - 09:48 PM.

[grayson marik]

....lobby system needed on high prio, problem solved....

[Bren McGuire]

Skadi, on 12 February 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

I understand they want fair fights, but honestly its not even funny when they get pissed off and start cussing me out because they think im part of a premade, JUST because another dude has a steiner emblem

My point is pugs need to stop going crazy just because they see someone with a similar emblem, its getting quite ********.

They're not crazy though, paranoid maybe but just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you.... Seriously though. Being repeatedly beat down in primetime with a barely concievable 1/4 victory rate if you're a damned good pilot with a good (non trial) mech doesn't feel good. The very act of queueing solo means that there won't be a double 4 man drop on your team whereas the option is open for the other team. New players... they don't last long in this game. There are actually some FTP games out there that are fun for new players, MWO isn't one of them and until it is fun to play by the average gamer, MWO will be a niche hardcore game.

[Bren McGuire]

dario03, on 12 February 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

While I wouldn't complain about a pug only queue or at least something that tries harder to put a equal amount of premades on each team so that the fairness could be close to 1:1 it is perfectly possible to have a 1:1 win ratio in the current system. I've been around that my entire time in this game with a current open beta all pug record of 499/498 with a low of around 44% and a high of 58%. And that was done with various mechs and play times. I think a good pug player running nothing but ecm and fotm mechs could get much higher without a ton of difficulty.
With that said though I do hope that ELO and other things like a possible BV system and balancing of premades gets done right so I can stay close to that 1:1, because I hate if a game is to easy and nobody likes getting rolled.

You are an excellent pilot and any team would be better off with you.

It's not possible for a new player to have a 1:1 stat. A team of 4 vets can join and sway the course of battle; they'll leave 4 new players with a victory but 8 with a loss.

[Thirdstar]

Bren McGuire, on 12 February 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

There are actually some FTP games out there that are fun for new players, MWO isn't one of them and until it is fun to play by the average gamer, MWO will be a niche hardcore game.

QFT