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[Jonathan Paine]

Simply this:
Maximum speed for any 'Mech set at (200kph-tonnage).

Flea + MASC = Theoretical maximum of 180kph.

Thoughts?

[BladeSplint]

Not a problem since the flea won't be able to do anything except move very fast.
As far as speed limits go I think people just need to get better at calibrating laser hits until the netcode is totally fixed.

Edited by BladeSplint, 13 February 2013 - 12:50 PM.

[zraven7]

They need to remove the speed cap. Otherwise, Clan lights are going to be so neutered, it's crazy, and MASC will be an impossibility.

I mean, come on, the Dasher goes 160 something stock.

[Redshift2k5]

We already HAVE mechs whih have a highr theoretical maximum than the currently enforced speed limit. A Jenner should actually be able to reach 152

MASC is something they can't add until the netcode can handle such speeds.

[zraven7]

Redshift2k5, on 13 February 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

We already HAVE mechs whih have a highr theoretical maximum than the currently enforced speed limit. A Jenner should actually be able to reach 152

MASC is something they can't add until the netcode can handle such speeds.

Oh, agreed entirely. I just feel that this is an issue that should be a priorty, and needs to be handled before they add Clan mechs. Otherwise, Clan lights are IS lights with better heat sinks.

[Khobai]

Max speed for flea is 201

151 base speed * 1.33 from MASC = 201

[Trauglodyte]

Redshift2k5, on 13 February 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

We already HAVE mechs whih have a highr theoretical maximum than the currently enforced speed limit. A Jenner should actually be able to reach 152

MASC is something they can't add until the netcode can handle such speeds.

While it CAN reach 152, it shouldn't be allowed to. This is one of those things that has really plagued this game since release. All of these mechs are going above and beyond stock speed (ie, TT speeds) because of the tonnage *8.5 engine cap. On maps that are as small as they are, you all of a sudden neuter any level of differentiation or design intent of a lot of mechs because the speed isn't necessary when you start engagments within 30s of the start of a match.

Cicadas were designed for 118kph in TT but they go 152.
Ravens were designed to go 94kph in TT but they go 152.
Hunchbacks were designed to 64kph in TT but can go up to 90ish.
Catapults were supposed to go 64kph in TT but can up to near 80.

You can't balance the game until mechs are balanced around their intent. Operating outside of their intent just makes weapon systems that much out of control.

[Thorqemada]

We have already way to high speeds in average.
The "netcode" problems increase exponentially with the speed and 130 khp should be the upper limit and not 180 or 200.
To ask for speeds like this is to ask for having an improved lagshield...

Edited by Thorqemada, 13 February 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[Ngamok]

The current cap is 130 or 140 right? Even though lights can go 152, they are capped at that?

[Elkarlo]

[Team Leader]

Trauglodyte, on 13 February 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

While it CAN reach 152, it shouldn't be allowed to. This is one of those things that has really plagued this game since release. All of these mechs are going above and beyond stock speed (ie, TT speeds) because of the tonnage *8.5 engine cap. On maps that are as small as they are, you all of a sudden neuter any level of differentiation or design intent of a lot of mechs because the speed isn't necessary when you start engagments within 30s of the start of a match.

Cicadas were designed for 118kph in TT but they go 152.
Ravens were designed to go 94kph in TT but they go 152.
Hunchbacks were designed to 64kph in TT but can go up to 90ish.
Catapults were supposed to go 64kph in TT but can up to near 80.

You can't balance the game until mechs are balanced around their intent. Operating outside of their intent just makes weapon systems that much out of control.

Those are all stock variants. I'm sure in TT (which this game is NOT, FYI) you could do whatever we're doing here. It would be way less viable sure but possible under mech building rules? I've never played so I can't say so myself but they seem possible

[Elkarlo]

Jenner IIC Mounts a 315XL Speed: 151.2 KPH

It's basically an upgraded Jenner Chassi with Star League technology.

Hermes Base speed: 151,2 KPH the SDLF Royal Variant had Masc so about 200KPH

Mercury Base speed:129.6 KPH (172 KPH with activated Masc)

I don't want to search more, but there are several contemporary TT Mechs with a Top speed of 200 KPH.

Edited by Elkarlo, 13 February 2013 - 02:37 PM.

[Tetatae Squawkins]

Trauglodyte, on 13 February 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

While it CAN reach 152, it shouldn't be allowed to. This is one of those things that has really plagued this game since release. All of these mechs are going above and beyond stock speed (ie, TT speeds) because of the tonnage *8.5 engine cap. On maps that are as small as they are, you all of a sudden neuter any level of differentiation or design intent of a lot of mechs because the speed isn't necessary when you start engagments within 30s of the start of a match.

Cicadas were designed for 118kph in TT but they go 152.
Ravens were designed to go 94kph in TT but they go 152.
Hunchbacks were designed to 64kph in TT but can go up to 90ish.
Catapults were supposed to go 64kph in TT but can up to near 80.

You can't balance the game until mechs are balanced around their intent. Operating outside of their intent just makes weapon systems that much out of control.

Hi.


This isn't TT.

[Trauglodyte]

Elkarlo, on 13 February 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Jenner IIC Mounts a 315XL Speed: 151.2 KPH

It's basically an upgraded Jenner Chassi with Star League technology.

Hermes Base speed: 151,2 KPH the SDLF Royal Variant had Masc so abour 200KPH

I don't want to search more, but there are several even contemporary Mechs with a Top speed of 200 KPH.

I'm not debating anything that you said. Though, the Hermes is a god awful looking mech and Garth, or whomever, would have a horrible time trying to make that badboy into something sweet to drive. WOW!

What I am saying is that EVERY mech can go fast right now. And it defeats the purpose of having mechs designed around high levels of speed. Look at the Raven. In TT, it is designed to go 94kph but that, as everyone knows, is simply a design issue with having run and walk speeds needing to be limited by the distance of a single hex. But, even with that limitation, the 3L is still able of going 150. That is a +60% increase based on what? And it is especially damning when you consider that it has Streaks+ECM, an admitted imbalance of sorts, while the 2X and 4X go significantly slower.

Basically, when everyone go run as fast as Usaine Bolt, why bother having races?

[Oppresor]

This was why I decided not to vote for the flea in the recent "Which mech next Poll". For me the idea of the Flea was very interesting; a chance to get back at the Jenners who continually savage my Atlas. I saw the Flea as a ultra light, light unit hunter; something that could actually create a circle of death around a jenner. The only snag was that from what i had been told, its maximum speed had already been capped. This would mean that it looses its only advantage.

[Splinters]

Honestly they should move back to TT rules of the engine size only allowed in increments of the mech weight. This would get everyone back to more normalized builds. Right now there is a heavy min/max usage of engine sizes, that dramatically affect weapons loadouts, heat sinks etc. If the limitation was put back in that you only had as many options as you had in TT, a good range of issues could be resolved including overly fast mechs.

One of the most crazy ideas is that you can move a fusion engine from one mech to another easily, but even crazier you can mount any engine into almost any mech. I've taken full advantage of this and from I've seen on the battlefield, so have many others, but a more conservative approach to engine size usage could help and create a greater diversity of builds due to the engine limitations that do not currently exist.

-S

[Tetatae Squawkins]

Splinters, on 13 February 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

Honestly they should move back to TT rules of the engine size only allowed in increments of the mech weight. This would get everyone back to more normalized builds. Right now there is a heavy min/max usage of engine sizes, that dramatically affect weapons loadouts, heat sinks etc. If the limitation was put back in that you only had as many options as you had in TT, a good range of issues could be resolved including overly fast mechs.

One of the most crazy ideas is that you can move a fusion engine from one mech to another easily, but even crazier you can mount any engine into almost any mech. I've taken full advantage of this and from I've seen on the battlefield, so have many others, but a more conservative approach to engine size usage could help and create a greater diversity of builds due to the engine limitations that do not currently exist.

-S

Yes! Let's make the game less fun.


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[Thorqemada]

A) I see the game engine barely handle the ~150kph that is the current limit.
This is Mechwarrior - a walking Tank game and not Roadrunner meets Coyote slapstick.

[p00k]

The real reason they capped us at 140 Kph:

[Huntsman]

There seems to be some rhyme or reason for how the devs calculate max engine size, but they should really consider throwing that out the window for the flea. Speed is the only thing that mech has going for it, so its going to be pretty pointless if it isn't the fastest thing on the field. I guess a 400 engine might not be essential since that would net us a speed of 324flea kph, but a 255xl will allow the flea to take advantage of all its 2.0 dhs, while still keeping its speed at around 206.