473 replies to this topic

[Joseph Mallan]

i look forward to the battlefield looking like a battlefield once again. Missiles being lobbed through the air, Cannons flaring and lasers strobing. Oh it will be glorious!

[SpiralRazor]

Alexandrix, on 14 February 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

I think what you may be seeing here is when people intentionally break LRM lock while the missiles are in the air,and then reacquire the lock right as the volley gets near their target.I've seen whole volleys of LRM's that are about to splash in the water suddenly do a 90 degree turn and chase a target behind a mountain.I appreciate this skill and timing,but I don't think missiles should be doing 90 degree turns lol

Not familiar with modern guided rockets eh? Thats what these are, they arent missiles in the traditional Patriot sense...thats a Thunder or Arrow.

[Kingdok]

FerrolupisXIII, on 14 February 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

welcome to canon! PPC's are supposed to emit a small EMP effect. scrambling electronics in the mech. i think it messing with ECM emitters is perfectly fine.

It should also reset your clock and radio station presets... little lightning effects in the cockpit would make me very happy, too, but other things have much greater priority.

[Garth Erlam]

MischiefSC, on 14 February 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

I absolutely get the means of balance to that. However, the reason it works this way is because LRMs are designed to be 'boated'. More to the point their power expands exponentially with an organized team and ECM along with a TAG spotter.

The design promotes boating over diversity and specializing each mech in a team for specific roles. I can appreciate where for an organized team of players this can be great - specifically because what it does is give them a huge advantage over pugs who have no control over who they drop with. What it does instead is just make each game a roll of the dice and mean that you need to boat your mech and try to focus on exploiting the situations that your boated design benefit you the most in. This is most relevant in LRMs and ECM.

Is the best D-DC Atlas player in the game a pug or on a team? If he pugs, mind sharing what his loadout is?

I'm pretty sure you have this all wrong, because from what I have been lead to believe, ECM makes LRM's quite literally non functional. I don't think they even fire.

[Novawrecker]

Garth Erlam, on 15 February 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure you have this all wrong, because from what I have been lead to believe, ECM makes LRM's quite literally non functional. I don't think they even fire.

They fire. Lock and hit, on the other hand, is a completely different matter. hehe

[Teralitha]

Death Mallet, on 14 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

The Problem:

LRMs never got "fixed". The problem with LRMs was only covered up by the dominance of ECM on the battlefield. Well, ECM is about to take a big hit. . . and once again the LRM boats will reap a deadly toll on everything else.

How We Got Here:

On the Feb 8 patch the heat fixes to the PPC allowed it to make a triumphant return to the battlefield. Its in widespread use again now.

On Feb 19, PPCs will now shut down ECM. Which means, AS7-D-DCs will largely become obsolete. They'll be hit with enough PPC fire that their ECM will be negated most of the time.

This leaves only the light mechs to carry the effective ECM systems.

What's Going to Happen on Feb 19:

- LRM boats are going to come back in a big way. If you're driving a heavy or assault mech, you will no longer have effective ECM cover once the PPCs start flying and, once again, you will start getting anihilated by massed LRM volleys.

- Premades will dominate PUG players more than they do now. Why? Because only the light mechs will have effective ECM due to it being harder to hit them with PPCs. On smart premade teams, the light mech drivers will be assigned to hang back and cover the heavies and assaults with their ECM. On pug teams the light mech players will charge out as they do today, leaving the heavies and assaults to get slaughtered by LRMs.

- AS7-D-DCs will gradually disappear from the battlefield. The game will come to be dominated by light mechs toting PPCs and LRM boats - probably Stalkers. Other mech types need not apply.

What can be done to fix the coming LRM apocalypse?

- Nerf LRM damage
- Increase non-ECM LRM lockon time
- Reduce LRM accuracy
- Reduce ammo/ton for LRMs
- Fix the double heat sink issue so its not biased in favor of light mechs.
http://mwomercs.com/...simplification/

. . . or all of the above.

Garbage Topic. more like.... prepare the forums for Qville.

[Nightcrept]

I wonder if some of you have played the game before ecm.


Before ecm, when players had to actually worry about LRM's we balanced them. If you search you can find the buffs to ams and the nerfs and buffs to LRMS.

LRMS are almost perfect as they are now.

[Joseph Mallan]

Garth Erlam, on 15 February 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure you have this all wrong, because from what I have been lead to believe, ECM makes LRM's quite literally non functional. I don't think they even fire.

man you must have a serious link to the sarcasm! I almost believed you for a .001 second

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 15 February 2013 - 09:46 AM.

[Oni Ralas]

Feed me your tears! FEEED MEEEEEEEE


PPC and LRM fan.

[Nightcrept]

Garth Erlam, on 15 February 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure you have this all wrong, because from what I have been lead to believe, ECM makes LRM's quite literally non functional. I don't think they even fire.

Non viable. You can use them and dumb fire them on slow-mo mode. Or if you have ecm field dominance then they become God's hand. Or you can run all brawling builds like most pugs have turned to and be guaranteed easy damage. Thus the crying about already balanced issues. If your not puging and you can build a team around ecm to give you a chance to use LRMs I suppose they would still be usable. But since i don't run in a clan I would have to leave that analysis to them.

[Wolf Ender]

Remember those short 2 weeks of ridiculousness before ECM came out, when LRMs were at 2.0 damage, and if you had Artemis the flight paths were like zoooooooooooooom over and then pivot 90 degrees midair and slam STRAIGHT DOWN onto the enemy Mech's cockpit taking them out pretty much in 1 salvo???

I doubt anything could ever make LRMs that imba again. They're very balanced now. I predict nothing changes in the metagame in regards to LRMs once the PPC / ECM counter gets implemented.

Edited by Wolf Ender, 15 February 2013 - 09:53 AM.

[Damien Matashy]

ugh...another chicken little. the sky is falling, the sky is falling...oh wait those are lrms...lol

learn to adapt, that is all i have to say. there are ways to avoid lrms, learn them. I am getting sick of the lrm's are op bs.

[CommanderOSIS]

I already dominate with a ppc cicada. idgi?

[80Bit]

Death Mallet, on 14 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

The Problem:

LRMs never got "fixed". The problem with LRMs was only covered up by the dominance of ECM on the battlefield. Well, ECM is about to take a big hit. . . and once again the LRM boats will reap a deadly toll on everything else.

How We Got Here:

On the Feb 8 patch the heat fixes to the PPC allowed it to make a triumphant return to the battlefield. Its in widespread use again now.

On Feb 19, PPCs will now shut down ECM. Which means, AS7-D-DCs will largely become obsolete. They'll be hit with enough PPC fire that their ECM will be negated most of the time.

This leaves only the light mechs to carry the effective ECM systems.

What's Going to Happen on Feb 19:

- LRM boats are going to come back in a big way. If you're driving a heavy or assault mech, you will no longer have effective ECM cover once the PPCs start flying and, once again, you will start getting anihilated by massed LRM volleys.

- Premades will dominate PUG players more than they do now. Why? Because only the light mechs will have effective ECM due to it being harder to hit them with PPCs. On smart premade teams, the light mech drivers will be assigned to hang back and cover the heavies and assaults with their ECM. On pug teams the light mech players will charge out as they do today, leaving the heavies and assaults to get slaughtered by LRMs.

- AS7-D-DCs will gradually disappear from the battlefield. The game will come to be dominated by light mechs toting PPCs and LRM boats - probably Stalkers. Other mech types need not apply.

What can be done to fix the coming LRM apocalypse?

- Nerf LRM damage
- Increase non-ECM LRM lockon time
- Reduce LRM accuracy
- Reduce ammo/ton for LRMs
- Fix the double heat sink issue so its not biased in favor of light mechs.
http://mwomercs.com/...simplification/

. . . or all of the above.

1) LRMs did get fixed. Their damage was reduced and their flight grouping altered. They stopped being overly dominant even before ECM was put in.
2) Your assumption is that ECM is the only thing keeping LRMs in check. The reality is that even in no ECM matches, LRM boats only still do not dominate like you are describing.
3) Premades won't dominate PUGS "more" because they already dominate them 99% of the time.
4) Your proposed changes are ridiculous and would remove LRMS from use totally.

Your post has 14 pages of responses but only 2 likes. It does not appear that many people agree with your LRM assessment.

[Velba]

[jakucha]

CommanderOSIS, on 15 February 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

I already dominate with a ppc cicada. idgi?

Speaking of that, I watched an ERPPC Spider kill an SRM spam cat the other day 1on1. Hilarious.

[Javin]

The end is coming. MWO is making a CHANGE. The end is near.

[Enig]

Why don't we just do this logically and test the patch once it's out instead of fixing something that we haven't experienced yet?

[MEAT LOAF]

***** ***** ***** that's all that happens about LRM's. Hell let's just remove them and fix the whole problem? Not.... Learn to play scrub.

[Vodrin Thales]

What a terribly misguided post from the OP. Tag makes any DDC, or mech covered by their ecm, advancing through the open meat for LRM's now. I really don't see how disrupt on PPC's is going to make that big a difference.