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[SpiralRazor]

Death Mallet, on 14 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

The Problem:

LRMs never got "fixed". The problem with LRMs was only covered up by the dominance of ECM on the battlefield. Well, ECM is about to take a big hit. . . and once again the LRM boats will reap a deadly toll on everything else.

How We Got Here:

On the Feb 8 patch the heat fixes to the PPC allowed it to make a triumphant return to the battlefield. Its in widespread use again now.

On Feb 19, PPCs will now shut down ECM. Which means, AS7-D-DCs will largely become obsolete. They'll be hit with enough PPC fire that their ECM will be negated most of the time.

This leaves only the light mechs to carry the effective ECM systems.

What's Going to Happen on Feb 19:

- LRM boats are going to come back in a big way. If you're driving a heavy or assault mech, you will no longer have effective ECM cover once the PPCs start flying and, once again, you will start getting anihilated by massed LRM volleys.

- Premades will dominate PUG players more than they do now. Why? Because only the light mechs will have effective ECM due to it being harder to hit them with PPCs. On smart premade teams, the light mech drivers will be assigned to hang back and cover the heavies and assaults with their ECM. On pug teams the light mech players will charge out as they do today, leaving the heavies and assaults to get slaughtered by LRMs.

- AS7-D-DCs will gradually disappear from the battlefield. The game will come to be dominated by light mechs toting PPCs and LRM boats - probably Stalkers. Other mech types need not apply.

What can be done to fix the coming LRM apocalypse?

- Nerf LRM damage
- Increase non-ECM LRM lockon time
- Reduce LRM accuracy
- Reduce ammo/ton for LRMs
- Fix the double heat sink issue so its not biased in favor of light mechs.
http://mwomercs.com/...simplification/

. . . or all of the above.

The Problem


I am a bad, and have no situational awareness. Im used to depending on my crutch, and Im mad that its being nerfed slightly. I cant seem to learn from others who are better and more knowledgeable at the content then I am, and if Im given advice, I tend to ignore it and do my own thing.

How we got here

PGI released ECM which made me such a better pilot, yay!!!!! I felt important.



Whats going to happen Feb 19th

Whhaaaa..my crutch! Whaaa! PREMADES ARE DEVIL....I am disappoint:(.


What can be done to fix the coming LRM apocalypse

Remove LRM from game pls, kxthanxs and eat oranges.





Hey bro, just wanted to fix that for you as it appears you needed some editing.

-SR

[Deux]

Propaganda war is my ams ....just let him take the lead

[Serevn]

Hey, do we know if PPCs make mechs covered by other mech's ECM target-able? Probably not, so save your baseless accusations and complaining until a while after the patch. Also the ECM disable lasts 5 seconds, so if your tactless enough to get shot continuously by PPCs and LRMs at the same time, you have different problems.

Edited by Serevn, 15 February 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

So I fire My PPC at the Enemy ECM carrier then Lay into him with 3 LRM15s!?! Amazing! Thanks PGI!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 15 February 2013 - 10:56 AM.

[StalaggtIKE]

I speculate that a ERPPC + SSRM2 combo will be the greatest benefiter of this. LRM travel time hurts a PPC + LRM combo.

Edited by StalaggtIKE, 15 February 2013 - 11:34 AM.

[Mechteric]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 February 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

So I fire My PPC at the Enemy ECM carrier then Lay into him with 3 LRM15s!?! Amazing! Thanks PGI!

well unless he has another buddy near him with ECM that hasn't gotten hit by PPC yet

[Joseph Mallan]

GM Reppu, on 15 February 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

Hm. Do you have next week's winning lottery numbers too?

yes...
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you don't win!

[MischiefSC]

Garth Erlam, on 15 February 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure you have this all wrong, because from what I have been lead to believe, ECM makes LRM's quite literally non functional. I don't think they even fire.

No no, it's the tears. The constant rain of tears that snuffs out their little motors before they get to their target. That's not ECM. My understanding was that at one time Forest Colony had a big sand dune up one side that is now a lake with a broken boat in it made of all the tears shed over LRMs not working. I'm still looking for the details of that on Snopes.

I have personally resorted to just throwing them and using foul language. Which, admittedly, is still more effective than NARCing people.

Touche sir, touche.

[Vodrin Thales]

Cest7, on 15 February 2013 - 01:40 AM, said:

Sooooooo the 3L is going to be even MORE OP?

Yes, and less depending on how good a shot your PPC mechs are.

[Deamhan]

Garth Erlam, on 15 February 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure you have this all wrong, because from what I have been lead to believe, ECM makes LRM's quite literally non functional. I don't think they even fire.

Being able to dumb fire them is a complete and utter waste. They are a long rang weapon advertised as being able to fire them from behind cover using a team mates target to lock onto. Speaking of clairvoyance, you would have to be pretty clairvoyant to actually effectively use them as a dumb fire weapon. Unless you want to get in close but not too close since they are useless within 180m. I'd be generous to say that you have a 180m window. Giving you from 180m to 360m and anything above that is no longer about leading the target, but rather is about predicting where the target is gonna be.

[Havyek]

Edited by BDU Havoc, 15 February 2013 - 12:30 PM.

[Tesunie]

Deamhan, on 15 February 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

Being able to dumb fire them is a complete and utter waste. They are a long rang weapon advertised as being able to fire them from behind cover using a team mates target to lock onto. Speaking of clairvoyance, you would have to be pretty clairvoyant to actually effectively use them as a dumb fire weapon. Unless you want to get in close but not too close since they are useless within 180m. I'd be generous to say that you have a 180m window. Giving you from 180m to 360m and anything above that is no longer about leading the target, but rather is about predicting where the target is gonna be.

I dumb fire my LRMs all the time, and still hit. It's really easy actually when your target stands still because they aren't getting a warning and they seem to think LRMs can't hit them because they have ECM. I've also effectively blind fired them into foes running right at me. Or at other unaware target I can't get a lock on. It's not easy, but requires a lot of skill. Atlases particularly fall to my blind fired LRMs, as they are slow. DDCs in particular. They always seem to act shocked that LRMs are hitting them with their ECM on.

[Rannos]

Rannos, on 14 February 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

Given the title, who would even read this thread for a serious discussion?

I mean seriously. The thread title is almost literally someone crying that the sky is falling and you open the thread and actually READ the **** inside? What is wrong with all of you?

[Bguk]

In Russia, the sky really falls.

[Elder Thorn]

Death Mallet, on 14 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

AS7-D-DCs will gradually disappear from the battlefield.

i used to run mostly D-DC before ECM, why should it change?

[MischiefSC]

Whoops. Wrong thread.

Edited by MischiefSC, 15 February 2013 - 01:54 PM.

[Deamhan]

Tesunie, on 15 February 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

I dumb fire my LRMs all the time, and still hit. It's really easy actually when your target stands still because they aren't getting a warning and they seem to think LRMs can't hit them because they have ECM. I've also effectively blind fired them into foes running right at me. Or at other unaware target I can't get a lock on. It's not easy, but requires a lot of skill. Atlases particularly fall to my blind fired LRMs, as they are slow. DDCs in particular. They always seem to act shocked that LRMs are hitting them with their ECM on.

[Dagger6T6]

I love hypothetical speculation simulation

[Skyfaller]

Death Mallet, on 14 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

The Problem:

LRMs never got "fixed". The problem with LRMs was only covered up by the dominance of ECM on the battlefield. Well, ECM is about to take a big hit. . . and once again the LRM boats will reap a deadly toll on everything else.

How We Got Here:

On the Feb 8 patch the heat fixes to the PPC allowed it to make a triumphant return to the battlefield. Its in widespread use again now.

On Feb 19, PPCs will now shut down ECM. Which means, AS7-D-DCs will largely become obsolete. They'll be hit with enough PPC fire that their ECM will be negated most of the time.

This leaves only the light mechs to carry the effective ECM systems.

What's Going to Happen on Feb 19:

- LRM boats are going to come back in a big way. If you're driving a heavy or assault mech, you will no longer have effective ECM cover once the PPCs start flying and, once again, you will start getting anihilated by massed LRM volleys.

- Premades will dominate PUG players more than they do now. Why? Because only the light mechs will have effective ECM due to it being harder to hit them with PPCs. On smart premade teams, the light mech drivers will be assigned to hang back and cover the heavies and assaults with their ECM. On pug teams the light mech players will charge out as they do today, leaving the heavies and assaults to get slaughtered by LRMs.

- AS7-D-DCs will gradually disappear from the battlefield. The game will come to be dominated by light mechs toting PPCs and LRM boats - probably Stalkers. Other mech types need not apply.

Flaw in your argument:

You will need a PPC to constantly hit the ECM Atlas to shut its ecm off.
You ignore the fact that an ECM atlas is easy kill for an LRM boat RIGHT NOW. Why yes Mr. ECM Atlas sir, say Hello to my little friend *TAG*.

Now, you do accurately state lights will have the most effective ECMS...because thats what they are now.

The PPC patch is not going to change anything really. My quad-LRM+1Tag+2large laser stalker and my six-ppc stalker will keep rollin'

[Tesunie]

Deamhan, on 15 February 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Where you making my point for me? If that was an attempt to show how wrong I am, you would be amazed at how many people stand still till two or three volleys hit them, then they start to move, maybe. And, I've also hit moving targets as well with blind fired LRMs to. Usually slow assaults and heavies, once more normally Atlases. I've pelted charging mechs as well to. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean some of us can. And no, it isn't easy.