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[miscreant]

Upcoming Mech for March - the JagerMech!

The Sarna Wiki page starts out describing the Jagermech like this:

Designed as an anti-aircraft platform and long-range fire support unit, the JagerMech was intended to correct several perceived faults of the original Rifleman.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/JagerMech

http://mwowiki.org/wiki/JagerMech

The JM6-S looks pretty powerful:
Autocannon 5 2 Autocannon 2 2 Medium Laser 2

I'm looking forward to this mech. At 65 tons, it should be quite a wrecking ball.

Discuss.

Edited by miscreant, 14 February 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[Elkfire]

It's a ballistics platform I'm actually interested in. The Cataphract 4X is just way too slow to make up for the chassis' issues with armor and hitboxes. I'm looking forward to playing around with builds, seeing if I can get its speed up while also increasing its armor (since the Jagermech is notoriously light on armor) without gimping my heat, ammo, and weaponry too much.

There's experimentation to be done!

[Yankee77]

In tabletop the Jagermech is something of a red-headed stepchild, by virtue of its paper-thin armor and its AC2s (which are really bad in TT, save for anti-air maybe).

But I for one love the design for it, and it will be my next chassis. It should make an excellent sniper.

Though the basic setup, which we imagine is 2 Ballistic in each arms, is nothing really new: the CTF-4X already has those, so I'll be interested to see what they do that makes the JGM worthwhile over the CTF-4X (at the least, its higher arms makes for better sniping, perhaps).

[miscreant]

Paper thin armor?

Edited by miscreant, 14 February 2013 - 07:54 PM.

[El Bandito]

Well, there is CTF-4X is you want to be ballistic crazy.

Only reason I would every pick up Jager Mech is probably due the high position of it's guns. Much easier to pop out and shoot.


*edit Itkovian ninjaed me.

Edited by El Bandito, 14 February 2013 - 07:52 PM.

[CG Oglethorpe Kerensky]

miscreant, on 14 February 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Paper thin armor?

For example, the arms on the JM6-S will have 12 points of armor on them, that is including the double armor value. The stock Jagers are horribly designed, it is the kind of mech that never has to worry about overheating because it will be destroyed before it is in any danger of shutting down.

Edited by CG Oglethorpe Kerensky, 14 February 2013 - 08:06 PM.

[GoKuXo]

Jaggermech dont have elbows or hands, so less actuator is a AC20 for arm

[CrashieJ]

well since the JagerMech basically has Pods for Arms, What were going to see it 2 AC20, quad UAC5 builds with XL engines and jumpjets.

might get on that

[Eddrick]

I would try to build it around Gauss Rifles. May just try two Gauss Rifles and two PPCs.

Edit: Just realized two Gauss Rifles can't fit in the same arm.

Edited by Eddrick, 14 February 2013 - 08:12 PM.

[Biglead]

Peter Davion piloted one so does that mean a hero version?

[Butane9000]

It's a 5 ton lighter Cataphract-4X without the missile hard points.

Edited by Butane9000, 14 February 2013 - 08:19 PM.

[Kobold]

Eddrick, on 14 February 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

I would try to build it around Gauss Rifles. May just try two Gauss Rifles and two PPCs.

Edit: Just realized two Gauss Rifles can't fit in the same arm.

The lasers are torso mounted, I believe, so you still could.

That being said, the JM6 doesn't bring us much that the current CTF-4X doesn't already do better (given that it is 5 tons heavier). The only advantage for the JM6 right now is slightly better energy placement, and the ability to have an XL engine dual AC20 mech.

The JM6-A is an interesting hybrid mech, I suppose, if you really want ballistics and missiles on a heavy mech.

[One Medic Army]

As a Gauss sniper: higher engine cap than a 4x, higher mounted arms.
No lower arm actuators, 5 less tons to work with.

As a double AC/20 platform: It can XL engine, unlike the double 20 K2.
Arms can be shot off (40armor+20internals).

There are also some other interesting Jagermech variants that aren't 4xB 2xE for hardpoints:
The A variant has 1B and 1M per arm, plus the 2 torso E slots.
The 6-D3 and 7D variants have 1B 1E per arm and the two torso E slots, they're 3056 and 3057 respectively though.

For that matter, there's only 3 variants available in this time period, two of which only differ in that the AC/5s were upgraded to UAC/5s, and the MLs to MPLs. I'm wondering what the third variant will be,

Edited by One Medic Army, 14 February 2013 - 08:28 PM.

[J4ckInthebox]

no lower arm actuators? bring out the AC/20's !

[Elkfire]

Butane9000, on 14 February 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

It's a 5 ton lighter Cataphract-4X without the missile hard points.

Except it doesn't have the 4X's weakness of Assault mech speed with Heavy mech armor (not to mention the Cataphract chassis' barn door profile).

[Orzorn]

Quad UAC/5.

And people thought the Ilya was ridiculous!

Edited by Orzorn, 14 February 2013 - 08:26 PM.

[Eddrick]

Kobold, on 14 February 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

The lasers are torso mounted, I believe, so you still could.

At first, I was thinking if it was possible to equip one with four Gauss Rifles. But, then I realized that two Gauss Rilfes can't fit in the same arm.

Kobold, on 14 February 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

That being said, the JM6 doesn't bring us much that the current CTF-4X doesn't already do better (given that it is 5 tons heavier). The only advantage for the JM6 right now is slightly better energy placement, and the ability to have an XL engine dual AC20 mech.

Come to think of it. The Mech would give me a good excuse to try AC/20s, too.

[Mr 144]

Double Gauss + Double PPC
Quad UAC/5s

Both Impossible. It's the same tonnage as the 'Pult and 5 tons less than the 'phract...it's not going to be able to magically do anything better.

An A with 2xUAC/5s, 2xSRM4, and 4xML is probablly the best that can be done with it.

The double AC/20 has positives, and negatives compared to the K2...purely pilot preference.

Mr 144

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

Looks to me like the hitboxes will be just as "bad" as the Cataphracts, maybe even a little bit worse since it stands taller on people-legs. That's just from looking at the concept art side-by-side.

I say "bad" in quotation marks because, while the Cataphract might not have an ideal shape, I also don't think it's hitboxes are a deal-breaker. Ultimately I think the Jager will be similar but still distinctive and balanced compared to the CTF-4X. Not a game-changer, and still not a Catapult

[Felicitatem Parco]

miscreant, on 14 February 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Paper thin armor?

Irrelevant!

Nah, seriously, though, the TT loadouts are only the reference material used to determine the Variants' Hardpoint distributions. That's it; if you see Paper-Thin Armor on paper that means absolutely nothing in a MechLab that allows you to change armor values... so it's folly to call JagerMechs "Glass Cannons."

Seriously, what do you call a JagerMech with a PPC in the LT, an ERPPC in the RT, double Heat Sinks, quad Machineguns, and a Standard Engine with nearly full armor? Do you call it a "Glass Cannon?"