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[GrizzlyViking]

Did you ever wonder about those people that are not forum moderators that are always going around replying to posts, but not about the topic? I mean those people that think it is their job to be some type of quasi-forum-administrator? These are what I call Quasi-Moderators. These folks are always creating off-topic responses to tell you things like you posted in the wrong forum.

Let's use that as an example of the fruitlessness of these types of posts.

First, If you post in the wrong forum for a particular topic it is not likely that you choose to do so as some way to cause strife and annoyance for the community and it's moderators...it was just a simple mistake.

Second, unless an actual forum moderator agrees that the post is misplaced, then it isn't.

Third, even if the quasi-moderator is correct about a topic being in the wrong place, what can the original poster do about it? I mean it's not like they can move the topic themselves.

Forth, what's the point of telling someone if it's just your opinion. The only opinions that matter are the forum moderators'.

Fifth, authors of posts know when they have erred in post location when their post is moved by an actual moderator. When the post is moved they get an official notification, so there is no real need for non-moderators to intervene in this process.

Finally, my advice to "Quasi-Moderators" is to move on without posting anything when you see topics that are misplaced...I do and it seems to work well.

Edited by GrizzlyViking, 26 May 2012 - 11:44 AM.

[CoffiNail]

I think this should have gone in suggestions

[Aelos03]

few days ago some one got banned for 2 days because he posted in wrong forum

[OnLashoc]

GrizzlyViking, on 26 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

Did you ever wonder about those people that are not forum moderators that are always going around replying to posts, but not about the topic? I mean those people that think it is their job to be some type of quasi-forum-administrator? These are what I call Quasi-Moderators. These folks are always creating off-topic responses to tell you things like you posted in the wrong forum.

Let's use that as an example of the fruitlessness of these types of posts.

First, If you post in the wrong forum for a particular topic it is not likely that you choose to do so as some way to cause strife and annoyance for the community and it's moderators...it was just a simple mistake.

Second, unless an actual forum moderator agrees that the post is misplaced, then it isn't.

Third, even if the quasi-moderator is correct about a topic being in the wrong place, what can the original poster do about it? I mean it's not like they can move the topic themselves.

Forth, what's the point of telling someone if it's just your opinion. The only opinions that matter are the forum moderators'.

Fifth, authors of posts know when they have erred in post location when their post is moved by an actual moderator. When the post is moved they get an official notification, so there is no real need for non-moderators to intervene in this process.

Finally, my advice to "Quasi-Moderators" is to move on without posting anything when you see topics that are misplaced...I do and it seems to work well.

1. This is why in school they teach you to read. When you click on a forum and then click start new topic, it is by intent, not a mistake "Oops accidently hit the incorrect forum, OOoops look at that accidently hit start new topic". It is not a simple mistake, it actually takes quite a bit of intent to start a new topic then type it all out and hit finish.

The thing is people think that their post count is going to make a difference on whether they will get into beta or not, so rather than selecting the best forum for their question or topic, they hit the most popular one hoping to get noticed. I understand their train of thought, but I have a bit more restraint then they do and post accordingly. It's very annoying and makes finding the interesting topics harder after searching through 15 useless topics that have been answered or debated to death before.

2. If you need Uncle Joe to tell you that you did something wrong now, as a grown / growing adult then your parents need slapped cause they failed you as a child.

3. At the bottom of a post YOU start there is this link dead center (off to the left of Post) called Moderator Options / Tools w/e, you can copy your misplaced post, start a new topic where it was "intended" *coughbull****cough*, then come back and delete the topic.

4. Opinions matter very much, this is a FORUM it is here to discuss things openly within the guidelines and rules. Can't handle rules and guidelines, then don't post on the forums, is it that hard?

5. See response number 1 and response number 2, read them and think really really hard. You're starting to repeat yourself.


Lastly, I would love to move on about freely without having to tell someone with a post count of less than I don't know "5" acting like it's their first time ever posting on a message board that their dribble is annoying and pointless. "Quasi-Moderator" I like that, maybe I should get a special forum title

In all seriousness is it that hard to post in the appropriate sections of the forum? You can't even post in the correct place, and you think they want you to help develop their gazillion dollar project???? Funny stuff man funny stuff.

Edited by OnLashoc, 26 May 2012 - 02:15 PM.

[Dark Fact]

This is a pretty common thing on online forums. The more popular term for such users is "backseat mod," and it's frowned upon in most communities. Some forums have rules specifically against this.

I don't mind it when more experienced forum users show newbies the ropes, but it's quite different when someone is being arrogant or acting as if they're a staff member instead.

[Insidious Johnson]

Stick around here for months dude. You'll change your tune after you see everything twice with no indication of it stopping any time soon.

[OnLashoc]

Oh Dark I agree, my intent is not to "Act like a forum moderator" but to help the rest of us that have been here posting meat and potatoes type threads, having reasonable discussion, and see 15 more posts of the same thing with ya know a word or so difference just for the sake of posting. Where was I, ooh yea it's hard to find those good meat n potatoes posts that have depth and very good discussion when having to search through hundreds of meaningless posts in the wrong place. Very annoying sums it up.

The search function on this site works wonderfully well seriously I don't know if I could keep up without it.

So am I personally trying to be a moderator, absolutely not. I am trying to help squelch out such said posts and make it easier for the rest of us, including the Mods but not purely FOR the mods. Do you see where I'm coming from?

[Aegis Kleais]

Sounds like you call someone who simply voices their opinions (something that's rather common in a forum) a "Quasi-Moderator".

This reminds me of the mentality of the type of poster who complains about complainers. In other words, they feel that their opinion of how things should be is right, even if it contradicts that point or makes them out to be hypocritical.

Telling these Quasi-Mods not to make posts when they can't do anything about it is of the same caliber as the person telling the Quasi-Mod that that point. It's futile in bringing it up since it's "Crying over spilled milk".

If these "mods" are a peeve, then that's one thing. We all have peeves on forums. Mine is the memes, common misspellings like "loose" when they mean "lose" and not knowing the difference between the words "your" and "you're", "there", "their" and "they're", etc. But there's nothing more you can do than tell someone.

[Funbags]

Aegis Kleais, on 26 May 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Sounds like you call someone who simply voices their opinions (something that's rather common in a forum) a "Quasi-Moderator".

This reminds me of the mentality of the type of poster who complains about complainers. In other words, they feel that their opinion of how things should be is right, even if it contradicts that point or makes them out to be hypocritical.

Telling these Quasi-Mods not to make posts when they can't do anything about it is of the same caliber as the person telling the Quasi-Mod that that point. It's futile in bringing it up since it's "Crying over spilled milk".

If these "mods" are a peeve, then that's one thing. We all have peeves on forums. Mine is the memes, common misspellings like "loose" when they mean "lose" and not knowing the difference between the words "your" and "you're", "there", "their" and "they're", etc. But there's nothing more you can do than tell someone.

Or, more likely, these "quasi mods" have no life and feel the need to comment on everything.

[Aegis Kleais]

Funbags, on 26 May 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Or, more likely, these "quasi mods" have no life and feel the need to comment on everything.

Yeah, but you'd be just as guilty for commenting on someone's comment.

As far as the "you have no life" argument, I think that's just a misconception that's brought on by one's judgement of another person's actions being worthwhile by their standards.

Some people just aren't "wired" properly to be on a forum. They find it odd when people post opinions and chat for reasons that don't interest them personally, and feel they need to speak up and make it known to others they feel that way.

I mean...it's a forum. Discussion should be the name of the game, right?

[OnLashoc]

Or the "quasi mods" just want to enjoy the forums like everyone else and feel the need to point these "new posters" in the right direction. I have yet to berate or belittle one, just pointed them in the right direction.

[Funbags]

Aegis Kleais, on 26 May 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Yeah, but you'd be just as guilty for commenting on someone's comment.

As far as the "you have no life" argument, I think that's just a misconception that's brought on by one's judgement of another person's actions being worthwhile by their standards.

Some people just aren't "wired" properly to be on a forum. They find it odd when people post opinions and chat for reasons that don't interest them personally, and feel they need to speak up and make it known to others they feel that way.

I mean...it's a forum. Discussion should be the name of the game, right?

Yup.

[Toothman]

I really think you should be talked to for using too much spacing and wasting valuable internet space.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I am one of your quasi-mods.

[sarcasm]
For the last 2 days I have been trolling the forums with nothing else to do, bitter about the fact that I have not received a Beta invite.

Because of this, I spend all my time dwelling on that very fact. I've found one of the best things I can do to ruin the community's experinece, and make myself feel better at the same time, is to spam the forums where ever someone posts a Support Question in the General Discussion. It's my clever way of striking back at the Community and the Devs for their insolence: I'm blatently redirecting all of the support questions to the Support Forums because it 1.) Gives the Devs more work to do once they have large and useful data sets to work with, and 2.) bumps their Discussion Post to the top so everyone has to see it instead of their favorite topics!

Muwahahaha...

I want to see those developers spending all their time fixing website problems instead of working on the game, and I want all the community members to have to see the bumped discussions about the problems many people are experiencing on the website.
[/sarcasm]

I am the quasimod because there are large numbers of people who are concerned that they will not be able to join the early phases of the Closed Beta due to MW:O website problems rather than problems with their computer or geographical location. I have reported these threads to the moderators using the REPORT tool on the forums, but none of the threads have been merged, stickied, or moved. In light of this, I have taken it upon myself to help individuals in distress buy directing them to the specific support forum threads that address the problem they are experiencing.

I aplogize for inconveniencing you with my unauthorized attampts to "be a Mod," but at the same time, I have this terrible habbit of helping others in need even when I am no-way responsible for their well-being. It's just what I do. If you see me create a posting that misdirects people in distress, or that causes undue harm to anyone in the community, then you can freely discuss it with me or you can report me to the community moderators.

Until then, until the bona fide Community Moderators have the time to personally redirect all the posters in General Discussions and Suggestions that report bugs to the Support forums, I will continue directing those in need of assistance to the Support Forums.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 26 May 2012 - 05:03 PM.

[GrizzlyViking]

OnLashoc, on 26 May 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

1. This is why in school they teach you to read. When you click on a forum and then click start new topic, it is by intent, not a mistake "Oops accidently hit the incorrect forum, OOoops look at that accidently hit start new topic". It is not a simple mistake, it actually takes quite a bit of intent to start a new topic then type it all out and hit finish.

The thing is people think that their post count is going to make a difference on whether they will get into beta or not, so rather than selecting the best forum for their question or topic, they hit the most popular one hoping to get noticed. I understand their train of thought, but I have a bit more restraint then they do and post accordingly. It's very annoying and makes finding the interesting topics harder after searching through 15 useless topics that have been answered or debated to death before.

2. If you need Uncle Joe to tell you that you did something wrong now, as a grown / growing adult then your parents need slapped cause they failed you as a child.

3. At the bottom of a post YOU start there is this link dead center (off to the left of Post) called Moderator Options / Tools w/e, you can copy your misplaced post, start a new topic where it was "intended" *coughbull****cough*, then come back and delete the topic.

4. Opinions matter very much, this is a FORUM it is here to discuss things openly within the guidelines and rules. Can't handle rules and guidelines, then don't post on the forums, is it that hard?

5. See response number 1 and response number 2, read them and think really really hard. You're starting to repeat yourself.


Lastly, I would love to move on about freely without having to tell someone with a post count of less than I don't know "5" acting like it's their first time ever posting on a message board that their dribble is annoying and pointless. "Quasi-Moderator" I like that, maybe I should get a special forum title

In all seriousness is it that hard to post in the appropriate sections of the forum? You can't even post in the correct place, and you think they want you to help develop their gazillion dollar project???? Funny stuff man funny stuff.

See a full fledged, card carrying "Quasi-Administrator" above. ^^^^^^^^^ heheheheh

[GrizzlyViking]

Aegis Kleais, on 26 May 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Sounds like you call someone who simply voices their opinions (something that's rather common in a forum) a "Quasi-Moderator".

This reminds me of the mentality of the type of poster who complains about complainers. In other words, they feel that their opinion of how things should be is right, even if it contradicts that point or makes them out to be hypocritical.

Telling these Quasi-Mods not to make posts when they can't do anything about it is of the same caliber as the person telling the Quasi-Mod that that point. It's futile in bringing it up since it's "Crying over spilled milk".

If these "mods" are a peeve, then that's one thing. We all have peeves on forums. Mine is the memes, common misspellings like "loose" when they mean "lose" and not knowing the difference between the words "your" and "you're", "there", "their" and "they're", etc. But there's nothing more you can do than tell someone.

it's good to see that you have not changed much over the years Aegis. I remember you from back in the day. Consistency is a good thing. Don't respond to this one...see my post below.

Edited by GrizzlyViking, 27 May 2012 - 05:28 AM.

[William Petersen]

Ah, "Mini-mods"; scourge of forums everywhere.

[GrizzlyViking]

Aegis Kleais, on 26 May 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Yeah, but you'd be just as guilty for commenting on someone's comment.

As far as the "you have no life" argument, I think that's just a misconception that's brought on by one's judgement of another person's actions being worthwhile by their standards.

Some people just aren't "wired" properly to be on a forum. They find it odd when people post opinions and chat for reasons that don't interest them personally, and feel they need to speak up and make it known to others they feel that way.

I mean...it's a forum. Discussion should be the name of the game, right?

Maybe I need to clarify some here as I may not have been in the best frame of mind when posting or fully considering the breadth of the topic. I think some posts by certain people who are respectful and have good communication skills are of benefit to the community. This would be someone like you Aegis.

(NOTE: remarks below are not directed at you, Aegis, or anyone else specifically)

To further explain my original post, I believe it is the intent of the author and his ability to communicate it effectively that makes the difference. The reason I made this post is because somewhere I saw what sounded like a scathing post in response to a new member post telling them they were breaking the rules and their post would be moved. This response post reminded me of the kid left in charge in the 2nd grade classroom while the teacher went to the office. You know, the one who writes people's names on the board for talking and puts check marks beside their name for any infraction. That is not my idea of the way to welcome new players to the game. We can do better that that. To be good ambassadors to the game we should not just post something that basically says, "You are a dumb asss and should never post here until you fully understand everything about where to post, do not make any mistakes, and are prepared to commit suicide if you do." These types of posts are not beneficial to anyone and tend to cause defensiveness on the part of the other person. If the "Quasi-Moderator" is going to take the time to reply to "help" another community member, then they should be able to take the time to help them properly by giving direction and instruction of how to post in the proper way.

Another issue that has arisen is the problem of the posting of the same topic several times. If a "Quasi-Moderator" takes it upon himself to post a response pointing out that there is already another post that covers a particular topic, it is not beneficial to verbally assault the author of the new post and tell them how many times the topic has been posted since the inception of the forums. This type of posting response appears to be more about the anger issues of the author of the response post than helping someone else. I suppose a good rule of thumb for these types of people would be to ask themselves how they would feel if someone responded to them the way they are about to respond to the post author. If there is ANY DOUBT that the response post would be helpful or beneficial to those they are trying to help, then they need to take the time to reword it. If the responder is merely posting to vent due to their own annoyance level and is too angry to post reasonably and helpfully, then the community would be better served if they chose not to post at all.

Oh, and for the record Aegis, the posts of yours that I have read have been well worded and helpful. If I missed any of the angry posts please let me know and I will be glad to amend my statement.

Edited by GrizzlyViking, 27 May 2012 - 05:37 AM.

[Aegis Kleais]

GrizzlyViking, on 27 May 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

Maybe I need to clarify some here as I may not have been in the best frame of mind when posting or fully considering the breadth of the topic. I think some posts by certain people who are respectful and have good communication skills are of benefit to the community. This would be someone like you Aegis.

(NOTE: remarks below are not directed at you, Aegis, or anyone else specifically)

To further explain my original post, I believe it is the intent of the author and his ability to communicate it effectively that makes the difference. The reason I made this post is because somewhere I saw what sounded like a scathing post in response to a new member post telling them they were breaking the rules and their post would be moved. This response post reminded me of the kid left in charge in the 2nd grade classroom while the teacher went to the office. You know, the one who writes people's names on the board for talking and puts check marks beside their name for any infraction. That is not my idea of the way to welcome new players to the game. We can do better that that. To be good ambassadors to the game we should not just post something that basically says, "You are a dumb asss and should never post here until you fully understand everything about where to post, do not make any mistakes, and are prepared to commit suicide if you do." These types of posts are not beneficial to anyone and tend to cause defensiveness on the part of the other person. If the "Quasi-Moderator" is going to take the time to reply to "help" another community member, then they should be able to take the time to help them properly by giving direction and instruction of how to post in the proper way.

Another issue that has arisen is the problem of the posting of the same topic several times. If a "Quasi-Moderator" takes it upon himself to post a response pointing out that there is already another post that covers a particular topic, it is not beneficial to verbally assault the author of the new post and tell them how many times the topic has been posted since the inception of the forums. This type of posting response appears to be more about the anger issues of the author of the response post than helping someone else. I suppose a good rule of thumb for these types of people would be to ask themselves how they would feel if someone responded to them the way they are about to respond to the post author. If there is ANY DOUBT that the response post would be helpful or beneficial to those they are trying to help, then they need to take the time to reword it. If the responder is merely posting to vent due to their own annoyance level and is too angry to post reasonably and helpfully, then the community would be better served if they chose not to post at all.

Oh, and for the record Aegis, the posts of yours that I have read have been well worded and helpful. If I missed any of the angry posts please let me know and I will be glad to amend my statement.

I think I know what you're talking about.

It's the type of person who abuses power, even when it's something as menial as "watching the class while the teacher takes a dump".

Like the stereotypical "Mall Cop" who takes his job way too seriously or repeatedly oversteps his bounds of responsibility because he feels his job encompasses more than it does. OK, THAT, I can see being problematic. Yeah, you wouldn't want someone like that harping on someone else for any extended duration. I guess some people like that are just very willful and part of their mannerisms is to just force their will on others.

[Jason Phoenix]

Some people are just working too dam hard to upp their Post Count...

Hmmm... Well, thats 1 more for me heh

(your dam right about that tho)