33 replies to this topic

[vettie]

what no "ALL" option?

[Voridan Atreides]

Orzorn, on 19 February 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Because SRMs are probably a bit too brutally efficient (And LRMs a bit too brutally inefficient, especially with ECM and the current map designs).

SRMs are so damn light, they really support huge engine sizes.

MWO does favor SRMs over LRMs right now.

vettie, on 19 February 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

what no "ALL" option?

Just select them all

Metafox, on 19 February 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

I was going based on the hardpoints in the java mechbay program. I assume that they got those hardpoints from somewhere and the program has been correct in the past. According to my information, the 5J and the 5N will have an extra missile hardpoint in the right torso (and the 5S will have an extra missile hardpoint in the left arm). I guess it won't matter once the trebuchet is out, just be sure to check all of the variants before you buy.

Okay thanks.

[Murrdox]

The 7K has some promise based on the adjustment to the PPC and its effect on ECM. I'd be tempted to try removing the SRM 2 and the AC 5, and put on an LRM-10 with Artemis, and jack up the engine as fast as it can go.

Plunk something with the PPC, follow-up with an LRM barrage, run away, rinse and repeat.

[Lightfoot]

I would have to start liking MWO's LRMs, but I might try that with the Trebuchet. Centurion does SRMs fine.

[Wittyname Terribad]

If jump jets = yes, then purchase = yes

7M looks like its gonna pricey off the gitgo, but to have what is essentially a flying 4SP will be superfun

[Poisoner]

The 5J should be a good med laser boat.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Quote

TBT-7M; 2xLRM15, 3x medium lasers 1x NARC Jumpjets DHS, ES, XL...........(3M 3E JJ)
TBT-3C; 2x LRM15, 4x Medium laser, CASE, DHS, Endosteel, XL, Artemis.....(2M 4E Artemis)
TBT-5J; 1x LRM15, 3x Medium laser, jump jets..................................................(1M 3E JJ)
TBT-5N; 2x LRM15 3x Medium laser...................................................................(2M 3E)
TBT-7K. 1x PPC, 1x AC-5, 1x SRM-2..................................................................(1E 1B 1M)

The 5J is a watered down version of the 7M, with less hardpoints.
The 5N has the same issue, and no jump jets to boot.

This leaves the 7M, 3C, and 7K as possible options.

• The 7M brings a lot to the table; speed, 6 actual hardpoints, and arm mounted weaponry. I imagine we will see a lot of 3x Md + 3x SSRM2.
  
• The 3C is like a high speed HBK-4SP, however any but the most diehard speed-freaks may be turned off by the asymmetrical hardpoint layout, which could make targeting more difficult, especially if using dumbfire weapons.
  
• The 7K looks sketchy. It only has 3 hardpoints, which means it must carry heavy weapons to be effective, this will negatively impact its ability to carry a large engine. It seems that whatever role this mech attempts it will be overshadowed by a Cicada, Hunchback, or Centurion. This is an instance where model design and hitbox location could make or break this mech.

[Ngamok]

Looking at the specs, the 5N and the 7K have better torso twist, hmmmm.

Also for Agent 0 Fortune:

- Hardpoints:
- Left Arm: 2 Energy
- Right Torso: 1 Missile, 1 AMS
- Right Arm: 3 Energy

the 5N.

- Hardpoints:
- Left Torso: 2 Ballistic
- Right Torso: 2 Energy, 1 AMS
- Right Arm: 2 Missile

the 7K

Edited by Ngamok, 19 February 2013 - 10:50 AM.

[Oni Ralas]

[evilC]

The 5J is not actually as bad as predicted. 5 lasers on the arms plus jumpjets is not too bad.
Will be buying the 7M, 5J and 3C as soon as the patch comes up (Assuming all 3 do not come to more than the 70 million I have saved up, that is)

Kinda gutted about the twist amounts though - a total of 105 degrees for torso and arm twist is a bit of a joke.

Edited by evilC, 19 February 2013 - 10:56 AM.

[P4riah1]

I WAS planning to buy this mech, and was looking forwards to it, but now, I'm not.
We now know the hardpoints:
7M: 3E 3M (Narc)
3C: 4E 2M
5J: 5E 1M
5N: 4E 2M
7K: 2B 2E 2M

I was ASSUMING (how naive of me) that as a dedicated missle boat, there would be MAYBE one variant with 3 usable missle hardpoints.

The 3C or 5N variants are pointless if you have a Hunch 4SP or Cent AL. Strictly worse.
The 7K is the same as the Cent D.
The 5J is strictly worse than the Hunch 4J, with same lasers and one less missile. It's even got a right-side heavy loadout, just like the hunch.
And the 7M is the worst of the lot. Strictly worse. It's effectively got 3E 2M, because a Narc port on it's own location is WORTHLESS. Narc is worthless, and a missile slot with only 1 missile port is worthless for anything else.

Worse of all, every Treb variant has 15 degree arm movement. Terrible.
They do get bigger engines and JJs, but honestly JJs are not that great as currently implemented, and the only way you're going to fit that engine is to go light on the guns, because this mechs torso profile makes an XL engine dangerous and probably not worth it. They obviously want you to put LRMs on this thing, but LRMs are so heavy you won't have the weight for the big engine anyway.

Edited by P4riah1, 19 February 2013 - 11:14 AM.

[Lee Ving]

P4riah1, on 19 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

Every variant of the treb is strictly inferior to equivalent Centurion and Hunchback variants. There's not a single good reason to buy Any variant of this mech.

Jumpjets are the only reason, just like the spider being junk compared to every other light.

[TheFlyingScotsman]

TBT-7M. The plan is 3ML 3SRM4+Art, but if that ends up being too heavy with full jets, the SRMarts will be SSRMs.

And no, I don't intend to splat. Splatting does only two things: Trolls the guy you shoot and proves how lazy you are. :3

NARC is not mandatory, it is a floating Missile slot.
Trebuchet TBT-7M

- Tonnage: 50
- Engine: 250 XL
- Max Engine Rating: 325
- Top Speed: 81 kph
- Torso Movement:
- 90 degrees to each side
- 25 degrees up and down
- Arm Movement:
- 15 degrees to each side
- 40 degrees up and down
- Armor: 240 (Standard)
- Weapons & Equipment:
- Left Arm: Medium Laser, LRM 15
- Left Torso: Narc Beacon, CASE
- Right Torso: LRM 15, CASE
- Right Arm: Medium Laser x 2
- Hardpoints:
- Left Arm: 1 Energy, 1 Missile
- Left Torso: 1 Missile
- Right Torso: 1 Missile, 1 AMS
- Right Arm: 2 Energy
- Internal Structure: Endo Steel
- Heat Sinks: 10 Double
- Jump Jets: 5
- ECM Capable?: No
- Module Slots: 2

Edited by TheFlyingScotsman, 19 February 2013 - 11:20 AM.

[P4riah1]

Lee Ving, on 19 February 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Jumpjets are the only reason, just like the spider being junk compared to every other light.

Indeed. I edited my post to note that.

TheFlyingScotsman, on 19 February 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

TBT-7M. The plan is 3ML 3SRM4+Art, but if that ends up being too heavy with full jets, the SRMarts will be SSRMs.

One of your SRM4s will be dribbling out of the NARC port one missle at a time. Useless.

The 3SSRM variant is a possibility. Maybe with a PPC and the new sensor module (totally buying that. First useful module for me to spend some of my 30k GXP on), you can kill some ECM mechs. Still bad if they get close.

They obviously want you to use this mech as a LRM boat with a fast engine, and that MIGHT end up being a good use for it. But not until the maps are more than 2 long range maps out of 8 total. Once we have Caustic Alpine and Desert plus night versions, the longrange/shortrange will be 6/6, and this mech MIGHT be KINDA useful MAYBE. As it is currently, every time I see a medium or light mounting LRMs, they never work out well.

I've been looking forward to this mech for a while, but now I'm just dissapointed. I was hoping for a 3E 3M, but that f*cking Narc port ruined it. Nothing I want to do with this mech that my 4SP doesnt already do, now.

Edited by P4riah1, 19 February 2013 - 11:31 AM.