Ever since closed beta there have been problems with the matchmaking and teams vs pugs.
The pugs claimed they where pugstomped by organized groups.
The teamers complained about the pugs not being able to play a teambased game.
This has been going back and forth ever since besides PGI changed the way matchmaking works significantly over time, resulting in the current MM phase 3 with ELO in place ( or back very soon ^^)
And while ELO made only a short guest action in public till now, the next level of teamers <-> pug hate already arose:
Pugs stated ( absolutely correct by the way) that organized teams on TS still have a big advantage over pug players.
Teamers ( rightfully ) state that with elo in place, even the walkaround of syncdropping for sheduled drops against specific opponent teams is out of the window and therefore any community based tournament, league, ladder, group intern training drop or any similar things.
BUT besides all the hate and different arguments against each other, there is one thing, that could solve the problems of the pugs AND the teamers alike.
Yes, you already guess right: a Lobby system, no matter how crude in an interims implementation.
Why so?
With a lobby in place, teams could be entirely taken off the PUG qeue -> no more pug stomping by premades at all! no more TS coodinated groups vs unorganized teams of lownewolfes!
With a lobby in place teams could shedule their drops without this syncdrop vehicle and even groups smaller than 8 could group play without being sent against PUG's anymore!
Also ELO could unfold its potential to mix pug matches to really interesting matches, which are a challenge for every single pilot participating in a pug match!
The only problem with this solution is:
Many see the lobby feature as a part of CW, which is currently very far down the road.
Also noone knows if PGi even has the slightest intention to allow any kind of sheduled matches one team against a specific other team.
But a crude little lobby has nothing, nada, 0% to do with CW!
Neither would it in any way harm the game, PGI's income or later CW!
But instead it would tie the players even more to MWO by boosting social live in the comunity!
At this point, with ELO at the doorstep yet again pleasing one half of the playerbase ( pugs) while hurting the other half (teamers), while there is a solution at hand that has been used in online games for decades with great success and that would to at least 80% solve the problems of both groups with just one stroke ->
I humbly request your support, puggers and teamers alike, in this request for the a-s-a-p implementeation of an interims lobby system to MWO!
Please help to make PGI understand that we really want this game to be fun for ANY pilot in this community not just the puggers OR the teamers!
Thank you,
Gray
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Dear Puggers, Dear Teamers I Ask Your Support For Mutual Benefit
Started by grayson marik, Feb 20 2013 02:18 PM
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:25 PM
I would probably settle for the ability to sort my mechbays.
That sounds okay though.
Good post op.
Try using paragraphs next time.
That sounds okay though.
Good post op.
Try using paragraphs next time.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:16 PM
M3atloaf reports good result syncing 8 man for scrims here which is not to say a lobby is not needed but at least it looks like you guys can still run your tournaments / events.
Let's see what happens if / when more people try 8 man.
Let's see what happens if / when more people try 8 man.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:54 PM
grayson marik, on 20 February 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:
Ever since closed beta there have been problems with the matchmaking and teams vs pugs.
The pugs claimed they where pugstomped by organized groups.
The teamers complained about the pugs not being able to play a teambased game.
This has been going back and forth ever since besides PGI changed the way matchmaking works significantly over time, resulting in the current MM phase 3 with ELO in place ( or back very soon ^^)
And while ELO made only a short guest action in public till now, the next level of teamers <-> pug hate already arose:
Pugs stated ( absolutely correct by the way) that organized teams on TS still have a big advantage over pug players.
Teamers ( rightfully ) state that with elo in place, even the walkaround of syncdropping for sheduled drops against specific opponent teams is out of the window and therefore any community based tournament, league, ladder, group intern training drop or any similar things.
BUT besides all the hate and different arguments against each other, there is one thing, that could solve the problems of the pugs AND the teamers alike.
Yes, you already guess right: a Lobby system, no matter how crude in an interims implementation.
Why so?
With a lobby in place, teams could be entirely taken off the PUG qeue -> no more pug stomping by premades at all! no more TS coodinated groups vs unorganized teams of lownewolfes!
With a lobby in place teams could shedule their drops without this syncdrop vehicle and even groups smaller than 8 could group play without being sent against PUG's anymore!
Also ELO could unfold its potential to mix pug matches to really interesting matches, which are a challenge for every single pilot participating in a pug match!
The only problem with this solution is:
Many see the lobby feature as a part of CW, which is currently very far down the road.
Also noone knows if PGi even has the slightest intention to allow any kind of sheduled matches one team against a specific other team.
But a crude little lobby has nothing, nada, 0% to do with CW!
Neither would it in any way harm the game, PGI's income or later CW!
But instead it would tie the players even more to MWO by boosting social live in the comunity!
At this point, with ELO at the doorstep yet again pleasing one half of the playerbase ( pugs) while hurting the other half (teamers), while there is a solution at hand that has been used in online games for decades with great success and that would to at least 80% solve the problems of both groups with just one stroke ->
I humbly request your support, puggers and teamers alike, in this request for the a-s-a-p implementeation of an interims lobby system to MWO!
Please help to make PGI understand that we really want this game to be fun for ANY pilot in this community not just the puggers OR the teamers!
Thank you,
Gray
The pugs claimed they where pugstomped by organized groups.
The teamers complained about the pugs not being able to play a teambased game.
This has been going back and forth ever since besides PGI changed the way matchmaking works significantly over time, resulting in the current MM phase 3 with ELO in place ( or back very soon ^^)
And while ELO made only a short guest action in public till now, the next level of teamers <-> pug hate already arose:
Pugs stated ( absolutely correct by the way) that organized teams on TS still have a big advantage over pug players.
Teamers ( rightfully ) state that with elo in place, even the walkaround of syncdropping for sheduled drops against specific opponent teams is out of the window and therefore any community based tournament, league, ladder, group intern training drop or any similar things.
BUT besides all the hate and different arguments against each other, there is one thing, that could solve the problems of the pugs AND the teamers alike.
Yes, you already guess right: a Lobby system, no matter how crude in an interims implementation.
Why so?
With a lobby in place, teams could be entirely taken off the PUG qeue -> no more pug stomping by premades at all! no more TS coodinated groups vs unorganized teams of lownewolfes!
With a lobby in place teams could shedule their drops without this syncdrop vehicle and even groups smaller than 8 could group play without being sent against PUG's anymore!
Also ELO could unfold its potential to mix pug matches to really interesting matches, which are a challenge for every single pilot participating in a pug match!
The only problem with this solution is:
Many see the lobby feature as a part of CW, which is currently very far down the road.
Also noone knows if PGi even has the slightest intention to allow any kind of sheduled matches one team against a specific other team.
But a crude little lobby has nothing, nada, 0% to do with CW!
Neither would it in any way harm the game, PGI's income or later CW!
But instead it would tie the players even more to MWO by boosting social live in the comunity!
At this point, with ELO at the doorstep yet again pleasing one half of the playerbase ( pugs) while hurting the other half (teamers), while there is a solution at hand that has been used in online games for decades with great success and that would to at least 80% solve the problems of both groups with just one stroke ->
I humbly request your support, puggers and teamers alike, in this request for the a-s-a-p implementeation of an interims lobby system to MWO!
Please help to make PGI understand that we really want this game to be fun for ANY pilot in this community not just the puggers OR the teamers!
Thank you,
Gray
I want ELO for public matches AND a lobby, so groups can organize their tournaments... Don't see why one should exclude the other.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:51 PM
Django Jr, on 20 February 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:
I want ELO for public matches AND a lobby, so groups can organize their tournaments... Don't see why one should exclude the other.
So do I :-)
ELO is a good thing and will improve matches for sure.
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