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[Livewyr]

Anyone else think they should disrupt locks (including missile locks) for 2-3 seconds as well?
Seems now that ECM is so easily countered by the newly buffed PPCs and ERPPCs, nobody brings it any more, and therefore we have the return of the Missile boat.

I think PPCs should disrupt them too.

[ICEFANG13]

I think that would be really cool, but LRMs are already a little less effective than the PPC anyway. I mean why take LRMs when you can just take a reliable PPC?

[Brilig]

I have not had to opportunity to play much since the patch. Are you serious when you say people are not bothering to run mechs with ECM?

[Thirdstar]

Brilig, on 21 February 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:

I have not had to opportunity to play much since the patch. Are you serious when you say people are not bothering to run mechs with ECM?

I'm sure that's what he's experienced but my matches have had plenty of ECM in them.

[Vrekgar]

Hes troll baiting. ECM is MORE prevalent.

[Livewyr]

Vrekgar, on 21 February 2013 - 02:13 AM, said:

Hes troll baiting. ECM is MORE prevalent.

Actually.. I'm not.. in the last 5 matches, I've seen 7 ECM mechs.. (and 5 of them were 3Ls)

There used to be 2-5 per match.

[ICEFANG13]

I mean PPC whatever, mechs that can run ECM will always do so unless the slots+weight is equal to its power and/or it has a drawback. Just because PPCs can work on it, doesn't mean that the 2 slots and 1.5 tons you 'wasted' for 4 seconds is so much to make a difference.

[Inyc]

It must be because my enemy teams have been hogging all the ECM. 4 per team minimum.

[Vrekgar]

Livewyr, on 21 February 2013 - 02:14 AM, said:

Actually.. I'm not.. in the last 5 matches, I've seen 7 ECM mechs.. (and 5 of them were 3Ls)

There used to be 2-5 per match.

Thats what I said. Theres More ECM than before. Not less. PPC's arent changing anything now, if your mounting PPC's to take out the ECM then why not just keep using the PPC instead of mounting another weapon and try and use that?

3L's are the real problem with the ECM at the moment because only other 3L's counter them, 2d's generally loose 1v1.

DDC's have enough armor that they can still tank very effectively.

[KarrRadane]

Livewyr, on 21 February 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

Anyone else think they should disrupt locks (including missile locks) for 2-3 seconds as well?
Seems now that ECM is so easily countered by the newly buffed PPCs and ERPPCs, nobody brings it any more, and therefore we have the return of the Missile boat.

I think PPCs should disrupt them too.

No leave missiles as they are, they have had enough nerfing. Otherwise we will want to nerf the PPCs and ERPPCs as they will become too powerful!

Edited by KarrRadane, 21 February 2013 - 02:19 AM.

[WolvesX]

Livewyr, on 21 February 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

Anyone else think they should disrupt locks (including missile locks) for 2-3 seconds as well?
Seems now that ECM is so easily countered by the newly buffed PPCs and ERPPCs, nobody brings it any more, and therefore we have the return of the Missile boat.

I think PPCs should disrupt them too.

1/10
ECM is still the most powerfull item.

[Khobai]

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No leave missiles as they are, they have had enough nerfing.

How were missiles nerfed at all? Missiles were never really nerfed and that's the whole problem. Instead of nerfing missiles they added ECM to bandaid the overpowered missile problem. So now you either have to have ECM or you die to overpowered missiles.

Instead what they should've done was balance missiles without ECM and then ECM just should've had no effect on missiles whatsoever. AMS is the only piece of equipment that should affect missiles.

[Yokaiko]

Vrekgar, on 21 February 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

Thats what I said. Theres More ECM than before. Not less. PPC's arent changing anything now, if your mounting PPC's to take out the ECM then why not just keep using the PPC instead of mounting another weapon and try and use that?

3L's are the real problem with the ECM at the moment because only other 3L's counter them, 2d's generally loose 1v1.

DDC's have enough armor that they can still tank very effectively.

I heard there was a new mech, called a trenchsomething ..

It does pretty decent at Raven smacking. I heard.


Honestly I saw more Jenners than Raven, but I only played yesterday morning.

[Vrekgar]

Khobai, on 21 February 2013 - 02:23 AM, said:

How were missiles nerfed at all? Missiles were never really nerfed and that's the whole problem. Instead of nerfing missiles they added ECM to bandaid the overpowered missile problem. So now you either have to have ECM or you die to overpowered missiles.

Instead what they should've done was balance missiles without ECM and then ECM just should've had no effect on missiles whatsoever. AMS is the only piece of equipment that should affect missiles.

Missiles were nerfed hard after the debacle of the Artemis Release. Dropped down to 1.5 dmg, Flattened the arc so they didnt go up at all, slowed them down, spread the grouping so wide half would miss an atlas standing still, made them so unable to turn that an atlas could juke an entire flight of missiles by walking towards them.

For a week after Artemis they were broken. They had super high top down arcs, super tight laser grouping, and bypassed armor so they just blew the heads of anything they were shot at. This was fixed.

They have since been fixed to close to what they were before artemis came out.

[Yokaiko]

Khobai, on 21 February 2013 - 02:23 AM, said:

How were missiles nerfed at all? Missiles were never really nerfed and that's the whole problem. Instead of nerfing missiles they added ECM to bandaid the overpowered missile problem. So now you either have to have ECM or you die to overpowered missiles.

Instead what they should've done was balance missiles without ECM and then ECM just should've had no effect on missiles whatsoever. AMS is the only piece of equipment that should affect missiles.

LRM has been nerfed.

In CB they had a ninety degree down angle and didn't lose lock with LoS.


In comparison, LRM is pretty tame now.

[Livewyr]

Vrekgar, on 21 February 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

Thats what I said. Theres More ECM than before. Not less. PPC's arent changing anything now, if your mounting PPC's to take out the ECM then why not just keep using the PPC instead of mounting another weapon and try and use that?

3L's are the real problem with the ECM at the moment because only other 3L's counter them, 2d's generally loose 1v1.

DDC's have enough armor that they can still tank very effectively.

I think you misunderstand.. I saw 7ECM mechs over the course of 5 matches.. (and there was only one in this last one I was just in) instead of the 15-25 ECM mechs over 5 matches..)

WolvesX, on 21 February 2013 - 02:22 AM, said:

1/10
ECM is still the most powerfull item.

On the raven, yes.. but it doesn't matter on DDC anymore.. they just get PPC'd and missiled.. if they're even used..

Yokaiko, on 21 February 2013 - 02:24 AM, said:

I heard there was a new mech, called a trenchsomething ..

It does pretty decent at Raven smacking. I heard.


Honestly I saw more Jenners than Raven, but I only played yesterday morning.

Last night was raven city... (including this stupid little 3L raven troll squad)

[Adridos]

Livewyr, on 21 February 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

I think PPCs should disrupt them too.

Please, no Blizzard level incopetence when it comes to balance. You don't fix something by breaking another.

You see, with ECM/lock counter and more damage potential than any ballistic build could hope to achieve, you create a new FotM OP weapon everyone has to use... and then we'd get PPCs nerfed to the ground and ECM will become king again and...

[GalaxyBluestar]

Livewyr, on 21 February 2013 - 02:14 AM, said:

Actually.. I'm not.. in the last 5 matches, I've seen 7 ECM mechs.. (and 5 of them were 3Ls)

There used to be 2-5 per match.

that's called balance... you really think ecm is too nerfed?

[OneEyed Jack]

I've seen a decrease in ECM since the patch, but I put it down mostly to people leveling their Trebs, which can't carry it. But I've noticed a lasting decline since last patch when suddenly the crappy light drivers discovered their 3Ls weren't immune to direct fire, anymore.

[Thirdstar]

I just came out of a match that had 2 Jenners and a Raven 3L on the enemy team and not a single light on mine. Guess which team got pasted.

But, to the matchmakers credit, we killed everything that wasn't a light.