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[SmarmySam]

Hey guys

OK this is my flame config

Biggest XL engine i can fit (i run at 104KPH elited out).
2x Flamers
1x Streak2s
1xLBX10

I love this config its great for running down lights, only hassle is lights with ECM because my streaks dont lock.

I love spamming my flames, it obscures things visually and gives people like awesomes and laser heavy rigs a lot of heat problems. I can run rings around people and make them poop themselves and overheat while the cavalry comes in and takes them out.

The thing is though, i get trolled heaps for my rig. People in game tell me "you're an *****" "you know nothing, you run two flamers what a fool" etc.

I have had some complements too like "nice to see a flame with flamers!" so its not all bad!

I like my rig. Ive done some sick damage had some awesome games with fun team play especially with my mates. Sometimes i only do like 100 damage a game, but i have a great time running down lights and really help my team mates out, i've had totally crazy games where i do 500 damage in it.

So whats with all the hate? Admittedly its the internet, and some people are adamant they know better than you about XYZ. So feel free to discuss, and haters by all means hate. I love drinking the sweet nectar that is the tears of baby trolls

Edited by SmarmySam, 26 April 2013 - 03:10 PM.

[TungstenWall]

Its ok... id say your about 2.3 Raditz

[lilslugger]

I've been thinking of making a speedy mech class and going with 2xflamers or more (depending on what I'm allowed with the mech I get) and just sprinting circles around them torching them and leaving them in an eternal state of overheating until someone heavier gets there to blow them up.

I say, let the haters hate, they only hate because you've found something that works for you and they don't like it when others are happy.

[SmarmySam]

lilslugger, on 26 April 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

I've been thinking of making a speedy mech class and going with 2xflamers or more (depending on what I'm allowed with the mech I get) and just sprinting circles around them torching them and leaving them in an eternal state of overheating until someone heavier gets there to blow them up.

Thanks for the feedback. I honestly wouldnt recommend more than 2 flamers because it puts a pressure on your heat as well. Sometimes when i go bananas i have heat issues myself, i just see.... red !

[One Medic Army]

I can honestly say that if you're having any success with that build one of these following reasons is to blame:

• People are ignoring you as soon as they see your loadout
  
• You are playing in low Elo tiers
  
• Your personal skills are so massive that they can overcome even that build

I get the idea of using a flamer to obscure vision and make it hard for people to see, I get that you're using it to cause heat to enemies.
The problem is that flamers cause more heat to the firer than to the person being fired upon, and deal no damage worth noting.

Then there's the LBX, which isn't complete garbage, but isn't nearly as good as Gauss, AC/2, AC/20, UAC/5, or even AC/10.

Let me be explicitly clear here, it is completely possible to do well with any weapons system that actually deals damage, however the thresholds for user skill and enemy incompetence vary.

[SmarmySam]

One Medic Army, on 26 April 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

The problem is that flamers cause more heat to the firer than to the person being fired upon, and deal no damage worth noting.

Then there's the LBX, which isn't complete garbage, but isn't nearly as good as Gauss, AC/2, AC/20, UAC/5, or even AC/10.

Let me be explicitly clear here, it is completely possible to do well with any weapons system that actually deals damage, however the thresholds for user skill and enemy incompetence vary.

Yeah look the LBX i use that because - if I'm close to heavies, I'll hit them full spread. If i'm engaging a light, i will at least hit them with something. I could miss a fullshot if i used an AC/10 so thats a practical thing for what im trying to do.

The heat I suffer running flamers annoys me. Yep.

I have to make smart decisions in this rig. It certainly isnt for everything. At least I have the speed to flee if i'm in the poo, and i love weaving through and disrupting enemy lines then bolting.

And yes people do sometimes ignore me but that's great, that makes me happy, especially with my profile. I'm not a big fan of the large profile but i do like the dragon!

Edited by SmarmySam, 26 April 2013 - 03:05 PM.

[Tenzek]

I voted as harshly as possible just because I am super elite and know everything.

[Ser Barristan]

I hope you burninate the countryside, the peasants, all the people and their thatched roof cottages.

[Zordicron]

Some of these reply made me lol.

Run whats fun. Bottom line. I have that hunchback that can tote like what 9 lasers or something, i put a flamer in the head slot, just to have flamer face. It does catch people by surprise too when they decide to turn a brawl into a hug.
my favorite though was getting hunch'd(torso blown off) at the end of a match, and being one of 2 mechs left vs this catpult off on a hill.

Turns out, it was a LRM boat A1 with no backup weapons. So I ran straight at him to close the gap, took one salvo of LRM, and wouldnt you know, got my other arm(and only laser left) taken off. So it's me and my face flamer vs LRM pult that cant shoot me anymore because he has no short range weapon. So he turns to run, and I chase him (I could do about 5k faster then him) face flamer engage! I chased him half way across foret colony torching his *** until my half dead team mate could come out from behind come cover and laser him to death. I LOL the whole time, thinking (from final fantasy 3) "Run Run or you'll be well done!!!" I can only imagine what the pult driver was thinking. "OMG, I am going to get cored slowly over the next 5 minutes by a troll face flamer I can't outrun."

PLus they are fun to look at, especially when it shoots out of your face. lol, I fire it off so often for no reason i think my ACC is like 4% lol.

So bug off to the haters, if you like it, run it!

[Royalewithcheese]

What you should do is put the two Flamers in a DDC, along with an AC/20, a Machine Gun, and SRM18. The idea is that you walk towards them spamming your Flamers and Machine Gun, they don't bother to target you and get overconfident, and then BOOM SURPRISE REAL GUNS. Of course, you're still better off with real weapons, but it would be hilarious if someone fell for it.

Edited by Royalewithcheese, 26 April 2013 - 03:53 PM.

[Barghest Whelp]

Just one little thing. Replace that LB-10X with a machine gun and you're good to roll with the pro's.

[aniviron]

Any decent light will be able to run from the flamers.

Someone needs to give this man inferno SRMs.

[SmarmySam]

aniviron, on 26 April 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Any decent light will be able to run from the flamers.

Someone needs to give this man inferno SRMs.

Yeah I'm more chasing down lights with the SRMs and the LBX really, I do get some licks on them with the flames, but its more useful for getting up the back of atlases and making them feel the burn

[Lefty Lucy]

lilslugger, on 26 April 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

I've been thinking of making a speedy mech class and going with 2xflamers or more (depending on what I'm allowed with the mech I get) and just sprinting circles around them torching them and leaving them in an eternal state of overheating until someone heavier gets there to blow them up.

I say, let the haters hate, they only hate because you've found something that works for you and they don't like it when others are happy.

This sentence tells me you have no idea how flamers work.

@OP: your build is bad. There is no mincing words, but any team that you are on is at a significant disadvantage because your build does not do damage efficiently, and flamers do not actually function to heat up the target significantly. I would highly suggest you re-think your build.

[lilslugger]

SmarmySam, on 26 April 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

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Thanks for the feedback. I honestly wouldnt recommend more than 2 flamers because it puts a pressure on your heat as well. Sometimes when i go bananas i have heat issues myself, i just see.... red !

Never really used flamers before, but they seem like they would be practical if they didn't cause as much heat to you as well.. I mean, the flames are coming out of you, in any flame thrower there is a gap between the barrel and the actual flame where the oxygen is introduced therefore the heat at the barrel would be lower than that of the flame at full capacity burning away from the shooter at the enemy..

Lefty Lucy, on 26 April 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

This sentence tells me you have no idea how flamers work.

@OP: your build is bad. There is no mincing words, but any team that you are on is at a significant disadvantage because your build does not do damage efficiently, and flamers do not actually function to heat up the target significantly. I would highly suggest you re-think your build.

You're right, I've only one owned mech and that is a stalker with lasers ssrm's and erppcs, my reply was generated in theory..

[Zordicron]

Lefty Lucy, on 26 April 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

@OP: your build is bad. There is no mincing words, but any team that you are on is at a significant disadvantage because your build does not do damage efficiently, and flamers do not actually function to heat up the target significantly. I would highly suggest you re-think your build.

So, MWO is only fun if you bring the most l33t weapons and win? Dammit I have been doing this wrong all along!!

[One Medic Army]

Eldagore, on 26 April 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

So, MWO is only fun if you bring the most l33t weapons and win? Dammit I have been doing this wrong all along!!

You're talking to someone who ran a Dragon all last night. Just pointing that out.

There's sub-optimal, and then there's downright bad.

[Macheiron]

I took the theory and plugged it into Smurfy. This FLAME was the result. I may have to put this on my 1C and trololol for a while, I don't think it's quite as bad as some are suggesting.

This FLAME is another option with the same theory in mind that may be slightly more reliable for damage. Maybe.

[Lefty Lucy]

Eldagore, on 26 April 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

So, MWO is only fun if you bring the most l33t weapons and win? Dammit I have been doing this wrong all along!!

There are "fun" build that can still be an asset to the team (I really enjoy my 3LL 2 UAC5 Atlas D), but when you bring a mech to the game that is so aggressively bad you're kind of being a jerk to your team mates. This *is* a team game.

[TOGSolid]

Lefty Lucy, on 26 April 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

There are "fun" build that can still be an asset to the team (I really enjoy my 3LL 2 UAC5 Atlas D), but when you bring a mech to the game that is so aggressively bad you're kind of being a jerk to your team mates. This *is* a team game.

Something that a lot of people don't seem to understand sadly.

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gives people like awesomes and laser heavy rigs a lot of heat problems. I

Except they don't. They cause more heat to you than they do to what you're shooting at and don't cause all that much heat build up on your target. The only thing causing heat problems is their own constant alpha striking.

LB10-Xs have bugged crits and awful spread. I'm pretty sure even the damage on them is glitched because two at point blank don't hurt nearly as much as they should.

The only saving grace on your mech is that Streaks are still bugged and seek only the CT.

I'm glad you're having fun with it but you do have to remember that when you show up with a build that is objectively bad that you're hurting the team. It's ok to show up with non-min/maxed builds or gimmick builds like a triple AC/2 Dragon, but these builds can still be an asset to the team as long as the player is skilled enough.

If you want to rejigger your Dragon as a funsy shotgun mech then may I suggest an LB-10X, two SRM4s, and two MLAS?