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[PEEFsmash]

"I hate boaters! I hate min/maxers! I hate capping! I hate those CHEESE BUILDS! I hate elitist pros! I hate dying to people who shoot me! And for God's sake I don't want the game balanced for competitive players!"
- Average Forumgoer

Let's make a que for you. The que can be called "Casual Players Que" or "Play for Fun, Not to Win Que." You can all gather there, and use suboptimal builds, never cap, blah blah blah.

Meanwhile, everyone else can go into the "Playing to Win Que" where our intent is to satisfy the win conditions clearly stated at the beginning of the game. We will make it our job to destroy the enemy mechs or capture the enemy base. We will utilize our mechlabs to the best of our ability, and we will enter the battlefield with those mechs that we think will satisfy the win conditions, not mechs with crap loadouts that were piloted by some fantasy character from a 30 year old book. Best part? The people in this que won't seemingly be INCREDIBLY SURPRISED after every match that a bunch of people used good builds. No, good builds will be expected, because this que is for satisfying win conditions.

I make this suggestion seriously. If you hate boaters/min maxers/competitive "elitist" worshipers of the Mighty Church of Skill, you really shouldn't be playing in the same que as players who wish to go onto the battlefield and satisfy win conditions. You must be playing by some series of rules that is unbeknownst to me and others who play to win. I must have missed the rule, "Come on don't ONLY use good weapons!" or the "Don't use your hardpoints to their MAXIMAL utility!" rule. Someone point me to what seems to be a favorite rule around here, "Don't equip weapons that are OPTIMAL for playing your role! Throw in some other stuff too!" Or this one, "Use mechs that are FUN for ME to play against!"

Players playing under these above rules and other unspoken, unwritten (aka nonexistant) rules really shouldn't be forced to play under the simple and not-restrictive-enough ruleset of "Destroy Enemy Mechs or Capture Enemy Base." People who play only to satisfy ONLY those two win conditions should be separated from people with a more clever eye for an invisible set of rules that the "elitist competitive tryhards" fail to see on the loading screen.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 09 July 2013 - 06:40 PM.

[Krazy Kat]

Your Elo rating should put you where you want to be, in theory. Play crazy mechs, get low Elo score.

The problem with this idea would be with trolls who have alt accounts. How would you stop them from stomping?

[FupDup]

Krazy Kat, on 09 July 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Your Elo rating should put you where you want to be, in theory. Play crazy mechs, get low Elo score.

The problem with this idea would be with trolls who have alt accounts. How would you stop them from stomping?

There's also douchemonkies that would mount up in the "Play For Fun" que with 4 PPC Stalkers and the like.

[Unbound Inferno]

Eh, a half bad idea to be honest. For now anyway - the game's not popular enough to have enough of a variety to be split like that.

realistically though, it would work.


But I'd do it differently;


PvE
PvP


There, we're good.

[Corvus Antaka]

dont feed the troll

[PEEFsmash]

Krazy Kat, on 09 July 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Your Elo rating should put you where you want to be, in theory. Play crazy mechs, get low Elo score.

The problem with this idea would be with trolls who have alt accounts. How would you stop them from stomping?

People who stomp in bad ques? They won't be getting any better that way. This is more about getting people who don't play to win out of a que that has specific win conditions.

[Unbound Inferno]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 09 July 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

dont feed the troll

But, its too much fun.

[Damocles69]

PEEFsmash, on 09 July 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

People who stomp in bad ques? They won't be getting any better that way. This is more about getting people who don't play to win out of a que that has specific win conditions.

troll post is troll. /ignore

[kesuga7]

well there are 'optimal builds every other patch

Raven 3l - Splatkats - poptarts - Lrm's - ac 40 jaggers - PPC






Peef you didn't happen to be in one of my matches when i was playing a pug dragon were you

nothing personal if it was or wasn't you

Edited by kesuga7, 09 July 2013 - 07:09 PM.

[HansBlix WMD]

You want to make separate que?

(Que is Spanish for the questioning "what". I believe the word you're looking for is queue.)

[PEEFsmash]

kesuga7, on 09 July 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

Peef you didn't happen to be in one of my matches when i was playing a pug dragon were you

nothing personal if it was or wasn't you

I don't remember. I play lots of matches. I don't know what you mean by "nothing personal" either lol.

HansBlix WMD, on 09 July 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

You want to make separate que?

(Que is Spanish for the questioning "what". I believe the word you're looking for is queue.)

Que has become internet jargon for queue, so although you're right, I'm using internet language on the internet.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Que? Is certainly my question.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

I'm saying we just eliminate Elo all together and create a Halo 2 style ranking system.

Bads who play for fun stay low level,
Serious players will climb the ranks to fight people as good as they are.

Fixed.

[PEEFsmash]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 09 July 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

I'm saying we just eliminate Elo all together and create a Halo 2 style ranking system.

Bads who play for fun stay low level,
Serious players will climb the ranks to fight people as good as they are.

Fixed.

I think that's what they are trying to do with this matchmaking system, but it isn't quite working as intended.

[Rebas Kradd]

Every game eventually has to face the dreaded "serious vs casual" dichotomy.

[kesuga7]

I don't remember. I play lots of matches. I don't know what you mean by "nothing personal" either lol.



Well i got called a "asishole pug complainer" after i "complained' about seismic sensor after finding the entire team waiting for me behind a canon rock on canyon network map

all i remember it was a p name or something
that's why i said nothing personal if it was you (or not)

Edited by kesuga7, 09 July 2013 - 08:07 PM.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

PEEFsmash, on 09 July 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

I think that's what they are trying to do with this matchmaking system, but it isn't quite working as intended.

Unfortunately, they're keeping Elo hidden because people who suck dont like being told they suck

[kesuga7]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 09 July 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Unfortunately, they're keeping Elo hidden because people who suck dont like being told they suck

Does Elo really determine your skill?
or the strength of the build you are using such as today's ppc boat/highlander ppc+gauss

[Mystere]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 09 July 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Unfortunately, they're keeping Elo hidden because people who suck dont like being told they suck

More likely it's to prevent discussions devolving into e-peen contests.

[TehSBGX]

The min/max play to win crowd would so abuse the hell out of that.