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[Corusmaximus]

For LRM boats, is Artemis worth it currently?

I know about this thread http://mwomercs.com/...temis-worth-it/
But it is hopelessly out of date, it was written back when people had to pay for ammo refills, and Artemis ammo cost a bunch more.

In today's meta, does it make sense?

About my situation:
I play PUGs only.
Running a slow Stalker 3H with LRM 50 and 4 Mlas.

Thanks

[scJazz]

Corusmaximus, on 11 July 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

About my situation:
I play PUGs only.
Running a slow Stalker 3H with LRM 50 and 4 Mlas.

Thanks

Artemis and TAG more or less required in your case.

[Darwins Dog]

I would say yes to your case. The faster lock-on time will help with unreliable targeting (no comms means you don't know how long they will hold a lock for you), and your damage will be more focused so you will be able to make the most of your volleys.

[Ronan]

I don't do "boats", I do do (heheheh do do) PUGs, and if I can fit it I also do Artemis. On LRMs and SRMs. More missiles from each volley hit, making your ammo "do more" per ton.

YMMV, for me it is an improvement.

Tho, heck, its only CBills, track your damage now, then slap it on and try it for a while. Compare your end-of-round damage totals to without it. Or your kill count with and without.

[Modo44]

Yes, you want Artemis and TAG. You might also want to swap the torso LRM launchers for streaks+BAP. You can not count on team members to keep you safe from lights, so bring your own flyswatter.

[Just wanna play]

Corusmaximus, on 11 July 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

For LRM boats, is Artemis worth it currently?

I know about this thread http://mwomercs.com/...temis-worth-it/
But it is hopelessly out of date, it was written back when people had to pay for ammo refills, and Artemis ammo cost a bunch more.

In today's meta, does it make sense?

About my situation:
I play PUGs only.
Running a slow Stalker 3H with LRM 50 and 4 Mlas.

Thanks

yes it is very worth it because with out it you are likely causing missile to miss and hit the ground, also causes you to lock on faster helping you fire off missile in right direction before lock disappears, also makes missiles better at following target and might let lock stay longer, either way all in all USE IT

unless this has been changed narc is superior to Artemis, so really if you are working with someone using narc AND you fire all of your missiles in one salvo artemis might not be worth it, but when pugging i highly recommend it

also just so you know in case you arent already use lrm20s in arms and lrm5s in side torsos for best efficiency when firing 50 missile salvos

[Corusmaximus]

I am currently running 20/20/10 which is not optimal but I was planning on going 20/20/5 with artemis. I like to carry a lot of ammo, and i have yet to upgrade to double heatsinks due to lack of funds.

[Just wanna play]

Corusmaximus, on 11 July 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

I am currently running 20/20/10 which is not optimal but I was planning on going 20/20/5 with artemis. I like to carry a lot of ammo, and i have yet to upgrade to double heatsinks due to lack of funds.

hm, either way using 2 lrm 5s instead of an lrm10 will offer one salvo instead of two )with an lrm 10 you fire all except 5 missile in the first salvo then 5 after first 45 are fired, ams will always shoot down those last five if close enough), also will save one ton until you add Artemis (will weigh as much with artemis)

[Lugh]

scJazz, on 11 July 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Artemis and TAG more or less required in your case.

Totally forgot the BAP there too dude...

[TheFlyingScotsman]

always and in every situation.

Artemis makes any/all missiles so very much better.

[Oppresor]

Corusmaximus, on 11 July 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

For LRM boats, is Artemis worth it currently?

I know about this thread http://mwomercs.com/...temis-worth-it/
But it is hopelessly out of date, it was written back when people had to pay for ammo refills, and Artemis ammo cost a bunch more.

In today's meta, does it make sense?

About my situation:
I play PUGs only.
Running a slow Stalker 3H with LRM 50 and 4 Mlas.

Thanks

I can only say as I have found; I am currently experimenting with Artemis and the LRM 10 system on my second Atlas. It started out as a fire support unit but is slowly following the original Atlas to become another Sniper. I have found that the Artemis system doe's what it says on the can; there is a definite improvement in lock and hit percentage. I know it's only the LRM 10 system, and that as such it's not going to be a battle winner, but I am seeing a real difference even when an enemy Mech try's to take cover.

[Y2kHippy]

Am I the only one to say NO?

Artemis is currently NOT grouping missiles when line of sight is achieved and thus is not making the missiles hit a tighter grouping on target. This is the primary reason for this weapon system to stop the spread of the weapon damage, Yes it is giving a faster lock on time but with that many LRM's being fired at once, I would invest in more ammo instead.

TAG is a great investment and I would recommend this as with BAP, Both to counter and ECM threat either on the designated target or running around your feet. And you need the Advanced Target Decay module.

The Artemis spiral/grouping was taken away from the game in the "Hot Fix" slightly after the "Canyon Valley" patch.

Edited by Y2kHippy, 11 July 2013 - 07:22 PM.

[New Day]

http://www.mechspecs...hp?topic=1577.0

[RLBell]

Faster lock is faster lock. There will come a time when an enemy -D-DC has caught you in a bad place and speed of lock can make the difference between launching outside of minimum range and launching inside of minimum range. If you are really lucky and have room to back pedal, you might even get off two salvoes. One salvo will always hurt, a second salvo may even kill, so I mount both TAG and Artemis IV. Seismic is also a good idea.

To round out the package, I mount a 300XL. It makes my -3H more fragile, but allows it to be where it needs to be and frees up sufficient tonnage to load ten tons of ammo. Two LRM20's and two LRM5's allow the -3H to volley all fifty tubes, at once.

Possibly useful tip, if you fire your LRM's without a lock, they fly to the point indicated by your reticle and rangefinder, so you can hit a shutdown mech that you can see.

[Johnny Reb]

Yes! If you want to be an effective lrm boat you need 3 things and 2 very recommended things!:

1. Artemis
2. Target Decay
3. BAP (it is 2 upgrades in a 1.5ton 2 slot package)
Secondary but still needed/recommended:
1. Tag
2. Jump Jets, not always available but needed if you can have them!

edit: Then you need to get good ground and pick good targets, hence the most important part.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 11 July 2013 - 10:29 PM.

[jimmy990]

come on , my friend. there are a lot of people got a mech with ECM. You cannot use LRM and SSRM to fire them after put button "R". In my opinion, If I can't fire enemy by using LRM and SSRM. Why should I pick it up.......

[arghmace]

jimmy990, on 12 July 2013 - 02:19 AM, said:

come on , my friend. there are a lot of people got a mech with ECM. You cannot use LRM and SSRM to fire them after put button "R". In my opinion, If I can't fire enemy by using LRM and SSRM. Why should I pick it up.......

If you use both TAG and PAB then ECM is really not a problem for LRM or SSRM carriers anymore.

Edited by arghmace, 12 July 2013 - 03:13 AM.

[jimmy990]

arghmace, on 12 July 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

If you use both TAG and PAB then ECM is really not a problem for LRM or SSRM carriers anymore.

I find some mechs are always shining and my target light never become red (if not become red my LRM and SSRM cannot fire).So my LRM and SSRM are not working when I face them. Who can tell me how to resolve this problem?

[scJazz]

Swing your sight away from the target and back onto it. Known bug.

[LordBane]

jimmy990, on 12 July 2013 - 02:19 AM, said:

come on , my friend. there are a lot of people got a mech with ECM. You cannot use LRM and SSRM to fire them after put button "R". In my opinion, If I can't fire enemy by using LRM and SSRM. Why should I pick it up.......

Tag will burn through ECM at > 180m so yea, ECM mechs are a non-issue to LRM boats.