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Welcome to Taro's theorycraft thread! In this post I list mechs that are NOT in MWO yet, and talk about their variants, their hardpoints, and what they would be like in MWO, particularly by providing exact builds.

For battlemechs, I generally try to provide builds best I can using the stock hardpoints. And then I show builds with what I think are the likely inflated hardpoints. For omnimechs, I do each variant one a time, building upon the previous variants as I go. So for instance if there is a Prime, B, and C variant... when I get to the C variant, it will include omnipods for the Prime, B, and C variants. But when I'm doing the B variant, I will not include omnipods for the C variant, because we haven't gotten to the C variant yet. I do this because PGI likes to release omnimechs in alphabetical or chronological order - reinforcement variants are usually later variants, so those builds wouldn't be available on earlier variants unless you bought a reinforcement package.


Wasp, 20-ton IS battlemech

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TRO recolour by ConnorMagill ---- Concept art kitbash by Odanan(?)


The Wasp is the most common mech in the entire Inner Sphere, by a large margin. It's like a baby Commando with jumpjets and more energy hardpoints. It would be smaller than the Commando, about the same speed, but probably more fragile. Though, probably more durable than a Locust. It would probably get an engine cap of 170, in contrast to the 190 that the Locust gets. I would hope for durability quirks to make up for this, as well as a hefty heat dissipation quirk and a few generous cooldown quirks.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
WSP-1A		.	▐	1e	█	-		-		-	█	-	▐	.	1m
WSP-1K		.	▐	1e	█	-		-		1b	█	-	▐	.	.
WSP-1W		.	▐	2e	█	2e		-		2e	█	-	▐	.	.
WSP-3M		.	▐	1e	█	1m		-		-	█	-	▐	.	.
WSP-3S		1e	▐	2e	█	-		-		-	█	-	▐	.	.
WSP-3L		.	▐	1e	█	1m		-		-	█	-	▐	.	.

WSP-1A	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x SNPPC	10	3	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7
1x ERPPC or LPL	10	1	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
3x ML + 2x SRM2 (2.0ton)	10	1	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7
4x ML + 2x RL20	10	1	-	Endo	XL170	137.7
3x ERML + 1x MRM10 (1.0ton)	10	1	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7
1x LL + 2x ERML	10	1	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7
4x ERML	11	2	-	Endo+LFerro	LE170	137.7
---- following builds assume engine inflation: ----
4x ERML	12	1	-	Endo+LFerro	XL180	145.8
4x SL + 2x SRM2 (1.0ton)	11	1	-	Endo+LFerro	XL180	145.8
2x SL + 2x SRM4 (2.0ton)	10	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL180	145.8

WSP-1K	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
3x ERML + 3x LMG (1.5ton)	10	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE170	137.7
3x SL + 3x HMG (2.0ton)	10	1	-	Endo	XL170	137.7
2x MPL + 3x MG (1.5ton)	10	1	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7
2x SPL + 4x MG (2.5ton)	10	2	-	Endo	XL170	137.7

WSP-1W	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
6x ML or SPL or ERML	11	1	-	Endo	XL170	137.7
5x ML or SPL or ERML	11	3	-	Endo	XL170	137.7
6x SL or ERSL	13	1	-	LFerro	XL170	137.7
6x SL or ERSL	12	1	-	Endo	LE170	137.7
3x MPL	10	3	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7
---- following builds assume engine inflation: ----
6x ML or SPL or ERML	10	2	-	Endo+LFerro	XL180	145.8

WSP-3M	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
3x SRM2 (2.5ton) + 3x SL	10	1	-	Endo	XL170	137.7
1x SRM4 + 2x SRM2 (3.5ton)	10	1	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7
3x ML + 2x RL20 + 1x RL15	10	1	-	Endo	XL170	137.7
3x MPL + 3x RL10	10	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL170	137.7

WSP-3S	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x ML or SPL or ERML	10	1	ECM	Endo+LFerro	LE170	137.7
4x ML or SPL or ERML	11	2	ECM	Endo	XL170	137.7
5x ML or SPL	10	1	ECM	Endo	XL170	137.7
5x SL or ERSL	11	2	ECM	Endo	LE170	137.7

WSP-3L	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
3x ML + 2x RL15	10	2	ECM	Endo	XL170	137.7
3x ML + 2x SRM2 (1.0ton)	10	1	ECM	Endo	XL170	137.7

Fire Moth, 20-ton Clan omnimech

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Kitbash below by Odanan


The Fire Moth, or "Dasher", is a staple mech fielded by Clan Ghost Bear. It's the only "Wave 1" mech from the 3050 Clan Invasion that is not in MWO. The reason it is not included is because it goes 174kph with 7.5% speed tweak, and it also has MASC. The Fire Moth is my personal favourite "pet mech" and the mech I want most to be in MWO. I believe that PGI has improved their netcode since the era of the 171kph Commando, and their game can probably handle speeds in excess of 174 by now. So my solution to introducing the Fire Moth is to give it special equipment, I'll call it MASC Mk.0. A unique version of MASC Mk.1 without the speed bonus - only the acceleration bonus. Thus we can have our 174kph Clan Locust of Greater Salt Mining.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
B		.	▐	2b	█	1e		-		-	█	1e	▐	.	.
C		.	▐	1m	█	-		-		-	█	1m	▐	.	.
D		.	▐	2e	█	2e		-		-	█	2e	▐	.	.
Prime		.	▐	1m	█	1m		-		-	█	2e	▐	.	.
H		.	▐	5e	█	-		-		-	█	4e	▐	.	.
K		.	▐	3b 1e	█	-		-		-	█	3b 1e	▐	.	.

Fire Moth (Prime)	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cSRM4 (2.0ton) + 2x cERSL	10	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
2x cSRM2 (1.0ton) + 2x cHML	11	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162

Alt. Config. B	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cHML + 2x cLMG (0.5ton)	11	0	MASC, ECM, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
3x cHML	11	0	MASC, ECM	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
3x cERML + 2x cLMG (0.5ton)	10	0	MASC, ECM	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162

Alt. Config. C	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cSRM6 (2.0ton)	10	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
2x cATM3 (2.0ton)	10	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
3x cSRM4 (2.0ton)	10	0	MASC	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
3x cSRM2 (2.5ton)	11	0	MASC	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162

Alt. Config. D	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
6x cERSL	12	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
5x cSPL or cERML	10	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
4x cHML or cERML	11	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
4x cHML or cERML + 2x cLMG (0.5ton)	10	0	MASC	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162

Alt. Config. H	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
8x cUPL	11	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
8x or 9x cERUL	13	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
2x cHML + 8x cERUL	11	0	MASC	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
6x cHSL	12	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
2x cSRM4 (2.0ton) + 5x cERUL	10	0	MASC	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162

Alt. Config. K	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cHML or cERML + 6x cLMG (1.5ton)	10	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
2x cSPL + 6x cMG (1.5ton)	10	0	MASC, stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
4x cERSL or cHSL + 6x cMG (1.5ton)	10	0	MASC	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
3x cHSL + 5x cMG (1.5ton)	10	0	MASC, ECM	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162
8x cERUL + 3x cMG (1.5ton)	11	0	MASC	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	162

Fire Falcon, 25-ton Clan omnimech

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Artwork below right by Shimmering Sword


The Fire Falcon is supposed to be an upgrade to the Mist Lynx. It's faster, it has more podspace, but it lacks jumpjets. It's shaped kinda like a Locust or a Raven, but really it's just unique. Also, it has a LOT of hardpoint options. This would be a very good mech for MWO and it would perform very well.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
Prime		.	▐	4e	█	-		-		2m	█	1e	▐	.	.
C		.	▐	4b	█	-		-		2m	█	3e	▐	.	.
D		1e	▐	1m	█	-		-		2m	█	1e	▐	.	.
H		.	▐	2e	█	-		2e		-	█	2e	▐	.	.
F		.	▐	2e	█	4b		1e		4b	█	2e	▐	.	.

Fire Falcon (Prime)	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
5x cSPL or cERML	14	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
4x cHML	16	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
5x cERSL/cHSL/cUPL + 2x cSRM2 (1.0ton)	15	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
2x cSRM6a (1.5ton) + 5x cERUL	12	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6

Alt. Config. C	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cSRM2 (1.0ton) + 4x cMG (1.0ton) + 3x cERSL	14	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cHML + 4x cLMG (1.5ton)	14	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
2x cSRM4 (1.5ton) + 4x cMG (1.5ton) + 3x cERUL	13	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
6x cERSL + 2x cSRM2 (1.5ton)	13	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
6x cERSL	16	0	cLAP	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6

Alt. Config. D	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x cSRM4 (2.5ton) + 2x cSPL	12	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cATM3 (4.0ton) + cLTAG	11	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
8x cUPL	15	0	cLAP	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
5x cERSL + 3x cFlamer	15	0	cLAP	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cSRM4 (2.5ton) + 4x cERUL	13	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6

Alt. Config. F	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
5x cERSL + 8x cLMG (3.0ton)	12	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
5x cHSL or cUPL + 8x cMG (3.0ton)	12	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cHML + 8x cLMG (3.0ton)	12	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
5x cERUL + 8x cHMG (4.0ton)	10	0	stock pods	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
8x cERUL + 8x cMG (3.5ton)	12	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cSRM4 (3.0ton) + 4x cMG (1.5ton)	11	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
2x cERLL	12	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6

Alt. Config. H	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
6x cERSL	16	0	stock pods, cLAP	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cERML + 8x cLMG (3.0ton)	12	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cMPL + 6x cLMG (2.0ton)	11	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
5x cSPL or cERML	15	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
6x cSPL or cERML	14	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cSRM2 (2.0ton) + 6x cUPL or cERSL	13	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cSRM2 (2.0ton) + 6x cERUL + 4x cMG (1.5ton)	12	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cLRM5 (2.5ton) + 6x cERSL	11	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6
3x cATM3 (3.5ton) + 6x cERUL	10	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	129.6

Raptor, 25-ton IS omnimech

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The Raptor is an Inner Sphere light omnimech. It comes with a locked XL175, which isn't terrible, and locked Endo, which is nice because it would run into major slot issues if it had locked Ferro as well. 113kph a bit slow though, similar to the Panther. And it's a box on legs, like the Flea. It will need generous quirks to make up for its disadvantages.

The -OF is the only variant with jumpjets. You are forced to take three jumpjets in a side torso, or sacrifice one CT hardpoint to take only a single jumpjet. Since the podspace for this mech is 9.5 tons, I've taken the liberty of stripping the cockpit to zero armour for a lot of builds to get 10 tons. Because this was required for so many builds, I do not make note of it. If you're wondering why there are so many targeting computers (and CASE) in the builds, that's because of locked Endo. It's not always possible to put heatsinks in despite technically enough tonnage and empty crits - the locked structure slots get in the way. So rather than leave spare tons in the build, I fill them in with bullshjt for crit padding. Yeah... omnimechs suck. More reasons this mech will need massive quirks just to be viable.

I've included the -OG on the hardpoints list here, but it comes with a Plasma Rifle. Having the option for another 3-energy arm would be nice as a "Piranha" variant, but probably unlikely, this mech already has a lot of "good" variants.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
RTX1-O		.	▐	2e	█	1m 2b		1m		1m	█	2e	▐	.	.
RTX1-OA		.	▐	1e	█	2e		-		1e	█	1e	▐	.	.
RTX1-OB		.	▐	-	█	1e 1m		1m		1m	█	-	▐	.	.
RTX1-OC		.	▐	1e	█	2e 1A		2e		2e	█	1e	▐	.	.
RTX1-OD		.	▐	1e	█	1m 2b 1e		1m		1m	█	1e	▐	.	.
RTX1-OE		.	▐	-	█	1e 1m		1m		1m	█	-	▐	.	.
RTX1-OF		.	▐	1e	█	3jj		1e 1jj		3jj	█	3e	▐	.	.
RTX1-OG		.	▐	3e	█	1e		-		-	█	1e	▐	.	.

RTX1-O	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
4x SPL + 2x HMG (1.0ton)	13	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
3x SRM4 (2.0ton) + 4x ERSL	10	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
3x SRM4 (3.0ton) + 2x MG (1.0ton)	10	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
3x SRM4 (2.5ton) + 2x ML	10	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
3x SRM4a (2.0ton)	10	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
2x SRM6a (3.0ton)	10	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
3x SRM2 (2.0ton) + 4x ML	11	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4

RTX1-OA	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x LPPC	12	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
5x ML	14	0	TC1	Endo	XL175	113.4
6x ML	13	0	TC1	Endo	XL175	113.4
7x SPL	13	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
2x SRM4 (2.0ton) + 6x ERSL	11	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4

RTX1-OB	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x SRM2 (2.0ton) + 5x ERSL	12	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
5x ML + 3x RL15	12	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4

RTX1-OC	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
5x ML	15	0	rightsided optional	Endo	XL175	113.4
6x SPL	14	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
4x SPL + 4x SL	13	0	TC1	Endo	XL175	113.4
10x SL (or ERSL)	13	0	TC2, CASE	Endo	XL175	113.4
7x SL + 2x SRM2 (2.0ton)	12	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4

RTX1-OD	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
5x SL + 3x SRM2 (2.0ton) + 2x MG (0.5ton)	11	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
7x SL + 2x SRM2 (2.0ton) + 2x MG (0.5ton)	11	0	-	Endo	XL175	113.4

RTX1-OF	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
5x SPL (or ML)	12	6	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
5x ML (or SPL)	14	1	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
5x ML (or SPL)	13	4	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
5x SPL	11	7	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
2x SRM4 (2.0ton) + 5x ERSL	11	1	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
2x SRM2 (1.5ton) + 5x SPL	11	1	-	Endo	XL175	113.4
10x SL (or ERSL)	13	0	TC1 + CASE	Endo	XL175	113.4

Incubus, 30-ton Clan battlemech

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3D model below right by Chavez_Ninja


The Incubus is basically a better Arctic Cheetah, but lacking jumpjets and ECM. All of the variants are basically the same, except for the ICB-4 which is all energy. The engine cap is limited by mech tonnage, so it could be 255, or possibly though probably not higher. It has good geometry, torsos mounts with decent shield arms, looks like a good robot.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
ICB-1		.	▐	1e	█	1e 2b		-		1e 2b	█	-	▐	.	.
ICB-2		.	▐	1e	█	1e 2b		-		1e 2b	█	-	▐	.	.
ICB-3		.	▐	1m	█	1e 2b		-		1e 2b	█	-	▐	.	.
ICB-4		.	▐	1e	█	3e		-		3e	█	-	▐	.	.
ICB-5		.	▐	1m	█	1e 2b		-		1e 2b	█	-	▐	.	.

ICB-1	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x cMPL + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	12	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
1x cHLL + 2x cERML + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	12	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
2x cHLL + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	11	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
2x cLPL (or cERPPC)	10	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
3x cERML + 6x cLMG (3.0ton)	13			cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
3x cMPL + 6x cLMG (3.0ton)	11	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
1x cERPPC + 6x cLMG (3.0ton)	11	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7

ICB-3	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
3x cSRM6a (4.0ton)	10	0	all in right arm	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
2x cSRM6a (3.0ton) + 4x cLMG (2.0ton) + 2x cERUL	10	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
3x cSRM4 (2.5ton) + 4x cLMG (2.0ton) + 2x cSPL	11	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
3x cSRM4 (2.5ton) + 4x cHMG (3.0ton) + 2x cUPL	10	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
3x cSRM2 (2.0ton) + 4x cHMG (3.0ton) + 2x cSPL	11	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
3x cATM3 (3.0ton) + 2x cLMG (2.0ton) + 2x cERSL	10	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
2x cATM9 (4.5ton)	10	0	all in right arm	cEndo+cFerro	cXL200	108

ICB-4	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
6x cSPL	15	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
6x cERML	16	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
7x cERSL	17	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
4x cMPL	14	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
4x cHML	18	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
9x cUPL (or cERSL)	17	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
6x cERSL + 2x cFlamer	17	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7
1x cHLL + 8x cERUL	15	0	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	137.7

Men Shen, 55-ton IS omnimech

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Hark, an Inner Sphere omnimech that is not completely terrible! It looks kinda like a gigantic Raven. It has hardlocked MASC, which is cool... but it also has hardlocked Beagle Active Probe, which is not cool. I've assumed the bAP stays locked, but it would be in PGI's best interests to unlock it, because the community would rage hard if it couldn't be removed. The MS1-OE comes with a Plasma Rifle, so I've made a "P" variant based off of it, because eight machine guns. Actually, this mech can kinda boat anything. Except big ballistics, because it lacks tonnage and crit slots.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
MS1-O		.	▐	2e	█	1m		bAP		-	█	2e	▐	.	.
MS1-OA		1e	▐	-	█	1b		bAP		-	█	3e	▐	.	.
MS1-OB		.	▐	1b	█	2e		bAP		2e	█	1b	▐	.	.
MS1-OC		1e	▐	1e	█	-		bAP		-	█	1e	▐	.	.
MS1-OD		.	▐	1m	█	1e		bAP		2e	█	1m	▐	.	.
MS1-OE		.	▐	4b	█	2e		bAP		1e	█	4b	▐	.	.

MS1-O	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x MRM30 (2.0ton) + 4x ERML	11	0	MASC, bAP, stock pods	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x MRM10 (2.0ton) + 2x LL + 2x ERML	11	0	MASC, bAP, stock pods	Endo	XL330	97.2

MS1-OA	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x UAC10 (2.5ton) + 4x ERSL	11	0	MASC, bAP, stock pods	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 4x ML	11	0	MASC, bAP, stock pods	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 6x ERSL	11	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x UAC2 (2.5ton) + 6x ML	12	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
2x LPL + 2x ERML	12	0	MASC, bAP, stock pods	Endo	XL330	97.2

MS1-OB	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x LL + 2x ERML	12	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
2x LL + 3x ERML + 2x LMG (1.0ton)	13	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
2x LL + 5x ERML	12	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LPL + 6x ML	15	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
2x ERPPC	14	0	MASC, bAP, stock pods	Endo	XL330	97.2
2x AC2 (4.0ton) + 3x ERSL	10	0	MASC, bAP, stock pods	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x UAC2 (2.0ton) + 8x SPL	10	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 8x ERSL	10	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x SRM6a (2.0ton) + 8x SPL	13	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x MRM30 (3.0ton) + 6x ERSL	12	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x HPPC + 9x ERSL	13	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
5x MPL + 4x ERSL	15	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
4x MPL + 6x SPL	13	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
3x MPL + 7x SPL	13	0	MASC, bAP, TC1	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LL + 9x SPL	13	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2

MS1-OC	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x HPPC + 8x LMG (3.0ton)	11	0	MASC, bAP, ECM	Endo	XL330	97.2
3x ML + 8x HMG (4.5ton)	10	0	MASC, bAP, ECM	Endo	XL330	97.2
3x MPL + 8x LMG (4.5ton)	11	0	MASC, bAP, ECM	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LGauss (2.0ton) + 3x ERML	10	0	MASC, bAP, ECM	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x UAC5 (2.0ton) + 5x ERML	10	0	MASC, bAP, ECM	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LPL + 6x ERML	13	0	MASC, bAP, ECM	Endo	XL330	97.2
6x MPL	14	0	MASC, bAP, ECM	Endo	XL330	97.2
2x SNPPC	14	0	MASC, bAP, ECM, TC1	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x SNPPC + 5x ML	15	0	MASC, bAP, ECM	Endo	XL330	97.2

MS1-OD	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x SRM6a (4.0ton) + 3x ERSL	10	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
3x SRM4 (3.5ton) + 3x MPL	12	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
2x SRM6a (2.5ton) + 6x ML	11	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
2x SRM6a (2.5ton) + 3x ML + 3x ERSL	12	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2

MS1-OP (MS1-OE)	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x LL + 1x ERML + 8x LMG (3.0ton)	11	0	MASC, bAP, stock pods	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LPL + 4x ERML + 8x LMG (2.5ton)	12	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
5x MPL + 8x LMG (3.0ton)	12	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x LL + 6x ML + 4x LMG (2.0ton)	13	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
1x MRM30 (2.0ton) + 8x LMG (3.5ton)	10	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2
5x SPL + 8x HMG (4.5ton)	10	0	MASC, bAP	Endo	XL330	97.2

Vapor Eagle, 55-ton Clan battlemech

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Bottom left art by jerryboomerwang


The Vapor Eagle is sort of the Clan "do anything" medium. It has battlemech flexibility like the Hunchback IIC, but it has a high engine cap and enough hardpoints to do almost anything. It's a good robot. I would say good geometry too, and the arm mounts aren't too low.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
VPE-1		.	▐	1e	█	2e 1m		-		1e 1m 1b	█	3b	▐	.	.
VPE-2		.	▐	1e	█	1e		-		2b	█	3b	▐	.	.
VPE-3		.	▐	1e	█	2e 1m		-		1e 1m	█	1m	▐	.	.
VPE-4		.	▐	4e	█	1m		-		1m	█	3e	▐	.	.

VPE-1	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x cHLL + 3x cERML + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	19	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL355	104.6
4x cMPL + 4x cLMG (1.5ton)	16	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL370	109
2x cHLL + 2x cERML	20	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL350	103.1
2x cERPPC	20	3	TC2	cEndo+cFerro	cXL325	95.7
4x cUAC2 (8.0ton)	12	1	all left-mounted	cEndo+cFerro	cXL265	78.1
2x cLB10 (4.0ton) + 4x cERSL	11	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL295	86.9
1x cGauss (2.0ton) + 1x cHLL + 3x cERML	17	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cUAC10 (3.0ton) + 4x cMPL	17	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cUAC20 (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	18	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cATM12 (5.0ton) + 4x cERSL	17	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL300	88.4
2x cSRM6a (2.0ton) + 4x cMPL	19	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL325	95.7
2x cSRM6a (2.5ton) + 4x cERSL + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	16	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL360	106

VPE-2	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cHLL + 5x cLMG (3.0ton)	17	6	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL340	100.1
2x UAC5 (4.0ton) + 2x UAC2 (3.0ton)	10	1	all left-mounted	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	75.1
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cMPL + 6x cLMG (3.0ton)	16	4	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL350	103.1

VPE-3	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x cSRM6a (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	19	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL315	92.8
2x cATM3 + 1x cATM9 (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	18	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL315	92.8
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cSRM6a (5.0ton) + 4x cERSL	16	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL330	97.2

VPE-4	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cHLL + 5x cERML	22	1	-	cEndo	cXL300	88.4
2x cSRM6a (3.0ton) + 6x cERSL	15	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL375	110.5
2x cSRM4 (2.5ton) + 6x cMPL	20	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL300	88.4
2x cATM9 (5.0ton) + 6x cERSL	18	1	-	cEndo	cXL285	83.9

Champion, 60-ton IS battlemech

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The Champion was a very popular Star League era mech that enjoyed a resurgence in the 3050's as ComStar restored and refitted them to combat the Clans, eventually leading to a full reproduction. The Champion is a lot like the Dragon. It's 60-tons, it has no jumpjets, it has a large CT, and tends to mount ballistics. The difference being the ballistics are always torso mounted, and the arms are often empty. The stock engine for all variants is 300, so the maximum rating would be 360. I think it has good geometry and would be well-suited to MWO.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
CHP-1N		.	▐	-	█	1b		2e		2e 1m	█	-	▐	.	.
CHP-3N		.	▐	1e	█	1b		2e		2e 1m	█	1e	▐	.	.
CHP-3P		.	▐	2e	█	1b		-		1m	█	2e	▐	.	.
CHP1Nb		.	▐	-	█	1b		-		1e	█	-	▐	.	.

CHP-1N	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x UAC10 (3.0ton) + 4x ML	13	0	-	Endo+Ferro	LE325	87.75
1x UAC20 (4.0ton) + 4x ERSL	13	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE320	86.4
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 1x MRM30 (3.0ton)	13	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL325	87.75
1x LGauss (2.0ton) + 1x MRM40 (4.0ton)	10	0	-	Endo+Ferro	LE285	77
1x LGauss (2.5ton) + 3x LL	13	0	-	Endo+Ferro	XL300	81
1x HGauss (4.0ton) + 4x ERML	11	0	-	Endo+Ferro	STD280	75.6
1x Gauss (2.5ton) + 3x ERLL	11	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL285	77
1x AC10 (2.0ton) + 1x HPPC	15	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL325	87.75
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 2x SNPPC	14	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE295	79.7
3x LPL	15	0	-	Endo+Ferro	XL350	94.5
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 3x SRM4a (4.5ton)	11	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE300	81
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 3x SRM6a (5.0ton)	11	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL305	82.4
1x RAC5 (2.0ton) + 3x SRM4a (4.0ton)	12	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE300	81
2x MRM30 (6.0ton)	12	0	-	Endo+Ferro	LE300	81
3x MRM10 (4.0ton) + 1x LL + 3x ERML	15	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL345	93.2

CHP-3N	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x Gauss (2.0ton) + 6x ERML	14	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE285	77
3x LL + 3x ERML	18	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL335	90.5
3x LPL + 3x ML	16	0	-	Endo	XL300	81
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 6x MPL	14	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL305	82.4
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 6x ML	14	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE310	83.7
1x LB5 (2.0ton) + 6x MPL	14	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE295	79.7
1x UAC5 (3.0ton) + 6x ML	16	0	-	Endo	LE300	81
1x UAC2 (3.0ton) + 6x ERML	17	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL355	95.9

CHP-3P	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
2x UAC5 (5.0ton) + 2x ML	13	0	deadsided	Endo+LFerro	LE285	77
2x AC5 or RAC2 (4.5ton) + 4x ERML	14	0	-	Endo	XL300	81
2x AC5 (4.5ton) + 1x PPC	14	0	deadsided	Endo+LFerro	XL300	81
2x LGauss (6.0ton)	10	0	deadsided	Endo+Ferro	LE285	77

CHP-1Nb	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
3x UAC2 (6.0ton)	13	0	deadsided	Endo+LFerro	XL315	85.1
3x AC2 (6.0ton) + 1x ERLL	14	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL295	79.7
3x AC2 (6.0ton)	15	0	deadsided	Endo+Ferro	XL325	87.75

Crusader, 65-ton IS battlemech

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The Crusader is perhaps the most common heavy mech in the Inner Sphere. Only the Archer may have been fielded in greater numbers. This Star League mech went into reproduction during the Clan invasion, and new variants continued to appear in the Civil War and Jihad eras. It's essentially a bulky Phoenix Hawk.

This is primarily a missile mech with energy backup. Obviously I have moved leg hardpoints into the side torsos. Some variants have jumpjets, some don't. Sadly, none of the variants exceed an engine cap of 310, similar to the Thunderbolt. The ECM variant should be capped at a 235 engine, but I can see this being inflated to a 300. The CRD-8L I can imagine having the most energy hardpoints, but it has Jihad tech, so I have based a "P" variant off of it.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
CRD-3R		.	▐	1e 1m 1b	█	-		-		-	█	1e 1m 1b	▐	1m	1m
CRD-3K		.	▐	1e 1m	█	-		-		-	█	1e 1m	▐	1m	1m
CRD-2R		.	▐	1e 1m 1b	█	-		-		-	█	1e 1m 1b	▐	2m	2m
CRD-5K		.	▐	1m	█	1e		2e		1e	█	1m	▐	.	.
CRD-7L		1e	▐	1m	█	1m		1e		1m	█	1m	▐	.	.
CRD-8L		.	▐	2e 1m	█	-		-		-	█	2e 1m	▐	.	.

CRD-3R	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x MRM40 (6.5ton)	14	0	-	Endo	XL300	74.8
2x MRM30 (6.0ton)	14	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE300	74.8
1x MRM40 + 2x MRM10 (6.0ton) + 2x ERML	13	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE300	74.8
4x MRM10 (4.5ton) + 2x LL	13	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE300	74.8
4x SRM6a (4.5ton) + 1x SNPPC	13	0	-	Endo	LE295	73.5
4x SRM6a (5.0ton) + 2x ML + 2x LMG (0.5ton)	14	0	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
4x SRM4 (4.0ton) + 2x LPL	14	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE295	73.5
4x SRM4a (5.0ton) + 2x MPL + 2x LMG (1.0ton)	14	0	-	Endo	LE305	76
1x LB10 (2.0ton) + 3x SRM6a (4.5ton)	10	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE295	73.5
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x SRM4a (5.0ton) + 2x MPL + 4x LMG (1.5ton)	14	0	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
4x SRM4a (5.0ton) + 2x ML + 6x LMG (2.0ton)	12	0	-	Endo	LE310	77.3
4x SRM6a (5.0ton) + 6x MG (2.0ton)	12	0	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
2x ERPPC + 6x LMG (2.0ton)	17	0	-	Endo	LE310	77.3

CRD-3K	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x SRM6a (5.0ton) + 1x SNPPC	13	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE300	74.8
4x SRM6a (5.0ton) + 2x MPL	14	0	-	Endo	LE295	73.5
4x SRM6a (5.0ton) + 2x ML	15	0	-	LFerro	LE285	71
6x SRM4 (5.0ton) + 1x SNPPC	16	0	-	Endo	LE295	73.5
6x SRM4 (5.0ton) + 2x ML	17	0	-	Endo	LE310	77.3
6x SRM4a (5.0ton)	15	0	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
6x MRM10 (5.5ton)	15	0	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
1x MRM40 + 3x MRM10 (7.0ton)	13	0	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
6x LRM5 (6.0ton) + 2x MPL	16	0	-	Endo	LE300	74.8

CRD-5K	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x LPL + 3x ML + 2x SRM6a (3.0ton)	16	1	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
2x HPPC	17	3	-	Endo	LE295	73.5
2x SNPPC + 2x ERSL + 2x SRM4a (2.0ton)	17	1	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
3x LPL	18	1	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
3x LL + 2x MRM10 (3.0ton)	16	1	-	Endo	LE285	71
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
2x LPL + 4x ERML	18	2	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
6x ERML + 2x MRM10 (3.0ton)	19	1	-	LFerro	LE305	76
6x MPL + 2x SRM4a (3.0ton)	16	1	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
2x LRM15a (5.0ton) + 6x ERSL	14	1	-	Endo	LE295	73.5

CRD-7L	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
4x SRM6a (5.0ton) + 2x MPL	12	1	ECM	Endo+LFerro	LE300	74.8
4x SRM6a (5.0ton)	12	1	ECM	Stealth	LE300	74.8
2x MRM30 (5.0ton)	12	1	ECM	Stealth	LE295	73.5
2x MRM30 (6.0ton)	12	4	ECM	Endo	LE280	69.8
1x MRM40 (4.5ton) + SNPPC	14	1	ECM	Stealth	LE295	73.5
2x LRM15a (6.0ton) + TAG	12	1	ECM	Stealth	LE300	74.8
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
2x LRM15a (6.0ton) + TAG + 2x MPL	12	1	ECM	Endo+LFerro	LE300	74.8
2x MRM20 (4.0ton) + 3x MPL	13	2	ECM	Endo+LFerro	LE300	74.8
4x SRM6a (5.0ton) + 3x ML	13	1	-	Endo	LE300	74.8
4x SRM4a (5.0ton) + 1x SNPPC	13	1	ECM	Endo+LFerro	LE300	74.8

CRD-8P (CRD-8L)	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
3x LPL + 3x ERML	17	0	-	Endo	XL320	79.8
3x LL + 3x ERML	18	0	-	Endo+LFerro	XL365	91
3x LL + 3x ERML	17	0	-	Endo+LFerro	LE325	81
6x ML + 2x SRM6a (3.0ton)	17	0	-	Endo	LE325	81
6x ML + 2x SRM6a (3.0ton)	18	0	-	Endo	XL360	89.7
6x ERML + 2x MRM10 (3.0ton)	18	0	-	Endo	XL370	92.2
4x ERLL	19	0	TC1	Endo	XL325	81
4x LPL	16	0	-	Endo	XL300	74.8

Rifleman IIC, 65-ton Clan battlemech

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Think of the normal Rifleman. Now add 5 tons. Now add clan tech. Buahahahaha! But then you realise it has an engine cap at 57kph. Bugger. For the purposes of this theorycraft, I'm going to assume the engine cap is inflated to 250. The variants stuck with a 250 cap could get agility quirks, and the two variants with higher caps could get no agility quirks. Also, the IIC-8 features AP Gauss, so I'll be using it as the basis for a fake "Piranha" variant, the IIC-A.

Also note that this mech could have longer weapon barrels, because that looks cool. I for one would be disappointed if they aren't longer than the IS Rifleman. But longer arms does means more vulnerable. I remember in Mechwarrior 2, every time I saw a Rifleman IIC, it invariably lost its arms even though I wasn't aiming for them. MW2 had broken hitboxes, but... still. Was funny.

Hardpoints...		HD	▐	RA	█	RT	< < <	CT	> > >	LT	█	LA	▐	RL	LL
IIC-1		1e	▐	2e	█	-		-		-	█	2e	▐	.	.
IIC-2		.	▐	2b	█	-		-		-	█	2b	▐	.	.
IIC-3		.	▐	1e 1b	█	-		-		-	█	1e 1b	▐	.	.
IIC-4		.	▐	1e 1m	█	-		-		-	█	1e 1m	▐	.	.
IIC-8		.	▐	1e 2b	█	1m		-		1m	█	1e 2b	▐	.	.

IIC-1	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
5x cERLL	25	1	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
4x cLPL or cERPPC	22	1	lots stripping	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
2x cERPPC	28	3	-	-	cXL250	62.3
2x cERPPC + 3x cMPL	25	3	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
4x cHLL	26	1	-	-	cXL250	62.3
2x cHLL + 3x cERML	26	1	cTC5	-	cXL250	62.3
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
2x cLPL + 5x cERML	25	1	-	-	cXL250	62.3
2x cHLL + 5x cERML	24	1	cTC5	-	cXL250	62.3
2x cERLL + 5x cERLL	28	1	cTC1	-	cXL250	62.3
2x cLPL + 5x cMPL	25	1	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3

IIC-2	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
4x cUAC5 (8.5ton)	11	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	63.6
4x cLB5 (8.0ton)	10	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL280	69.8
4x cUAC2 (8.0ton)	17	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL300	74.8
3x cUAC10 (6.5ton)	11	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	63.6
2x cUAC20 (8.0ton)	15	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	63.6
2x cLB20 (8.0ton)	10	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL310	77.3
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
5x cUAC2 (8.5ton)	14	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	63.6

IIC-3	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cGauss (5.5ton) + 2x cHLL or cERLL	10	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
2x cUAC2 (6.0ton) + 2x cERPPC	19	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
2x cUAC5 (4.5ton) + 2x cERPPC or cLPL	17	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
2x cUAC5 (5.5ton) + 2x cHLL	18	1	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
2x cUAC10 (5.5ton) + 1x cERPPC	16	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
1x cUAC20 (4.5ton) + 1x cERPPC	22	1	cTC1	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
2x cLB20 (8.0ton) + 2x cHML	13	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
2x cUAC5 (6.5ton) + 4x cERML	21	1	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
2x cLB10 (5.5ton) + 4x cMPL	14	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
2x cLB20 (8.0ton) + 4x cERSL	13	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
2x cGauss (5.5ton) + 4x cERML	14	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3

[th]Engine[/th][th]Speed[/th]

IIC-4	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles
2x cATM12 (7.5ton) + 2x cLPL	14	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
2x cLRM20a (8.0ton) + 2x cLPL	15	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL250	62.3
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cATM9 (8.5ton)	17	1	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
3x cATM9 (6.5ton) + 4x cMPL	16	1	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
4x cATM6 (7.0ton) + 2x cMPL	18	3	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
4x cSRM6a (6.0ton) + 4x cMPL	20	2	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
4x cSRM6a (5.5ton) + 2x cLPL	18	1	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3
4x cLRM15a (9.5ton)	18	1	-	cEndo	cXL250	62.3

[th]IIC-A (based on IIC-8)[/th][th]DHS[/th][th]JJs[/th][th]Special[/th][th]Toggles[/th][th]Engine[/th][th]Speed[/th]

2x cUAC10 (5.0ton) + 2x cSRM6a (3.0ton)	12	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL295	73.5
1x cLB10 (2.5ton) + 2x cSRM6a (3.0ton) + 2x cHML	13	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL365	91
2x cERPPC	22	4	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL350	87.2
2x cLPL + 1x cUAC10 (3.0ton)	15	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL335	83.5
2x cStreak6 (3.0ton) + cLTAG + 1x cLB20 (4.0ton)	10	1	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL365	91
2x cGauss (5.0ton) + 2x cERML	10	1	cECM	cEndo+cFerro	cXL315	78.5
4x cUAC2 (8.0ton)	16	1	cECM	cEndo+cFerro	cXL300	74.8
2x cUAC5 (5.0ton) + 2x cHLL	13	1	cECM	cEndo+cFerro	cXL325	81
2x cGauss (4.5ton) + 1x cERPPC	10	4	-	cEndo+cFerro	cXL255	63.6

Edited by Tarogato, 13 November 2017 - 01:07 AM.

[Cpt Jason McCarthy]

More theorymechs pls !!

[bad arcade kitty]

well, viper can probably use 5ml or 4mpl or 5 spl ice ferret builds except it also would be one of the most jumpy mechs in mwo

i'm not sure about its podspace though and if it can pick machine guns at the same time with all that

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 05 September 2015 - 02:30 AM.

[stealthraccoon]

We may never see some of the bugs (Stinger, Wasp) due to that whole unseen thing, but one bug available to us is the Hornet.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hornet

20 tons, jump jets, and base engine is a STD100 so it would play as a different animal than the Locust. Variants available HNT-151, 152, 161 and 171.

Hard points are energy and missile and likely a double AMS somewhere in there.

Edited by stealthraccoon, 06 September 2015 - 10:01 AM.

[Nightshade24]

stealthraccoon, on 06 September 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

We may never see some of the bugs (Stinger, Wasp) due to that whole unseen thing, but one bug available to us is the Hornet.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hornet

20 tons, jump jets, and base engine is a STD100 so it would play as a different animal than the Locust. Variants available HNT-151, 152, 161 and 171.

Hard points are energy and missile and likely a double AMS somewhere in there.

well good news Marauders next mech.

[bad arcade kitty]

right now we can imitate the classic marauder (mad 1r/2r/3r, they all are nearly the same) builds with oni-chan, on1-k
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=99

it has the same 1 right torso ballistic and 2 energy per each arm like the classic marauder and it weights the same 75 tons, and it's the inner sphere, so, you can use smurfy for your future marauder builds :3

pgi may add the new hardpoints and also the version mad-3d has an energy hardpoint instead of the cannon, mad-4x has 2 missile hardpoints instead of the cannon (you still can use on1-k for those, it has 2 torso missile hardpoints which you ignore when you imitate the classic mad), bounty hunter 3044 has a head energy etc, but for the classic marauder you can use on1-k on smurfy

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 13 September 2015 - 11:48 PM.

[xMintaka]

bad arcade kitty, on 13 September 2015 - 11:44 PM, said:

right now we can imitate the classic marauder (mad 1r/2r/3r, they all are nearly the same) builds with oni-chan, on1-k
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=99

it has the same 1 right torso ballistic and 2 energy per each arm like the classic marauder and it weights the same 75 tons, and it's the inner sphere, so, you can use smurfy for your future marauder builds :3

pgi may add the new hardpoints and also the version mad-3d has an energy hardpoint instead of the cannon, mad-4x has 2 missile hardpoints instead of the cannon (you still can use on1-k for those, it has 2 torso missile hardpoints which you ignore when you imitate the classic mad), bounty hunter 3044 has a head energy etc, but for the classic marauder you can use on1-k on smurfy

Your link doesn't work. I'd guess you didn't copy the "save and share loadout" link.

MAD-1R

It's bad though. Really, really bad. Even the -2R with DHS is bad.

[bad arcade kitty]

umm? my link works, it's naked on1-k, i don't propose a build but a way to model your marauder builds on smurfy

well pgi disclosed the hardpoints already... 3 ballistic huh

upd
my build idea for mad-3r, dakkarader aka banshee-lite: 3 ac/5, 7 tons of ammo, std 300 (71 kmh with the speed tweak) and 2 medium lasers (either both in the right arm for more concentrated firepower, or both in the left arm in case if you lose the right torso with your 3 ac/5, or one in each arm, dunno what's better)

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 14 September 2015 - 08:23 PM.

[Red Shrike]

Shadowpunisher, on 05 September 2015 - 02:25 AM, said:

More theorymechs pls !!

I'd like to see one for the Flea.

[Tarogato]

Firemoth (Dasher!) has been added to the OP. Enjoy. =]






EDIT: the rest of this post serves as an archive of my old original post at the top of the thread.


Welcome to Taro's theorycraft thread! In this post I'll take some mechs that haven't made it into MWO yet and do all the work to see how they'll turn out, complete with Smurfy builds! All Smurfy builds are true to every detail, including DPS, jump height, running speed, actuators, exact armour distribution, and all critical slots. If you do spot any errors, let me know. =]

Quick reference - which mechs will be good in MWO and which bad?

Spoiler

The good
- 100 ton Clan - Kodiak (not as good as the DWF, but will be very good)
- 75 ton Clan - Night Gyr (decent dakka boat omnimech)
- 75 ton IS - Penetrator (easily the best 75-tonner the IS will ever have in the current meta)
- 60 ton IS - Champion (basically a Dragon without all the downsides)
- 40 ton Clan - Viper/Dragonfly (40-ton better version of the Arctic Cheetah, very beastly)
- 25 ton Clan - Fire Falon (25-ton version of the Arctic Cheetah - puts the MLX to shame)
- 25 ton Clan - MLX-P (new variant)
- 20 ton Clan - Firemoth/Dasher (Clan Locust - has plenty of energy hardpoints and speed and ECM)
- 20 ton IS - Wasp (basically a Locust with better hitboxes and JJs)

The "eh"
- 60 ton IS - Rifleman (cross between the Blackjack and Jager, but low engine cap is disappointing)
- 55 ton Clan - Black Lanner (puts the Shadow Cat to shame, but nothing compared to Stormcrow)
- 20 ton IS - Flea (basically a slower Locust but with a lot more hardpoints and build options)

The bad
- 90 ton Clan - Supernova (extremely hardpoint starved, low engine cap, not enough unique variants)
- 55 ton IS - Bushwacker (hardpoint starved, likely terrible hitboxes, not enough unique variants)
- 45 ton IS - Phoenix Hawk (all the weapons will be in vulnerable low slung arms - nearly as bad as the Vindicator)

Requested mechs that will not be covered:

Spoiler

- Gunslinger (85-ton IS battlemech) --- only one unique variant in timeline
- Nova Cat (70-ton Clan omnimech) --- this mech is from 3059
- Chameleon (50-ton IS battlemech) --- this mech is from 3056
- Uziel (50-ton IS battlemech) --- this mech is from 3065
- Komodo (45-ton IS battlemech) --- only one unique variant

Kodiak (100 tons, Clan battlemech)

Spoiler

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadout here

If an Atlas and a Direwolf had a baby, it would grow up to be the Kodiak. I'm going to say this upfront - it won't be as good as the Direwolf, but it will be a good mech. There are only two variants in timeline, but I would like PGI to fudge the timeline a little and bring in the other variants. Here are all the variants and their stock number of hardpoints:

- KDK-1 (3001) - 9e 1b 2m
- KDK-2 (3062) - 5e 1b 1m + JJs
- KDK-3 (3068) - 4e 2b
- KDK-4 (3066) - 4e 1b 2m
- KDK-5 (3052) - 11e 1b
- KDK-V1 (3095) - 9e 3b + JJs (this seems a little too far out of timeline to be considered)
- KDK-Cale (3077?) - 8e 1b 2m (too far out of timeline and it mixes IS and Clan tech together)

The KDK-1 and KDK-5 each have a total of 12 hardpoints, while Cale's mech has 11. It sounds like 12 is a good number to use when inflating the other variants (remember, this is a Clan battlemech, not an omnimech, so there is no omnipod swapping and the variants must be balanced independently). The KDK-5 is the energy variant, the KDK-1 will suffice as a "well-rounded" variant, so we should expect two more variants, one each centered around missile and ballistics.

Variants with inflated hardpoints: (in order by which variants are most likely to be implemented)

KDK-1 (3001) - 9e 1b 2m
- <LA> 4e
- <LT> 2m
- <CT> 1e
- <RT> 1b
- <RA> 4e

KDK-5 (3052) - 11e 1b
- <LA> 5e
- <LT>
- <CT> 1e
- <RT> 1b
- <RA> 5e

KDK-2 (3062) - 7e 3b 1m + JJs
- <LA> 3e
- <LT> 1m
- <CT> 1e
- <RT> 3b
- <RA> 3e

KDK-4 (3066) - 5e 1b 6m
- <LA> 2e + 2m
- <LT> 2m
- <CT> 1e
- <RT> 1b
- <RA> 2e + 2m

KDK-3 (3068) - 8e 4b
- <LA> 4e
- <LT> 2b
- <CT>
- <RT> 2b
- <RA> 4e

The builds?

KDK-1
- cGauss + 2x cLPL + 3x cERML
- UAC/20 + 2x SRM6a + 6x cERML/cSPL

Supernova (90 tons, Clan battlemech)

Spoiler

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadout here

The Supernova was developed in 2846, but not seen by Innersphere forces until 3058. Two variants would be valid in MWO: the Supernova-Prime and the Supernova-3. Both variants have the exact same hardpoints (only six energy, three in each arm). The Supernova-2 is a missile variant, but it mounts ATMs. I'm not aware of any canon variants that have ballistic hardpoints.

Let's suffice it to say we will never see the Supernova in MWO.

But if we could, at maximum engine (XL325) it would travel 64.3 kph and mount 43.5 tons of equipment (with Endo structure and standard armour, leaving 37 free crit slots). The Prime loadout of 6x cERLL could fire five lasers together without overheating despite ghost heat, and could barely fire all six if ghost heat didn't even exist (because PoorDubs™). You could start swapping to cLPL, but then you run out of tonnage for heatsinks and it becomes hotter than its worth. The only hope for this mech were if it were given the same hardpoints as the Nova and PGI invented at least two variants from scratch. A tall order, and it won't happen.

Night Gyr (75 tons, Clan omnimech)

Spoiler

Above right sketch by tigeri210

Ayyyy, another 75-ton omni to compete with the Timber Wolf! This 3052 omnimech will assuredly make in into MWO soon, it's only a matter of when. Hardpoints!




That's where the similarities with the Timber Wolf both start and end. Yeah, they have pretty similar hardpoints. The Timber does energy and missiles better, but the Night Gyr has mad ballistics... which is all well and good, because it's stuck with a slower engine, but gets a glorious 37.5 tons of podspace (already taking into account the 4 hardlocked jumpjets and 2 hardlocked DHS, so it's a pretty good deal. Remember, the Timber gets only 27.5 tons not including JJs). The problem with the Night Gyr is critical slots - having both Endo and Ferro really hurts this mech and limit your options. Well, let's start slapping guns on and see where we get.



The Builds:

Energy builds:

- 4x cLPL (or cERPPC) + 2x cMPL + TC Mk.II + 20 DHS
- 6x cERLL + TC Mk.VII + 20 DHS
- 4x cERLL + 2x cLPL + TC Mk.I + 22 DHS

... yeah, I'm not kidding. This mech has both Endo and Ferro, so you run out of slots and can't use up all that tonnage without doing the above. To be fair, 6x ERLL with the Mk.7 computer *might* be practical for competitive drops on ... Alpine? Yeah-no.


Ballistic builds:

- 2x cGauss (4 tons ammo) + cLPL + 2x cERML + 13 DHS
- 3x cUAC/10 (7 tons ammo) + 12 DHS
- 2x cUAC/20 (7 tons ammo) + 15 DHS (3.5 tons left over, no slots)
- cUAC/10 (2.5 tons ammo) + 2x cUAC/5 (4.5 tons ammo) + 5x cERML + 15 DHS
- 2x cUAC/10 (5 tons ammo) + 4x cERML + 2x cMPL + 17 DHS


All ballistics builds below:














I'm sure there's other builds, but that's what I could come up with on a whim. This could be a nasty good mech, even if it's a bit limited for build options. It will surely have good hitboxes - it will be like the Victor, except with clan XL and not hugely overscaled - probably about the size of the Summoner. The arms will probably shield decently, so while I'm worried that means any weapons on its arms will fall off easily (I'm looking at you, dual gauss), some builds will be fine since they can pack quite decent firepower in just the torsos (a pair of UAC/10 comes to mind). I'm really excited for this mech if it means there will be more dakka roaming the battlefields of MWO to break up the monotony of laser and lurm spam.

Penetrator (75 tons, Inner Sphere battlemech)

Spoiler

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadout here

The Penetrator is a mech that I expected to make it into the game before the Marauder. It's not a particularly well-known design, but it's one of those few 75-ton IS mechs that really looks promising. It's also a non-humanoid design, which I always enjoy for their variety. It's a 3053 completely symmetrical design based off of the Nova, let's see what it can do. The stock builds mount a STD300, so the maximum engine rating for all variants would be 360. Here's the stock hardpoints:

Possible variants:
- PTR-4D --- 8 energy
- PTR-4F --- 4 energy + 2 missile
- PTR-6M --- 6 energy (identical to the -4D, but worse)
- PTR-6S --- 8 energy + ECM (identical to the -4D, but better)
- PTR-6T --- equips ER Medium Lasers

Meh, PGI is going to have to pull some wizardry to make all of these variants unique - we basically only have two. But let's see if we can make it work:

Possible MWO hardpoints? (fingers crossed)

- PTR-4D (10 energy)
<LA> 2 energy
<LT> 3 energy
<CT> 1 AMS
<RT> 3 energy
<RA> 2 energy

- PTR-4F (6 energy + 4 missile)
<LA> 2 missile
<LT> 3 energy
<CT> 1 AMS
<RT> 3 energy
<RA> 2 missile

- PTR-6M (10 energy)
<LA> 3 energy
<LT> 2 energy
<CT> 1 AMS
<RT> 2 energy
<RA> 3 energy

- PTR-6S (8 energy + ECM)
<LA> 1 energy
<LT> 3 energy
<CT> 1 AMS
<RT> 3 energy + ECM
<RA> 1 energy

Now that looks like something workable. We had to add some extra hardpoints to the -4D to make it attractive over the ECM variant, since they both have identical payloads, but I think it's a reasonable decision. Now the question: how are the builds? Well, I can tell you right now that's it's powercreep city. Even without any of the hardpoint inflation, it can still do everything the Black Knight can do, but better. It's not a particularly tall mech, and all the hardpoints are mounted near cockpit-level. I reckon the Lack Blight, err, I mean the Black Knight would need Thunderbolt-level quirks to compete with this thing.

The builds:

PTR-4D and PTR-6M
- 10x MPL, XL350 (83.2 kph), 21 DHS
- 10x MPL, STD320 (76.0 kph), 17 DHS
- 2x LPL + 5x MPL, XL360 (85.5 kph), 20 DHS
- 2x LPL + 5x ML, STD320 (76.0 kph), 18 DHS
- 3x LPL + 3x ML "Bangbus™", XL360 (85.5 kph), 20 DHS
- 6x ML + 4x MPL, STD350 (83.2 kph), 17 DHS
- 6x LL, XL360 (85.5 kph), 16 DHS

PTR-4F
- 4x SRM6a (6tons ammo) + 6x MPL, XL340 (80.8 kph), 12 DHS
- 4x SRM4a (6tons ammo) + 6x MPL, XL340 (80.8 kph), 16 DHS
- 4x SRM4 (6tons ammo) + 6x ML, STD330 (78.4 kph), 15 DHS
- 2x LRM15a (5tons ammo) + 2x LL + 2x ML, XL320 (76.0 kph), 15 DHS

Champion (60 tons, Inner Sphere battlemech)

Spoiler

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadout here

The Champion was a very popular Star League era mech that enjoyed a resurgence in the 3050's as ComStar restored and refitted them to combat the Clans, eventually leading to a full reproduction. The Champion is a lot like the Dragon. It's 60-tons, it has no jumpjets, it has a large CT, and tends to mount ballistics. The difference being the ballistics are always torso mounted and the arms (except for the 3N) are always empty. The stock engine for all variants is 300, so the maximum rating would be 360. Here are the stock hardpoints:

CHP-1N
- 1 ballistic (RT)
- 4 energy (two CT, two LT)
- 1 missile (LT)

CHP-1Nb
- 1 ballistic (RT)
- 1 energy (LT)

CHP-3N
- 1 ballistic (RT)
- 6 energy (two CT, two LT, one each arm)
- 1 missile (LT)

The hardpoints are hard to work with, kinda like the Dragon. I can't possibly guess exactly how PGI would inflate them, but we can work with what we've got and suppose what extra hardpoints we might get. I will presume that the -3N will remain as is - it has eight hardpoints already. That said, here's how I would inflate the hardpoints myself so that they all have eight:

Hardpoints (fingers crossed)

- CHP-1N (4 energy + 2 ballistic + 2 missile)
<LA>
<LT> 2 energy + 2 missile
<CT> 2 energy
<RT> 2 ballistic
<RA>

- CHP-1Nb (5 energy + 3 ballistic)
<LA>
<LT> 3 energy
<CT> 2 energy
<RT> 3 ballistic
<RA>

- CHP-3N (6 energy + 1 ballistic + 1 missile)
<LA> 1 energy
<LT> 2 energy + 1 missile
<CT> 2 energy
<RT> 1 ballistic
<RA> 1 energy

Builds

Starting with the CHP-3N, because he has the most guaranteed hardpoints:

- Gauss (3tons ammo) + 6x ML, XL340 (101.0 kph), 10 DHS
- Gauss (3tons ammo) + 5x ML, XL340 (101.0 kph), 12 DHS
- AC/20 (3tons ammo) + 4x ML, STD300 (89.1 kph), 12 DHS
- 3x LPL, XL350 (104.0 kph), 15 DHS

At least one of the variants, probably the CHP-1N, will have at least 2 ballistic combined with 4 energy, so we can expect these builds:

- 2x UAC/5 (5.5tons ammo) + 4x ML, STD270 (80.2 kph), 10 DHS
- 2x AC/5 (4tons ammo) + 4x ML, STD295 (87.6 kph), 10 DHS











I think there's a lot of potential here. It can do almost all the builds that the Dragon can do, and some that the Dragon can't. On the bright side, it's ballistic isn't mounted to a huge arm that easily gets blown off. But the downside is that it's torso mounted, so lacks articulation and makes gauss+XL a risky endeavour. I reckon based on the artwork and some past models, it might be reasonably XL-safe, like the Dragon. Also, all the hardpoints are just below cockpit level - nothing low slung. I think we could see this mech in MWO, and for a 60-tonner I think it will do very well and have lots of options for loadouts.

Rifleman (60 tons, Inner Sphere battlemech)

Spoiler

The Rifleman is the imperfect blend of the Blackjack and Jagermech chassis. With a low engine cap (290 maximum), this thing will rely heavily upon being scaled appropriately to be viable. If it's too big, I fear that the majority of the builds below will be DOA, but a few of them stand out and would be viable even if this mech was scaled to be the same size as the Jager. It has hope, and it has a lot of loadout options. It could be a very competitive mech for tonnage-based drops. With this mech in the game, I'm not sure why you would every bring a Dragon or Quickdraw again (well, the QKD has JJs and the RFL doesn't, so there's that.)

At minimum, every variant will have 6 hardpoints. But I can also see PGI opting to inflate it to 8 hardpoints, because otherwise it would almost be outclassed by the Blackjack which also has 8.

Stock hardpoints of variants in timeline:

- RFL-3N (4 energy + 2 ballistic)
- RFL-3C (2 energy + 2 ballistic)
- RFL-4D (4 energy)
- RFL-5D (6 energy)
- RFL-5M (identical to -3N)

Don't get your hopes up - the only ECM variant (RFL-7M) mounts ERML and Light Gauss. Outside of timeline. The only Jumpjet variants are also outside of timeline.


Hardpoints (with some sensible inflation)

- RFL-3N (4 energy + 4 ballistic)
<LA> 1 energy + 2 ballistic
<LT> 1 energy
<CT>
<RT> 1 energy
<RA> 1 energy + 2 ballistic

- RFL-3C (2 energy + 6 ballistic)
<LA> 3 ballistic
<LT> 1 energy
<CT>
<RT> 1 energy
<RA> 3 ballistic


- RFL-5D (8 energy)
<LA> 3 energy
<LT> 1 energy
<CT>
<RT> 1 energy
<RA> 3 energy

Builds:

RFL-3N
- 2x AC5 (5t ammo) + 4x ML, XL290 (86.1 kph), 15 DHS
- 3x AC5 (7t ammo), XL280 (83.2 kph), 10 DHS
- AC20 (3t ammo) + 4x SPL or ML, STD290 (86.1 kph), 10 DHS
- AC10 (3t ammo) + 6x SPL or ML, STD290 (86.1 kph), 10 DHS
- 4x AC2 (8t ammo), XL265 (78.7 kph), 10 DHS
- 3x AC2 (6t ammo) + 4x ML, XL290 (86.1 kph), 12 DHS
- 3x AC2 (6t ammo) + ERLL, XL290 (86.1 kph), 11 DHS
- Gauss Rifle (3t ammo) + 4x ML, STD280 (83.2 kph) 11 DHS

RFL-3C
- 2x AC10 (6t ammo), XL290 (86.1 kph), 10 DHS
- 2x AC20 (6t ammo), XL245 (72.8 kph), 10 DHS

RFL-5D
- 3x ML + 3x MPL, STD290 (86.1 kph), 19 DHS
- 2x LPL + 4x ML, XL290 (86.1 kph), 19 DHS
- 4x LL, XL290 (86.1 kph), 17 DHS
- 3x LL + 5x ML, XL290 (86.1 kph), 17 DHS
- 7x MPL, STD290 (86.1 kph), 17 DHS

Bushwacker (55 tons, Inner Sphere battlemech)

Spoiler

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadout here

The Bushwacker is first produced in 3053. There are three variants available in timeline, but they are unfortunately almost all identical in hardpoints. The maximum engine rating is 360 (116.6 kph) and the hitboxes would be something like the Cauldron Born's, except probably worse. The hardpoints resemble the Centurion's.

BSW-X1
- 3 ballistic (right arm, and one in each side torso)
- 2 missile (left arm and left torso)
- 1 energy (center torso)

BSW-X2
- 3 ballistic (right arm, and one in each side torso)
- 3 missile (left arm and two left torso?)
- 2 energy (center torso?)

BSW-S2
- identical to the -X1, except adds an AMS

BSW-S2r
- way out of timeline (equips a Plasma Rifle)

BSW-L1
- way out of timeline (equips LBX20, LFE)

If the Bushwacker were to be brought into the game, PGI would have to get very creative. They would have to invent at least one variant from scratch and possibly mess with hardpoint configurations of the existing ones. Either way, I don't see this being a good mech - it seems like a worse version of the Wolverine, which is already trash sans quirks.

It can copy the Yen-lo-wang (but it AC/20 has to go in the torso, doesn't fit in the arm.)

- AC/20, 2x MPL. STD270 (~85.5kph)

Black Lanner (55 tons, Clan omnimech)

Spoiler

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadouts here

This 3052 medium omnimech combines the best aspects of the Stormcrow with the best aspects of the Shadowcat and Dragonfly. No jumpjets, but it has a blistering fast engine with a Speed Tweak of 130.9 kph and MASC brings it up to 151.19 kph in bursts. It also has ECM, which can be equipped to all loadouts without sacrificing offensive hardpoints. This could be a very good mech! The drawback: only a measly 11.5 tons of podspace with maximum armour due to the large XL385 pumping those legs. Most builds can afford to strip a half ton of armour, and stripping one arm to zero gives you 12.5 tons to work with.



Total boating capabilities of nine energy, four missile, four ballistic, and ECM on top of everything. Let's see what it can do with that tonnage. When considering these loadouts, I think it's best to imagine it as a faster but oversized Shadow Cat without jumpjets, because that's exactly what it is.

Missile-based:
- 4x cStreak4 (4 tons ammo)
- 3x cStreak4 (2 tons ammo) + 6x cERSL + ECM
- 3x cSRM4 (2.5 tons ammo) + 6x cSPL or cERML
- 3x cSRM4 (2.5 tons ammo) + 6x cERSL + 2x DHS + ECM
- 2x cLRM10 (3.5 tons ammo) + 6x cERSL + ECM

Ballistic-based:
- 5x cERML or cSPL + 4x cMG (1.5 tons ammo) + 3x DHS + ECM
- cLPL + 2x cERML+ 4x cMG (1.5 tons ammo) + ECM

Energy-only:
- 9x cSPL + 2x DHS + ECM
- 6x cERML + 5x DHS + ECM
- 2x cERLL + 2x cERML + 1x DHS + ECM
- 2x cLPL
- cLPL + 4x cERML + 2x DHS + ECM

Phoenix Hawk (45 tons, Inner Sphere battlemech)

Spoiler

Lyran Guard PXH-1 art above by Zaptruder. Redesign line art sketch above by Bishop Steiner.

Everybody is clamouring for the Phoenix Hawk - I hope they understand that they're asking for a 45-ton medium with all its hardpoints (every single one!) in low-slung arms. It's really not much different from the Vindicator, which is also 45-tons with most of its hardpoints in low-slung arms. Urrghh, this could be a recipe for disaster. But let's take a closer look and see whether or not that's the case, because some of the variants actually have some redeeming features.

First off, all the variants carry a stock 270 engine, which means the maximum rating for this puppy is 350. With Speed Tweak at 10%, this thing is capable of cruising at 138.6 kph. And it has jumpjets! But... it's left with 12 tons of "pod space" and only 13 crit slots, so it's kinda like running the max engine on the TBT-3C - kinda pointless. BUT! Two variants can equip ECM and one of them can equip MASC. There is a problem with the MASC, however. It weighs 2 tons and occupies 2 slots in the CT, however in MWO a 45-ton mech is supposed to equip MASC Mk.III which weighs 3 tons and occupies 3 slots. Woups. I suppose the problem of the stock loadout would be solved by removing the second (redundant) ton of machine gun ammo and putting the MASC in the right torso instead of CT. Whew, problem solved. What's more, is that MASC Mk.III provides a 12% speed boost. Unlike other MASC-capable mechs in MWO including the Shadow Cat which is also 45 tons, the MASC on this variant more than makes up for its tonnage in engine weight (as long as you equip at least a 210 engine). In fact, with a 300 engine equipped, the three-ton MASC bonus is worth 4.5 tons of extra engine. So, cool!

Before looking at the variants and builds, I just want to conclude that this mech is entirely in PGI's hands. If the arms are modeled too large and they fall off easily, then this mech is probably dead. If the arms are too low-slung, then this mech is hurting. If the hardpoints aren't inflated, then this mech is indeed very sad.

Variants in timeline:

PXH-1 (2568) standard variant
PXH-1b (2760) star league variant
PXH-1c (2784) uses snub-nose PPC, never saw full production
PXH-1D (2586) pointless - only removes MGs for heatsinks
PXH-1K (2603)
PXH-1Kk (2729) pointless - same as 1K
PXH-2 (2599) ECM
PXH-3K (3050) uses ER mediums
PXH-3D (3048) same as 3M but without MG
PXH-3M (3045) same as 3D but adds one MG
PXH-3S (3042) masc
PXH-3M-Masters (3051) hero mech - missiles

Holy cow, that's a lot of variants. There are actually loads more, but let's just say that if it's not on the list above then it's far out of timeline. Narrowing this list done a little, here are their stock hardpoints:

PXH-1 ----- 3e + 2b
PXH-1K --- 4e and only variant without jumpjets
PXH-1b --- 4e + 2b + ECM
PXH-2 ----- 3e + ECM
PXH-3M --- 4e + 1b + AMS
PXH-3S --- 3e + 2b + MASC + AMS
Masters --- 3e + 1b + 2m + AMS
PXH-3D --- 4e + AMS

From here, I narrowed the list down further to the most unique variants and inflated their hardpoints. All variants are inflated to have the same number of hardpoints as the variant that already has the most - seven. AMS and MASC each count as one hardpoint and ECM counts as two. The PXH-1 is the "prime" variant, so it must stay. Here it is with the four other most likely variants and their inflated hardpoints, including the possible Hero variant:

Predicted variants and their hardpoint layouts (fingers crossed!)

- PXH-1
<LA> 2e + 1b
<LT>
<CT>
<RT>
<RA> 3e + 1b

- PXH-2
<LA> 2e
<LT>
<CT> ECM
<RT>
<RA> 3e

- PXH-3D
<LA> 3e
<LT>
<CT>
<RT>
<RA> 3e + AMS

- PXH-3S
<LA> 1e + 2b
<LT>
<CT>
<RT> MASC Mk.III
<RA> 2e + AMS

- PXH-Masters
<LA> 1e + 1b + 2m
<LT>
<CT>
<RT>
<RA> 2e + AMS

Finally, it's worth noting that we could see the PXH-1b instead of the PXH-2. It would have four energy, two ballistic, and ECM. We could also see the PXH-3M instead of the -3D. It has four energy, probably two ballistic, and AMS.

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SHOW ME SOME BUILDS?
There's really no reason to go higher than a 300-rated engine. At 118.8 kph it's already plenty fast enough for a 45-ton medium mech. However, I'll try to show a few builds that can take advantage of this high engine cap, even if they are a bit trolly or ineffectual. Many of the builds with a larger XL can be downgraded to an XL300 and throw two extra heatsinks into the engine and some extra heatsinks and jumpjets elsewhere. Almost all of the builds below have maximum armour - really out of necessity. Unless you put all your eggs in one basket and use a shield arm, you can't strip armour on this thing. But, at least one build can do this and with some additional cockpit stripping it gains one extra ton.

PXH-1 (prime/special variant)
- 2x AC2 (6tons ammo) + 4x ML, 1x JJ, XL245 (97.0 kph), 10x DHS
- AC10 (3tons ammo) + 5x ML, 1x JJ, XL270 (106.9 kph), 10x DHS
- 5x MPL, 1x JJ, STD290 (114.8 kph), 10x DHS
- 5x MPL, 1x JJ, XL300 (118.8 kph), 16x DHS
- 5x ML, 4x JJ, XL350 (138.6 kph), 15x DHS
- 5x ML, 2x JJ, STD295 (116.8 kph), 14x DHS
- 2x LL + 3x ML, 1x JJ, XL320 (126.72 kph, 12x DHS
- 2x LPL + 2x ML, 1x JJ, XL300 (118.8 kph), 12x DHS
- 2x PPC + 2x ML, 3x JJ, XL285 (112.9 kph), 12x DHS

PXH-2 (ECM variant)
- 2x LL + 2x ML, 1x JJ, XL325 (128.7 kph), 11x DHS, Guardian ECM
- 2x PPC + 2x ML, 3x JJ, XL280 (110.9 kph), 11x DHS, Guardian ECM
- 5x ML, 3x JJ, XL350 (138.6 kph), 14x DHS, Guardian ECM

PXH-3D (energy variant)
- 6x MPL, 1x JJ, XL300 (118.8 kph), 15x DHS
- 6x ML, 2x JJ, XL350 (138.6kph), 15x DHS
- 1x LL + 5x ML, 2x JJ, XL325 (128.7 kph), 14x DHS

PXH-3S (MASC variant)
- 5x ML, 2x JJ, XL350 (138.6 kph), 13x DHS, MASC (155.23 kph)
- 3x LL, 1x JJ, XL285 (112.9 kph), 11x DHS, MASC (126.4 kph)
- 2x PPC, 3x JJ, XL300 (118.8 kph), 11x DHS, MASC (133.05 kph)

PXH-Masters (Hero variant)
- WIP - check back later



Final verdict?
Mediocre, but with an attractive tangy flavour.

Nostalgia reigns supreme here. A lot of people really love this mech and want to see it in the game, but even if PGI inflates it to 8 hardpoints per variant, it's still going to be underwhelming compared to something like the BJ-1X. It will be fun, it can fill some niches, has plenty of build options, but with all the hardpoints in the no-so-well-armoured and potentially low-slung arms it's going to be held back and I can't see it being a very competitive mech without some extraordinary quirk love. At least it's better than the TBT-3C, and probably the Vindicator. But probably not the Shadow Cat or Blackjack. It will probably perform a similar role to the Cicada.

Dragonfly (clan: Viper) (40 tons, Clan omnimech)

Spoiler

(models above by YogSolthan and lady-die.)

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadouts here

The ugly-duckling of the Clan Invasion, the Dragonfly is essentially a 40-ton version of the Nova with 8.5 tons of podspace with full armour. It has a few noticeable differences: it has 8 jumpjets, so while it jumps as high as the stock CDA-3F, those four tons are hardlocked. Same with the engine - this thing runs just as fast as the Hankyu, and can boat even more than the Hankyu, but the excess tonnage spent on the engine is non-negotiable. Just think of it as a light mech, because that's really what it is, just like the Cicada. The mech will probably have hitboxes similar to the Nova, and hopefully scaled to be about the size of the Cicada or Crab. Let's take a look at the hardpoints for all the omnipods in timeline:



Not bad. Pretty good, actually. A total of nine energy, five of them on torsos so you could even strip the arms if that's your thing (but no, you can't fit dual ERPPC, sorry, it comes out a half ton short even with head and arms completely stripped to zero). The VPR-C is the star here, with the CT energy. It also has four ballistics in the torsos, which is nice for those that like MGs, but can be traded for the four energy of the VPR-A side torsos. The most missile hardpoints you can fit is two, so those pods are about as worthless as the missile pods that the Nova gets. How about some loadouts?

- 6x cERML or cSPL + 3x DHS (one arm stripped)
- 5x cERML or cSPL + 5x DHS (all torso mounted, both arms and head stripped)
- 5x cERML + 4x MG (1.5 tons ammo) + 1x DHS
- 2x cSRM6 (2 tons ammo) + 5x cERSL + 1x DHS
- 2x cSRM4+A (2 tons ammo) + 5x cERSL
- 9x cSPL or cERML (half ton stripped evenly from head and both arms
- 9x cERSL + 4x DHS (pictured below, with all stats calculated properly)

Fire Falcon (25 tons, Clan omnimech)

Spoiler

(artwork above right by Shimmering Sword)

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadouts here

This 3052 light omnimech is the successor to the Mist Lynx. It has more podspace, it runs faster, but it lacks ECM and jumpjets. Its model/hitboxes would probably be a hybrid between the Raven and the Locust, and between the size of the Locust and the Jenner. It runs at 142.6 kph with Speed Tweak and has 9.5 tons of podspace with maximum armour. Let's take a look at those omnipods:



That looks really good. A maximum of eight energy, capable of three missile, and four ballistic for the machine gun nuts out there. (Paul plz buff MGs)

Missile-based loadouts:
- 3x cStreak4 (2 tons ammo) + 3x cERSL
- 3x cSRM4 (3.5 tons ammo) + 3x cSPL or cERML
- 3x cSRM4 (3.5 tons ammo) + 4x cERSL + 1x DHS
- 2x cSRM6 (2.5 tons ammo) + 8x cERSL
- cNarc (2 tons ammo) + 5x cERML or cSPL + 1x DHS

Ballistic-based loadouts:
- 4x cMG (1.5 tons ammo) + 4x cERML + 3x DHS
- 4x cMG (1.5 tons ammo) + cLPL + cERML
- 4x cMG (0.5 tons ammo) + 2x cERLL

Pure-energy loadouts:
- 8x cSPL + 2x DHS
- 8x cERSL + 6x DHS
- cLPL + 2x cERML + 2x DHS
- 5x cERML or cSPL + 5x DHS

MLX-P (25 tons, new variant)

Spoiler

The MLX-P is not a "Piranha" variant, is it an actual lore variant. (source1 and source2). The sad part is that it mounts micro lasers and micro pulse lasers, which are all out of timeline. But the good news is, it's a "P" variant, so PGI can do whatever they want with it! Yay! Here's the stock loadout of this 3061 variant of the Mist Lynx, just to be explicitly clear:



Now, if we pare all the micro lasers down to ER smalls, and shrink that ERLL down to a simple ERML, we have a few tons left over. Throw in a pair of heatsinks and voilà, we have a "Piranha" stock variant. But more importantly, EIGHT ENERGY HARDPOINTS! =D

Blah blah, I know, it's still a Mist Lynx, but still. Let's say that PGI unlocked the cAP in the head, and then gives it 10 TrueDubs (instead of the 7 that it currently is stuck with)... we can now do some much more interested things with this little hunk of metal.

PGI,

Dasher (clan: Firemoth) (20 tons, Clan omnimech)

Spoiler

(kitbash above by Odanan)

- Sarna article here
- Stock loadouts here

Ahhh, the Clan Lolcust! Well, perhaps Clan Flea? Either/or; both are beloved by many, and reviled by many more. The Dasher is the only mech (to my knowledge) that exists in timeline and can exceed the cosmic speedlimit of MWO hitreg. With Speed Tweak, it hits about 178.2 kph, which actually isn't that much more than the already stable Commando (171.1 kph). Where we hit problems though, is with the MASC. In TT, this mech hits 216 kph. In MWO, with the current MASC implementation it would max out at around 196.02 kph. It's certainly better for hitreg than 216, but it's still really pushing the limits. I'd say we could see this mech in MWO if PGI cleans up their netcode just a tiny bit more.

With maximum armour, the Dasher gets 5.0 tons of podspace. You can reduce the head for 5.5. It's a pittance, but lets take a look at the hardpoints first:




It gets an ECM arm, so that's cool. It can boast four energy in addition to that. The ballistic hardpoints are pretty much worthless, as well as unfortunately all of the missile hardpoints. There's only so much you can do with a 20-ton ammo-based mech.

- 3x cStreak2 (2.5 tons ammo)
- 2x cSPL + 2x cStreak2 (1.5 tons ammo)
- 2x cSPL + 2x cSRM4 (1.5 tons ammo)

All pretty lacklustre, even for a 20-tonner. But the energy loadouts aren't terrible:

- 3x cMPL (armour stripped from both head and arm)
- ECM + 4x cERML (+ extra DHS if you strip)

And the D config? ... six energy. Not bad. We can do something tasty with that. 5x cSPL, or perhaps this:





Even with the lack of good loadouts, I would still love to see this mech make it into the game. It won't be terrible - probably just as viable as the Locust, if not better. It shares its chassis style with the Mist Lynx, but it has one noticeable benefit - the super high arms are up and away from the body of the mech, so they won't get hit by enemies that aim for center mass or legs. If enemies aim specifically for your arms, they're unlikely to hurt other parts of your mech in the process, unlike the MLX which gets hurt on all components simultaneously no matter where the enemy is aiming on it. Also, it's bloody fast - focusing components on this mech, unlike the slow MLX, will be extraordinarily challenging. Oh yeah, and allllllll the hardpoints are high-mounted, even the torso-mounted ones.

Wasp (20 tons, Inner Sphere battlemech)

Spoiler

What would the Wasp be like in MWO? Well, it would be like a Locust because it's 20 tons, except it would probably be shaped like a Panther and smaller than a Commando, so it would probably have great hitboxes. It would run 151.5kph (170 max engine) and it would have jumpjets (maximum of 6, for about 75.90m jump height). It has 7 tons to work with at max engine and optimised armour, though you can squeeze in 8.

It might actually not be terrible. That is, if Harmony Gold could let go of it. And yes, it has hardpoints in a leg.


Variants available for MWO:
WSP-1A (4E right arm ... 2M left leg )
WSP-1K (2E right arm ... 4B left torso )
WSP-1W (2E right arm ... 2E right torso ... 2E left torso )
WSP-3W (2E right arm ... 2E left torso ... 2E left leg )
WSP-3M (2E right arm ... 3M right torso ) << sensor quirks? >>

WSP-1A builds:

Stock: TT record sheet


WSP-1W builds:

Base build:




Potential loadouts:

6x ML or 6x SPL


4x MPL

Flea (20 tons, Inner Sphere battlemech)

Spoiler

(MWO concept art repaint above by Blackfang) (MWO-style 3D model by confracto) (MW4-style 3D model above from MC:Omnitech mod)

- Sarna article here


So, the Flea. Contrary to common belief, it does not go faster than MWO can handle. With maximum engine (170 rating) it travels 151.5 kph with Speed Tweak and MASC brings it up to 166.65 kph in bursts. Yup, not even as fast as the Spider. MASC could be buffed to 14% and the Flea would still be fine. (currently, the Inner Sphere MASC MK.I boosts speed by a mere 10%). So, it's a 20-ton mech that runs slower than the Locust. And as far as I can tell, only one of the variants can actually equip MASC at all. So does it at least have good hardpoints?

Well, yes, actually. Maybe. Let's consider the following variants according to their stock/tabletop/lore loadouts. There are only three standard variants in timeline, and the Fire Ant is a 3058 variant that could easily be used in MWO as a Hero mech since it doesn't use any advanced tech.

FLE-17 --- has 5 energy and MASC
FLE-4 ----- has 4 energy
FLE-15 --- has 5 energy and 2 ballistic
Fire Ant -- has 3 energy and 6 ballistic

Here's the approach I'm taking to the Flea:

- Only the FLE-17 can equip MASC
- All variants should have the same number of hardpoints
- MASC counts as a hardpoint
- two ballistics are worth one hardpoint
- larger stock weapons translate to more MWO hardpoints (hardpoint inflation)

That said, here are the hardpoints I would expect (hope!) the variants to have in MWO

Here's the hardpoints, fingers crossed:

FLE-17 (TRO details) (produced 2475)
<LA> 2 energy
<LT> 1 energy
<CT> 1 energy, MASC
<RT> 1 energy
<RA> 2 energy

FLE-4 (TRO details) (produced 2475)
<LA> 2 energy
<LT>
<CT> 2 energy
<RT>
<RA> 4 energy

FLE-15 (produced 2519)
<LA> 3 energy
<LT> 1 ballistic
<CT> 1 energy
<RT> 1 ballistic
<RA> 3 energy

Fire Ant (produced 3058)
<LA> 3 ballistic
<LT> 2 energy
<CT> 1 energy
<RT> 2 energy
<RA> 3 ballistic

All variants above have 8 hardpoints (with each pair of ballistics counting as one and each MASC counting as one). With this sort of armament, I would expect the Flea to fill a niche that the Locust doesn't - excessive boating of small weapons. With max engine, we have 7 tons to work with. We can easily get 7.5 by stripping an arm, and manage 8 tons by stripping both arms and the head.

Here's the builds:

FLE-17
- 7x SPL
- 6x SPL or ML + MASC
- 7x SL + 3x DHS + MASC

FLE-4
- 8x SL + 3x DHS
- 6x SPL + 2x SL

FLE-15
- 6x ML + 1x DHS
- 5x ML + 2x MG (1 ton ammo)
- 7x SL + 2x MG (1.5 tons ammo) + 1x DHS

Fire Ant
- 5x SL + 6x MG (1.5 tons ammo)
- 4x ML or SPL + 4x MG (1 ton ammo)
- 5x ML + 3x DHS
- 3x MPL + 2x DHS










I think without the hardpoint inflation I prescribed above, the Flea won't be a worthwhile mech. It needs the following positive characteristics to be viable:

- firepower (hardpoints) to make up for the lack of sheer speed
- tiny size (perhaps a smaller profile than the Locust)
- extraordinary maneuverability OR strong structure quirks (because fleas are impossible to squish IRL, right? )

<soapbox> I'm not a fan Alex's concept of the Flea for MWO. In my opinion, it doesn't look anything like any of the previous incarnations of the Flea in the BattleTech/MW IP and it shares too much in common with the Locust (in fact, I would go as far as to say that Alex/PGI simply decided to recycle the Flea art to produce the concept art for the Locust). I personally wish the Flea to be a more boxy mech, something that you could tell is derived from the original TRO art that resembles an AT-ST, kinda like how the Urbie is likened to a trashcan. Alex is very good at this sort of thing and I would be delighted to see what else he could come up with without making it too much resemble the Locust. It needs to be its own thing. </soapbox>

Edited by Tarogato, 10 November 2017 - 04:35 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

From now on, my head canon explanation for the ECM arm on the Dasher is that they just super glued the MLX ECM arm on it the wrong way.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 08 October 2015 - 08:10 PM.

[Tarogato]

Viper/Dragonfly has been added to the OP! I like this little laserboat. I really hope it makes it into the game soon, it's actually very unique and has enough hardpoints to perhaps be more viable than the Ice Ferret.

[kosmos1214]

this looks nice

[rolly]

THANK YOU! This is awesome. I was wondering myself about the Dragonfly. Though I still recall the Dasher won't be in any time soon due to its game breaking speed. (As an aside in MW2 with JJ I got it to go over 320kmph... before it exploded when it hit a mesa wall..)

It would indeed be amusing to see how little the Dasher/Firemoth would have to pop up over a ridge to shoot.

If you do do the Black Lanner, any plans to do the Fire (Turkey) Falcon?

http://www.sarna.net...alcon_Prime.jpg

http://www.cwffarm.c...Side-Dishes.jpg

Edited by rolly, 10 October 2015 - 10:50 AM.

[Tarogato]

Black Lanner and Fire Falcon added!

rolly, on 10 October 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

If you do do the Black Lanner, any plans to do the Fire (Turkey) Falcon?

[Inflatable Fish]

man I'd drive the living sparkles out of that Flea.

[mad kat]

Hell yes WE WANT FIRE ANT!!
WE WANT FIRE ANT!!
WE WANT FIRE ANT!!
WE WANT FIRE ANT!!
WE WANT FIRE ANT!!
WE WANT FIRE ANT!!

[Not A Real RAbbi]

Chameleon, anyone?

Dating back to the Crescent Hawk's Inception, of course, so it should have a place in our hearts.

Lots of energy weapon hard points, Clan-medium speed (97.2 km/h), JJs. That is, potentially very meta-capable.

The Inner Sphere needs a hero, not just a tin can with a funny paint job. I think this mech COULD be that hero.

[Tarogato]

Penetrator, Champion, and Bushwacker added!

TheRAbbi, on 16 October 2015 - 07:26 PM, said:

Chameleon, anyone?
Dating back to the Crescent Hawk's Inception, of course, so it should have a place in our hearts.
Lots of energy weapon hard points, Clan-medium speed (97.2 km/h), JJs. That is, potentially very meta-capable.
The Inner Sphere needs a hero, not just a tin can with a funny paint job. I think this mech COULD be that hero.

I looked at it, but it's 3056, so it's outside of the current timeline. But for the record, it's not looking too hot for inclusion. Two possible variants (the -7V and -4V) have plenty of hardpoints, but are pretty much identical in every way. Two other variants (the -7W and -7Z) only have three hardpoints each, so I'm not sure what would be done with them to bring them into MWO - it's very open ended. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

[StalaggtIKE]

This is awesome!