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[Kunae]

Bryan has asked us to post our desired builds so that PGI can show us how they would benefit from the new 1.4 DHS's

#1

Stock Awesome 9M

Edited by Kunae, 02 November 2012 - 11:20 AM.

[Bubba Wilkins]

Quote

Everybody take a deep breath and relax. Tuning down is always worse than tuning up. That's why we're starting at 1.4 and moving upwards if necessary. What would help us more than having 100s of stilly posts, is for those people interested in helping us balance out DHS, post your desired builds, so we can verify that DHS actually helps you out. - Bryan

Challenge Accepted!

I will be posting my Atlas builds with screenshots from the mechlab in a couple of hours. I suggest everyone do the same.

Build #1


Here's what I'm running now. Workable with the way HS work now, but can only go full weapons for about 5-10 seconds before having the back off due to heat.



What I should be running, but can't because DHS are not currently functional.


Build #2




What I prefer to run currently: Again, heat is manageable although it does build quickly in Full DPS mode.




What I should be running. I would probably drop the engine and endo on this build to make crit space and tonnage up for more HS.

Edited by Bubba Wilkins, 02 November 2012 - 05:09 PM.

[Weaselball]

In a previously locked thread Bryan asked people to post their desired builds and see if the 1.4 DHS work or help them out.

quote:

"Everybody take a deep breath and relax. Tuning down is always worse than tuning up. That's why we're starting at 1.4 and moving upwards if necessary. What would help us more than having 100s of stilly posts, is for those people interested in helping us balance out DHS, post your desired builds, so we can verify that DHS actually helps you out."


Here goes:

Right now my Centurion is as follows:

Standard 200 Engine
Endo-Steel
Large Laser
2x Med Pulse Laser
2x LRM5 (2 tons ammo)
AMS (1 ton ammo)
17 Standard Heat Sinks.

With this build I have exactly enough crits to add 5 DHS on top of what the engine gives me. Now if they had a value of 2.0 heat dissipation I'd be running fine, at 26 heat dissipation.

Now with the changes my current setup (again, 13 DHS max capacity) will only dissipate 18.2 heat. As of now, I have 17 dissipation with singles. Also note, as minor as it may be, you cannot add DHS to legs. That reduces their usefulness on maps where you can stand and fight in lakes.

So no, to me they do not seem as if they'd help. I'd gain 1.2 heat dissipation without any of those sinks' able to take advantage of water... which actually, in water my 17 heat sink mech would probably dissipate heat better.

Edit: added quote, and it was Bryan not Garth

Edited by Weaselball, 02 November 2012 - 11:22 AM.

[3rdworld]

Anything currently using 7 or more DHS.

[Squidhead Jax]

Stock Awe- oh, wait, OP's got that covered.

Stock Catapult-K2 bumped to ERPPCs (the stock itself being viable wouldn't hurt either...)

[UPnADAM]

This build will suffer a good bit with the new DHS rule losing 2 overall heat dissipation and gaining more heat because of pulse lasers.

[Vassago Rain]

I was gonna do the usual tri large pulse laser atlas, with dual SRM6. The addition of dubs wouldn't make me 'more heat efficient total' but let me go from an XL engine to a standard engine, with the massive weight savings from dubs and endo. Not gonna happen.

It's questionable whether it'd even be 'worth' it to go dubs for something really common, like a double pod SRM hunchback, simply to save weight for pulse lasers over small lasers. - more so now that they're gonna make many lasers use more heat.

The devs don't understand a single thing. Dubs aren't strictly for making OMGWTF lazorboats, but to vary your builds. Even if you want to boat them, you really can't, because IS dubs are 3 criticals each, and a 100-tonner gets more sinkage maximum out of standards, anyway.

They have NO IDEA what they're doing, or even talking abou

[vifoxe]

any mech with ppc's. ppc's are terrible.

[Amechwarrior]

My current Atlas has 21 DHS for a heat cap/dissipation rate for 32/3.2 and the change will drop it to 29.4/2.94 while I was expecting to get the full 42/4.2 if DHS was working right in full.

With the new method, even if I swapped to SHS and added endo I would only gain 5 tons and could have a SHS build of 26/2.6 compared to the 29.4/2.94 of the new DHS.

The new model actually downgrades my build from the already downgraded current implementation. Those extra 3 capacity is not worth the 1.5 mil pricetag+endo. They should either drop the price of DHS or up the rate to 1.5-1.7 if you want to make it worth while.

[Corpse Grinder]

Founders atlas, 2 medium pulse lasers, 2 large pulse lasers and gauss rifle. I have 18 DHS on it but, I still need to watch my heat closely. I think that the heat is perfect right now.

Edited by Corpse Grinder, 03 November 2012 - 02:22 PM.

[3rdworld]

Corpse Grinder, on 02 November 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Founders atlas, 2 medium pulse lasers, 2 large pulse lasers and gauss. I believe that I don't remember how many DHS I have on it but I still need to watch my heat closely. I think that the heat is perfect right now.

Wow, your build got taken behind the woodshed.

[PropagandaWar]

Hunchy 4sp: 4 Med Pulse Lasers, SRM4x2, 220 standard engine, AMS, 16DHS Endo Steel

[Stimbles]

I'm not ever going to waste the C-Bills to upgrade from single heatsinks to double 1.4sinks so long as they don't sink double heat or continue to take triple the crit slots.

[gregsolidus]

Centurion:
1 x AC/5
2 x Medium Lasers
3 x SRM6s
5 x DHS
Standard 190

Stimbles, on 02 November 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

I'm not ever going to waste the C-Bills to upgrade from single heatsinks to double 1.4sinks so long as they don't sink double heat or continue to take triple the crit slots.

Kinda have to agree with this guy too except on triple the crit space.

Edited by gregsolidus, 02 November 2012 - 12:11 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

Awesome AWS-9M

XL 385
23 DHS
6x MPLAS
AMS, 2 tons ammo
Max armor

Max speed with Elite perks: 83.8 KPH

[Devils Advocate]

I have two Awesomes, 8Q and 9M, the 8Q using 7 but capable of using 9 double heat sinks, the 9M presently using 12. The 8Q uses a standard 200, the 9M uses a 350xl.

The 9M is my "main" right now and consists of 4 large pulse lasers with 12 double heat sinks.

Standard 200 (8 heat sinks) + 7 double heat sinks right now -> 22 standard heat sinks. With the new math? 21. Yaaay.
350 xl (10) + 12 (including the 4 in the engine) double heat sinks right now ->34 standard heat sinks. New math? 30.8 .

Why am I being nerfed for wanting to use heat sinks? Why are you screwing my 9m build? It's a razor's edge I'm balancing all these weapons on, and losing almost 10% of my heat efficiency is going to screw me. I guess the large pulse lasers are gone, and large lasers will not be as efficient any more either. It's not like my build was incredible and invulnerable, but the nerf bat is wrecking it.

[PropagandaWar]

Ill see how it plays out. I manage the 4 pulse to a point now, but if they are ramping up the heat and weakining the DHS (Thats how I read it). Ill just go back to the 4 med las varient I use.

[Vactus]

Stock JR7-D, -F. Sure I can work it because I've been doing it so long, but I NEED MORE ALPHAS!

No, but honestly, there are a lot of stockk builds that won't work with SHS and the barely 1.4 DHS. Oh! K2 with dual AC/20s.

[Tarys]

how the heck can i post my build when the current dhs ain´t even working as they should?
but f.e. ...

Jenner JR7-F:
300 XL
6 small pulse laser
1 AMS with 1 Ton Ammo
1 Jumpet
3 additional DHS equipped
every upgrade is build in
rest space used for armor

[Weaselball]

Now here's another interesting thought.

If I drop Endo-Steel (a 2.5 ton weight gain on a 50 ton mech iirc) and add DHS, I could, in theory, add 6 DHS (currently I have 9 in addition to the engine) and lose 3 tons instead. I'd also have a dissipation rate of 19.5 with double, opposed to 17 single. Not a HUGE gain but it's there nonetheless.

Food for thought. I'm not going to say the 1.4 ratio is good or bad, but the more I think about it, the more I think I can at least work with it.