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[Resinoid]

So far with the new patch players armed with ERPPC / PPC seem to be ECM hunting and then everyone jumps in to finish the job. So far this created some of the best teamwork I have seen as a result (it can go downhill right after).

With that said is this only to let out some steam from the pain ECM have caused or just to test the new patch?

[Vassago Rain]

There never was any ECM terror to begin with.

[Captain Midnight]

I had someone call me a noob for using PPCs earlier which, if you played early CB, is pretty delicious. Used to be only a noob would use 'em because they sucked so bad. Now only a noob uses 'em because they are so OP.

[DrBlue62]

The only real issue I had with ECM was not being able to see enemy mech vitals unless I was practically in their bubble already.

Edit: I'd love a module that would display ECM cloaked mech's paper dolls when you aimed at them.

Edited by DrBlue62, 21 February 2013 - 04:27 AM.

[Khobai]

ECM may not be overpowered but its still unbalanced because variants with ECM are preferred way more than variants without ECM. So either ECM needs to be toned down or ECM needs to be addressed on a mech-by-mech basis by making the other variants more appealing.

[Vassago Rain]

Khobai, on 21 February 2013 - 04:28 AM, said:

ECM may not be overpowered but its still unbalanced because variants with ECM are preferred way more than variants without ECM. So either ECM needs to be toned down or ECM needs to be addressed on a mech-by-mech basis by making the other variants more appealing.

The issue is that 90% of the mechs in the game are bad, not that ECM is the key to victory. It just so happens that the two most useful mechs also get ECM. Double-D and 3L have it.

But so does cicada M and the 2D commando. Do you fear those mechs? No? I wonder why. Would you say that a stalker is a bigger threat than either? Yes, you would.

Would you also say that an SRMboating A1 is a MUCH bigger threat than an ECM fatlas? Oh yes, you would.

So it's not ECM. It's that the game has so many junk mechs.

[Tilon11]

Sincé starting playing this game when it went open beta, I have been only running Jenners and I can say that when ECM came along it was a headache but nevertheless fun. Now it feels more balanced and ECM is still powerful, but I feel my ECM-less light is increasingly relevant again. I never opossed ECM, just now it feels that a 3L has its weak spots.

[M3atloaf]

Vassago Rain, on 21 February 2013 - 04:11 AM, said:

There never was any ECM terror to begin with.

Omg I actually agree with something he said... I'm going to go slit my wrists now.

[Wolf Clearwater]

ECM is not a terror by itself, it the ECM/SSRM combination on a light mech that is a PITA. Since PPC's now shut ECM off, PPC's are simply a necessity for any non-ECM light mech.

[Kaldor]

Tried to find picture of ECM Terrior, but the best I could find was poodle in a tin foil hat....

[KharnZor]

TERROR.
LRN 2 SPEEL.

[Wispsy]

NEED MORE ECM!!!

Seriously every single game I appear to have is filled with almost nothing but missiles! :/

[Shadowsword8]

ECM will be balanced when you'll see 3L and D-DC without ECM in their loadouts. Unitil them, it's a must-have module, and must have = OP.

[Yankee77]

ECM is not a terror, but it is broken.

Primarily because disrupt makes gameplay less fun AND makes several wepaon systems unusable entirely. And a system that makes the game less fun should not exist.

Take away the disrupt effect and keep everything else, and ECM is fine.

But as it is, the game was more fun without ECM.

[Khobai]

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The issue is that 90% of the mechs in the game are bad, not that ECM is the key to victory. It just so happens that the two most useful mechs also get ECM. Double-D and 3L have it.

But so does cicada M and the 2D commando. Do you fear those mechs? No? I wonder why. Would you say that a stalker is a bigger threat than either? Yes, you would.

Uh what? If you don't think a Commando 2D is dangerous you've never seen one piloted correctly.

Additionally, before ECM, the 3L and 2D were not the most used variants. So your theory about 90% of mechs being bad is wrong. The reason other variants don't get used anymore is because they don't have ECM.

[Voridan Atreides]

Ever since ECM came out I guess I didn't notice too much of a difference and I didn't really see where all the hate was coming from. The disrupt capability is pretty annoying at times and I don't know if ECM should have that capability. MWO was more fun before ECM though. I'd rather deal with raining missles then the disruption of ECM but whatever.

Vassago Rain, on 21 February 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

The issue is that 90% of the mechs in the game are bad...

Thats ridiculous.

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 21 February 2013 - 07:29 AM.

[Ngamok]

ECM was only a problem with lights that had streaks and ECM and ran around invunerable because of lag shield. Now, they are easier to hit and all the bad pilots die because of it because they think no one can hit them because they can fire streaks all day to kill their target. Are they still a pain to kill on light vs. light battles? Yes. They can target lock you and just shoot missles till you die.

[Kousagi]

Khobai, on 21 February 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

Additionally, before ECM, the 3L and 2D were not the most used variants. So your theory about 90% of mechs being bad is wrong. The reason other variants don't get used anymore is because they don't have ECM.

Before ECM after the streak buff, the 2D was used a lot, but the 3L was not. The 3L didn't get used a lot because the jenner did the same job, but better. Though there was not much in the way of light mechs running around after the Streak buffs, since Streak Cat's did a better job at killing lights then any light could ever hope to do.

Yes, ECM makes the 3L, but not because of ECM itself, but because of streaks. If streaks were not as powerful as they are now, you would see a whole lot less of 3L's cause other lights would be able to take them on.

[Ngamok]

Wispsy, on 21 February 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

NEED MORE ECM!!!

Seriously every single game I appear to have is filled with almost nothing but missiles! :/

Use cover, missles = gone.

[OneEyed Jack]

Shadowsword8, on 21 February 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

ECM will be balanced when you'll see 3L and D-DC without ECM in their loadouts. Unitil them, it's a must-have module, and must have = OP.

All my mechs must have guns. NERF GUNS NOW!!!!!!!! They're so OP every mech in the game must carry them!

Actually, I've seen a number of 3L's and D-DC's with no ECM.

Khobai, on 21 February 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

Uh what? If you don't think a Commando 2D is dangerous you've never seen one piloted correctly.

Agreed.

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Additionally, before ECM, the 3L and 2D were not the most used variants. So your theory about 90% of mechs being bad is wrong. The reason other variants don't get used anymore is because they don't have ECM.

???

I don't play any of my lights often, but I do have both 3L and 2D. I dunno about you, but even without ECM I prefer those variants. Especially the 3L, since the other Ravens move so painfully slow for something with so little armor.