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[Fergrim]

lol Skadi, when you put it that way, it seems so compelling.

[Ghost_19Hz]

Particle Man, on 22 February 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

WTF does being a founder have to do with anything?

It was once said during one of the QnA sessions when asked if the complaints on the forums hurt the devs feelings, the response given was generally yes, but they don't pay as much attention to it if the poster of the complaint has 100's or 1000's of posts. It was said the ones they pay attention to most are the ones made by newer accounts, especially if its one of the players first posts of the account.

[Roland]

The OP was in a dragon.
Why did it even matter that much that they had ECM? It's not like he was depending on missiles hitting them.

I mean, ECM is a powerful tool, but it doesn't just automatically blow up mechs for you or something, or keep them from shooting you with lasers and bullets.

[One Medic Army]

Sharg, no offense, but might I suggest investing in a nice big engine for that Dragon, or possibly playing a Cataphract instead? Dragon is one of the hardest chassis to pilot effectively, and you are (again no offense) wasting it's potential with a standard 250 engine.

As to the Ravens, yes, they kick my 2-3man's behind if we run into a TS-coordinated pack as well, ECM is very good at making the players lose track of each other and get separated. Ravens themselves can be killed, but a 4pack all dogpiling one mech at a time makes things hard unless one person (with good aim) has a very high burst damage, enough to drive them away. Of course they'll all focus that guy, so better have at least 2.

[Sym]

I do not like nor ever liked the way ECM has been use here in MWO and how only 4 mechs can employ it.
Can I deal with it...for the most part, but what I am having a hard time dealing with is the packs of lights that can not be hit and stand at your feet because they know you can not hit them and they can not be knocked over. Combine this with ECM and you have an unstopable force.

We had collision/knock down before...what the hell are we waiting for to bring it back???

This might curb lights from running up under mechs feets if they know there will be consequences and return the "Lights" to the true role as a scout / anti-scout...not an assualt brawler.

Edited by Sym, 22 February 2013 - 10:49 PM.

[Peiper]

Many of my guys rage quit today. Lopsided matchups plus Raven/D-DC packs = no fun. Not everyone enjoys playing against invisible mechs, nor do they want to be the one to be the players driving the invisible mechs. The more players you have WITH ECM on your team, the higher the odds of your winning, and vice versa. The devs keep promising to bring out more gear and skills to balance out ECM, but many of the players just want ECM to work like it does on tabletop. It does WAY TOO MUCH to alter the dynamics of any given fight, and it doesn't take any skill to use it. It just makes it easier to win with, and harder to win without.

Below is poll on the suggestion to make ECM work like tabletop. At this moment 64% completely agree, and if not, it's full of suggestions - perhaps better ones than my own. But only 19% think ECM is NOT broken.

http://mwomercs.com/...les-considered/

I don't mind going through the growing pains of testing out and building up the database necessary to make ELO work. But, for Blake's sake, fix ECM, give it to everyone, or get rid of it. But do SOMETHING other than driving away my teammates out of disgust and frustration with what has been, and continues to be BROKEN.

My suggestion, which being on page two and by a person who posts regularly will probably be ignored is to just:

Get rid of Streaks and ECM for a couple weeks and see how the players/community reacts. I DARE YOU, Paul and Bryan and the bunch! Then reintroduce more reasonable versions of the equipment when you've had time to tinker with them and read through the player's suggestions and comments. They have great advantages and take no skill to use. They're broken. Seriously. Broken.

(I speak for many guys here in my unit, with a combined total of 10s of thousands of games played. We aren't ignorant whiners, we're just sick of the bullscat.)

Edited by Peiper, 22 February 2013 - 10:58 PM.

[Carrioncrows]

In a nutshell it's streaks

ECM is a bad bad bad bad....(and another one) bad system. But it's not the issue. It's streaks.

[Lord Ikka]

I've been running an LRM heavy Atlas D and still made it into the top 50 Assaults, so obviously ECM is not OP. Killed plently of 3Ls along.the way. Aiming and compensating for lag helps.

[Sym]

I agree Peiper.

Lord..I do not think most care about one ECM light which can be easily handled...its when its used in large packs that most get discouraged with MWO.

[Lord Ikka]

Sym, on 22 February 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

I agree Peiper.

Lord..I do not think most care about one ECM light which can be easily handled...its when its used in large packs that most get discouraged with MWO.

Anything used in packs sucks to fight against. Before ECM 3Ls it was Gausscat packs or Swayback packs before that. Its the nature of pilots to follow others with the same Mech.

[Thoren Wolf]

I was in this match on the opposite team and I'm sorry Sharg, but that was an intense fight. If it's any cosulation on my next match I was teamed with a stalker a non ecm atlas, my awesome and 5 Ravens. The other team was balanced out and took out the three of us in assault mechs fairly quickly because our "teammates" were in five different directions capping the points. One by one, they were dropped by the balanced team. So while I can see your point of view on the ecm raven, I cant agree with it. Even a well balanced team working together and focusing can beat a raven heavy team. That match was a fierce fight around the ship in your screenshot and I remember your lrm boat running up the hill and out of bounds. Either way, its not the ravens you should have an issue with, its the drop wieght class limits that need to be fixed imo.

[Rogue 6]

Woohoo! First post!

Disclaimer: I'm a casual gamer and definitely not one to pontificate on forums about the minutia of balancing, nerfing, buffing, etc, etc, etc. I will, however, give full kudos to all the founders, and regulars here. I'm not trying to knock anyone--just give my input. I am also a die-hard Battletech fan and have been for years. I really, really want to like and play this game and see it get better and better. I see it as my last best hope to play a true-to-form, well done, Battletech simulator.

I am one of Sharg's (OP) teammates that he's posting on behalf of. I was with him tonight during those R-3L heavy matches. I don't know the first thing about the new ELO matchmaking system but I definitely noticed a BIG difference in the fun factor tonight--it was seriously lacking. As a group, we have never voluntarily decided to stop playing MWO while there were still plenty of hours left in the night. Even when we were losing match after match. Tonight we did. Instead of a fun time piloting mechs with friends it became nothing but an exercise in futility. I don't know what the answer is to fix the problem (ECM balancing, Streaks, ect) but I can sum up what the effect is in one word: frustration.

Yes, I'm being subjective. Yes, I'm a first-time poster. Yes, this might all be happening because of the tournament this weekend. I will hope for the best and come back in a couple days to see if things have improved.

Here's hoping...here's hoping.

[Metal Shakes]

Light mechs aren't the problem, the streaks are. Light pilots used to have to be the best pilots you had. Why, because if you ran into an enemy you fell down, then it took awhile for you to stand up, during which you were probably turned into swiss cheese. Light duels used to be a complex blend of small lasers and streaks, or srms. This wasn't overpowered back in the day because ANYONE could target you. Now two streak chickens show up and i pretty much just put down the keyboard and get a drink and wonder why I don't just uninstall this POS.

[Gaunter92]

Metal Shakes, on 22 February 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

Light mechs aren't the problem, the streaks are. Light pilots used to have to be the best pilots you had. Why, because if you ran into an enemy you fell down, then it took awhile for you to stand up, during which you were probably turned into swiss cheese. Light duels used to be a complex blend of small lasers and streaks, or srms. This wasn't overpowered back in the day because ANYONE could target you. Now two streak chickens show up and i pretty much just put down the keyboard and get a drink and wonder why I don't just uninstall this POS.

There are no better words.

[Tuku]

I have lots of fun....all sorts of cheese builds...DDC.....K2 with machine guns and large lasers....AC20 Raven.....Atlas K with anything.... Builds that should not work and yet I still have craploads of fun even solo...

[hammerreborn]

One Medic Army, on 22 February 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

I'm hoping that the results from this will point a finger at certain things as OP. If Raven 3Ls outnumber all other mech variants among the top 25 or 50 or 100 in the light mech category then it's a pretty clear indication something needs to be done about them.
(Well more accurately the disorganizing effect of ECM, and how streaks just r*pe light mechs)

Just broke top 25 in mah Jenner. Probably the top one >.>

[Tuku]

If I can pug an Atlas (RS not a DDC) and survive....even get kills when their are 4 lights on the other team and only 2 on my own and you cant handle it in faster hunchies, dragons, a raven 3L and whatever else the other guy had......You sir need better team work and focus fire discipline. in your team.

I understand that you are a casual player but you have to work within the confines of the game or uninstall it ....it is simple as that.

[mekabuser]

One Medic Army, on 22 February 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

I'm hoping that the results from this will point a finger at certain things as OP. If Raven 3Ls outnumber all other mech variants among the top 25 or 50 or 100 in the light mech category then it's a pretty clear indication something needs to be done about them.
(Well more accurately the disorganizing effect of ECM, and how streaks just r*pe light mechs)

im hoping they take the most popular variant from each weight class and eliminate it.. Will make the game much much better

[Shadowsword8]

sycocys, on 22 February 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

And by ELO setting you up against more difficult mechs it means the nigh indestructible Raven 3L. Me and 5 other guys actually managed to kill what must be the worst pilot of one, but it took up most of our ammo and 2 minutes of focus fire on its legs.

And yes the tournament only makes the 3L problem worse.

By now, no amount of finger pointing is going to do anything. The issues with ECM are already glaringly obvious. But PGI is stubborn...

[Pihb]

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you. Bad runs of luck suck though.