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[Training Instructor]

I can empathize with the OP.

I ragequit tonight, which is something I usually don't do. I might step away from the game for 2-3 minutes to cool off, and then soldier up and head back into matches. Not last night though.

Lost 70% of my matches, which is something that hasn't happened since I was brand new. Part of it was horrible teammates, part of it was Raven 3Ls.

I've spent $200 on this game, and nothing seems to ruin my enjoyment of it more than seeing RAven 3Ls running in circles and ignoring alpha strikes that should cripple them.

[Deamhan]

Yeah, lol. Just tonight, had a drop with a Dev on my team. Knowing that the enemy would be keeping an eye out and tunnel visioning on him, I stuck close in my 3L. I was like his personal K-9 guard dog. We won 8-0 and I topped the charts with 4 kills and over 600dmg. Then my two clan mates jumped in their 3L for a few matches and steamrolled the other team. The 3L is so unbelievably OP it is just disgustingly unbalanced.

Next up on the cheese. Double gauss CAT. LOL. First match 1 kill and over 400dmg (not enough CT hits) but didn't take enough ammo and ran dry. Second match was 3 kills and I don't remember the damage.

PGI, you really need to rethink ECM and put weapon restrictions on mechs. I say limit it to one Gauss or one AC20 and I'd go as far as limiting it to certain chassis like the ECM.

[Kotsuno]

Just wait till collisions come back. Then you can step on them. Literally.

[Tennex]

Their user experience isnt going to get better with Addition of matchmaking if they dont fix the balance issudz

[SlXSlXSlX]

Training Instructor, on 22 February 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

I can empathize with the OP.

I ragequit tonight, which is something I usually don't do. I might step away from the game for 2-3 minutes to cool off, and then soldier up and head back into matches. Not last night though.

Lost 70% of my matches, which is something that hasn't happened since I was brand new.

Guys I have bad news.. let me break it down for you.

You were winning not because of your skill, but rather because the old enviroment allowed you to win by stacking for moderately skilled players, versus completely new players/terrible players.

As such your stats rose.

Now the match maker thinks your good because your stats say so.

This is afallacy. You are not good, nor were you ever. You were jsut ganging up on floundering infants to the world of min/max builds, and focus fire.

Now your getting paired versus lone wolves, that have been going toe to toe with you, as they get paired with the terrible players, for weeks/months. That level of competition has made them good, but they still lost because they had saddle bags (new players) not in 4 mans.

Now the saddle bags are off, and the match maker thinks they are bad because their stats reflect it. So what you get is, good players with bad stats + great players with great stats... versus you, a 4 man that never got any better, due to your soft competition.

As such, you will lose, alot. And, you deserve to. You elevated yourselves beyond your station, and until match maker realizes that you are not that good, ie, until your stats take a considerable hit, and look much worse, it will continue.

You, unable to accept this reality have turned to the forums, to share your tears.

Fortunately, I am here and happy, to break it all down for you.

Enjoy your well deserved losses, you have alot of catching up to do..

Good news: this will be painful, but you will finally begin to get better. It will all even out, your new stats, as you grow and improve. If you cannot improve, than you are forever destined to be BAD @ MECHS.

More good news: You've made my night. Sweet dreams. Enjoy your day of losses tomorrow, if you do not outright uninstall, becuse your pride (inflated) cannot bear the reality, that you are not that good. <-- TL DR

o/

Edited by SlXSlXSlX, 23 February 2013 - 12:02 AM.

[Tennex]

Kotsuno, on 22 February 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Just wait till collisions come back. Then you can step on them. Literally.

That wont fix the predominance of 3Ls in light mechs. The number of light mechs that are 3Ls is not balanced.

[Karl Split]

This new ELO is hard work. Pretty much if you want to have fun and play a non competitive build you have to go solo. If you go in a 4 man unless all 4 are in competitive (boring) builds its steamroll time :S

Game is dull right now, only thing going for it is Run Hot or Die..... OWAI.......

And yes im mad I cant use my 9 flamer hunchy with impunity

[SlXSlXSlX]

Karl Split, on 23 February 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

This new ELO is hard work. Pretty much if you want to have fun and play a non competitive build you have to go solo. If you go in a 4 man unless all 4 are in competitive (boring) builds its steamroll time :S

Game is dull right now, only thing going for it is Run Hot or Die..... OWAI.......

And yes im mad I cant use my 9 flamer hunchy with impunity

Karl thinks he and his friends should be able to take bad builds and still win all the time..

Tell us more Karl.



P.S. There is a post, 2 posts above yours, you need to read slowly.

Edited by SlXSlXSlX, 23 February 2013 - 12:08 AM.

[KinLuu]

Karl Split, on 23 February 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

This new ELO is hard work. Pretty much if you want to have fun and play a non competitive build you have to go solo. If you go in a 4 man unless all 4 are in competitive (boring) builds its steamroll time :S

Game is dull right now, only thing going for it is Run Hot or Die..... OWAI.......

And yes im mad I cant use my 9 flamer hunchy with impunity

You mean one has to actually play good and bring a usefull build to win now?

BRING ME THE PITCHFORKES! WHERE IS MY TORCH?

[MischiefSC]

The thing is that now that people are matched based on win/loss pretty much the more skilled players live in ECM land. So we're going to see more and more complaining about ECM and missiles (LRMs and Streaks) because suddenly the organized teams (who use them to great effect since that's what they're designed to do, give teams a huge advantage over pugs) are playing largely against other organized teams and seeing that actually everyone at a certain skill level plays with and around ECM in some way or another.

It's like living in the 8 man queue.

[Corvus Antaka]

hehe I noticed today 90% of the grinding ravens vanished, suddenly its all 3L's, DDC, my LRM boat is not having as much fun as usual!

ECM stacking remains the huge culprit. Maybe if 1 ECM on counter countered every ECM on disrupt ECM stacking wouldnt be such a huge item to stack or take.

[SLxJoker]

I agree with the OP. There are several issues that compile to make one massive issue.

One of the bigger issues in my opinion, is the ignorance of a lot of the players. For example, comments that are made by players like Alaric the Arcane that bring nothing to the table but rude and unproductive comments. That is a massive strike against the community that suffers when players eventually deside to leave because of ignorant comments and the game producers acknowledge this, but fail to do anything to punish the violator. Creates a crappy community environment that players just don't want to play in. If you or others were subjected to constant insults, remarks and/or comments of "Learn to play newb", "I don't care" and are not offered any constructive critism to help you, would you stay? The fact that a majority of players on the PUG side don't even listen do their own thing, you can't fix that you just have to except that, combat it with a group of your own 4 man and use the PUG's as bait.

The second thing imo is the majority of players take a certain mech over the other chassis's, variants and weight classes, then project themselves as "God Like" players when really they have a piece of equipment that is protecting them. I remember before ECM came out a majority of light pilots were complaining that they were targeted and killed to fast by missile boats, but they were all piloting different chassis's and variants. Yet all you had to do was get within the minimum range of 150 meters and brawl them. Then ECM comes out and now its "ECM works fine learn to pilot and shoot" when really its not shooting or piloting its detection and the inability to use a majority of the weapon systems in game that make a lot of chassis's obsolete. I own a Commando 2D now with ECM and ran a few matches with 2 other 2D's and well the match was over in less than 4 minutes and the enemy did not kill one of us. That is powerful if 3 lights can turn the tide of battle or rule the battlefield. All I did was run in circles and fire 3xStreak SRM 2's, wow that takes a lot of skill to do that.

The game is still in a beta state, but does that give us a right to bash each other? When in reality how does it help PGI? I think they have done an outstanding job from nothing. This game is all new programing, art, graphics you name it, the concept is not new so why do we constantly compare a video game to tabletop? Let PGi do the math and equations to get the numbers they want for their game and then we playtest giving them adjustments and suggestions.

I usually come to the forums everyday to read, I don't post much, why you might ask. Simple with all the topics that pop up that state the same thing over and over its a waste of time trying to find a single topic that has positive feedback. Then when you post a comment, some ignorant person will try to troll you and degrade the discussion.

There are several players out there that do their best to help and assist, but they are always masked by the hundreds of ignorant posts.

Begin...........

[MonkeyCheese]

torney = ***** mode mech swarms everywhere!!!

Edited by MonkeyCheese, 23 February 2013 - 12:17 AM.

[JadePanther]

M A L I C E, on 22 February 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

The power of Kerensky compels you!

hate to say it but we need a MEME of this.

[Thirdstar]

MonkeyCheese, on 23 February 2013 - 12:17 AM, said:

torney = ***** mode mech swarms everywhere!!!

To be fair the Tourney is an endurance marathon more than anything.

[mike29tw]

After reading so many posts about how the game suffers on the weekend tournament, I don't even bother logging onto the game any more lol.

Time to play some War Thunder .

[MonkeyCheese]

Thirdstar, on 23 February 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

To be fair the Tourney is an endurance marathon more than anything.

it really is when everyone is runin **** mode 3Ls and your team has zero lights

[Thirdstar]

mike29tw, on 23 February 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

After reading so many posts about how the game suffers on the weekend tournament, I don't even bother logging onto the game any more lol.

Time to play some War Thunder .

It's pretty okay in the Ghetto, us lowskills are entirely undisturbed by the tourney.

[One Medic Army]

MischiefSC, on 23 February 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

The thing is that now that people are matched based on win/loss pretty much the more skilled players live in ECM land. So we're going to see more and more complaining about ECM and missiles (LRMs and Streaks) because suddenly the organized teams (who use them to great effect since that's what they're designed to do, give teams a huge advantage over pugs) are playing largely against other organized teams and seeing that actually everyone at a certain skill level plays with and around ECM in some way or another.

It's like living in the 8 man queue.

This is why I'm not giving in and playing my 3L, despite all the ECM shenanigans going on. I know that as soon as I do, my Elo bracket is going to jump and I'm going to end up higher than I can compete while in my Jenner.
As long as I stick to Jenner I should only end up against baddies in 3Ls, since only they will have Elo low enough to match my non-ECM Elo.

[Critical Fumble]

Thirdstar, on 23 February 2013 - 12:29 AM, said:

It's pretty okay in the Ghetto, us lowskills are entirely undisturbed by the tourney.

Really? I keep seeing flocks of Ravens. . .