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[Hades Trooper]

Walk, on 24 February 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

Dude, its literally the "user configuration". It's designed so you can edit the configurations to make the game more playable for you, personally. A lot of the options aren't available in the ingame option screen because the average user base doesn't know what an FoV is, or any of the other little things. You have to make this game accessible,so, for the average user, the options menu will have most options, but for those of us who know games well and want to tweak the settings to exactly what we want, we can edit this file. It's not cheating unless you are modifying actual game files, but user.cfg was included specifically for this reason, so the devs wouldn't add anything there that they would consider cheating.

Also, a lot of things that are "off" or limited by default are because of hardware limitations. If PGI knew everyone who played this game had a 4000$ monster PC, they could make it so the draw distance spanned the length of every map by default. Instead, the average user plays on a TI-89, so the default configurations HAVE to be able to accommodate this. Make this a visible option in the menu, and the average user will turn it up all the way, then complain on the forums that his PC can't handle it. It's a real problem, we see people moaning every day about how they get low framerates and junk and blame PGI when they are running the game on a PC I wouldn't even use as a calculator.



Hope this helps you with your little "cheating" dilemma.

Did i say it's cheating? NO i said it's having an unfair advantage. to me it's like a runner on a track having track shoes and the other people have jogging shoes.

A lot of users like myself see a config file and it's not that we don't want to change the setting that are ALLOWED to be changed. hell i didn't even know the game could be changed outside of the in game settings till 2 days ago. It's most of us have no idea what to do and even then what values are needed.

some people are just got different skills sets. i can easily build you something out of metal if you give me a rough idea of how you want to use it and whats it's meant od o without plans. thats how my brain works. I can cook but, my mate who's a chef can cook the same thing and it will leave your mouth watering for more.

I'm not asking to have the setting done for a $4000 rig.

i';m saying is how are these options accessed. How many people do it? how can i adjust my setting to get the best potential out of my machine and maybe spread the word to others also so they too can get the best out of there pc for playing this game if they have a $500 pc or $4000 rig or anywhere in between.

your coming off as a jerk who once again has to say help me with amy cheating dilemna, well mate your just up you head in a hole and don't want o hear any other comment or info that might mean you don't get to shoot someone at a range they can't even see you even if there rig could handle it and allow the user to do the same in return.

With your way of thinking i guess you'd think it's fair to wrestle a 1 armed person and say well of course i'll use my other arm to hold on to the grip, just cause he can't. But at least in that example the 1 armed person knows if he did have the other arm he could also use the grip.

now you thoughts on other people rigs, well like in a previous post. i don't care about what rig a person's got if there machine can't handle it bad luck they had plenty of warning of what the game would require. I have a good machine and it can now i've seen and be given the info on modding the configs file run it fine and still get 50frps

guess you didn't want that cause now i can get the same chane to play at your lvl. those who can't well i'd suggest they upgrade there machines BUT at least they know if they do they can now config there files to get the most out of there rigs.

ah sorry did that spoil your day now that other too can max there games potential also and you don't get to shoot mechs like fish in a barrel?

Poor Dittems do you need a tissue for those tears? Or should i get the bucket from how you seem to be reacting?

Edited by Hades Trooper, 24 February 2013 - 06:22 PM.

[Hades Trooper]

cjmurphy87, on 24 February 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Er...various commands have been locked out of the user config, meaning even if you change them, they do nothing. Also the dev's have said we are free to change the user config as we like. Ergo, anything not locked out of the user config = not cheating. Or in your logic am I cheating by using a mouse that has a button which changes DPI, allowing me to switch on the fly between fast movements and accurate sniping? Also the changes that "clean up" thermal vision don't make it particularly easier to use, just look better...

1st i didn't say it was cheating,

2nd don't you want everyone to be able to find this info?

3rd Not every user even if there aware of how to change these files feels comfortable doing so since they don't really comprehend how they change it or what values or even lines they need to enter.

[Hades Trooper]

Now for all your so full of yourself but i know how to do this, it's your fault you don't train of thought people.

Look at the banner below, it says IGP, NOW HIRING,

why don't you take your skills as see if there good enough to be one of the devs rather than feel you good cause you know a feel lines of code.

then when you good enough at backyard welding come see me and i'll see if you can build locamotives and diggers so the mines, where i'm sure those backyard skills will be lolz at as will your programming skills would be as a dev.

Stop trying to make yourself out to be superior cause you know a little bit more than someone in some field. even students know how to study better than us old folk, we all have skills in some areas and lack skills in other places.

Just goes to show how small minded some people who say oh i've moddied my config files but get upset cause others are asking who has and how to do this also, Compared to the gracious individuals who have read this thread and said oh you don't know how? well he's my config files and her's a few other setting i worked out so you too can get your rig to work the best it can also.

Kudos for them and thumbs down to losers who complain about everyone getting the chance to play the best there machine will run

[Walk]

Hades Trooper, on 24 February 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

Did i say it's cheating? NO i said it's having an unfair advantage. to me it's like a runner on a track having track shoes and the other people have jogging shoes.

A lot of users like myself see a config file and it's not that we don't want to change the setting that are ALLOWED to be changed. hell i didn't even know the game could be changed outside of the in game settings till 2 days ago. It's most of us have no idea what to do and even then what values are needed.

some people are just got different skills sets. i can easily build you something out of metal if you give me a rough idea of how you want to use it and whats it's meant od o without plans. thats how my brain works. I can cook but, my mate who's a chef can cook the same thing and it will leave your mouth watering for more.

I'm not asking to have the setting done for a $4000 rig.

i';m saying is how are these options accessed. How many people do it? how can i adjust my setting to get the best potential out of my machine and maybe spread the word to others also so they too can get the best out of there pc for playing this game if they have a $500 pc or $4000 rig or anywhere in between.

your coming off as a jerk who once again has to say help me with amy cheating dilemna, well mate your just up you head in a hole and don't want o hear any other comment or info that might mean you don't get to shoot someone at a range they can't even see you even if there rig could handle it and allow the user to do the same in return.

With your way of thinking i guess you'd think it's fair to wrestle a 1 armed person and say well of course i'll use my other arm to hold on to the grip, just cause he can't. But at least in that example the 1 armed person knows if he did have the other arm he could also use the grip.

now you thoughts on other people rigs, well like in a previous post. i don't care about what rig a person's got if there machine can't handle it bad luck they had plenty of warning of what the game would require. I have a good machine and it can now i've seen and be given the info on modding the configs file run it fine and still get 50frps

guess you didn't want that cause now i can get the same chane to play at your lvl. those who can't well i'd suggest they upgrade there machines BUT at least they know if they do they can now config there files to get the most out of there rigs.

ah sorry did that spoil your day now that other too can max there games potential also and you don't get to shoot mechs like fish in a barrel?

Poor Dittems do you need a tissue for those tears? Or should i get the bucket from how you seem to be reacting?

Ok? I didn't realize you were trolling till just now, sorry for leaving an informative answer. Here's the thing, most, if not all games, have a user.cfg you can edit. If you didn't know that, guess what, you're just the average user. It's not a bad thing, or a good thing, it just is. While these settings can give a "unfair advantage", there are also many other factors which are way more important. One could easily argue that someone with 19 ping has an unfair advantage over someone with 299 ping... and guess what, they would be right... but there's also nothing wrong with that. It's something that always has been and always will, and there's no simple way to fix an unfair advantage unless the player with 299 ping moves from Australia to somewhere else. But, does that mean we should have PGI implement a 300 ms delay for all players who have low ping, so that it can be a perfectly even playing ground? No. The user.cfg is similar, you can use it to get a tiny advantage if you know how to properly configure it and your hardware can handle the changes you made. But, if you don't know how to configure it properly, you can end up at a huge disadvantage. The advantages you are allowed to tweak for, however, aren't considered gamebreaking. They don't give me such a huge advantage over you that you are completely defenseless and stand no chance at winning. The only things I have changed in my user.cfg are my mouse sensitivity and my FoV, and neither of these things give me any sort of advantage, but at the same time, I have never felt as if I was at an huge, unfair, gamebreaking advantage against anyone else, regardless of their setup or user.cfg. My point is, as you said, you are good at metalworks, stick to that. Don't get mad because some of us know PC gaming inside and out and know how to find and access readily available user.cfg files when they aren't even hidden in the first place. If you didn't know it existed, then it wasn't meant for you, plain and simple. However, now that you have been made aware of it, feel free to utilize it, and you'll find that no matter how you tweak them, it won't bump your KDR or win loss ratio. Welcome to the club.

[Hades Trooper]

Walk, on 24 February 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Ok? I didn't realize you were trolling till just now, sorry for leaving an informative answer. Here's the thing, most, if not all games, have a user.cfg you can edit. If you didn't know that, guess what, you're just the average user. It's not a bad thing, or a good thing, it just is. While these settings can give a "unfair advantage", there are also many other factors which are way more important. One could easily argue that someone with 19 ping has an unfair advantage over someone with 299 ping... and guess what, they would be right... but there's also nothing wrong with that. It's something that always has been and always will, and there's no simple way to fix an unfair advantage unless the player with 299 ping moves from Australia to somewhere else. But, does that mean we should have PGI implement a 300 ms delay for all players who have low ping, so that it can be a perfectly even playing ground? No. The user.cfg is similar, you can use it to get a tiny advantage if you know how to properly configure it and your hardware can handle the changes you made. But, if you don't know how to configure it properly, you can end up at a huge disadvantage. The advantages you are allowed to tweak for, however, aren't considered gamebreaking. They don't give me such a huge advantage over you that you are completely defenseless and stand no chance at winning. The only things I have changed in my user.cfg are my mouse sensitivity and my FoV, and neither of these things give me any sort of advantage, but at the same time, I have never felt as if I was at an huge, unfair, gamebreaking advantage against anyone else, regardless of their setup or user.cfg. My point is, as you said, you are good at metalworks, stick to that. Don't get mad because some of us know PC gaming inside and out and know how to find and access readily available user.cfg files when they aren't even hidden in the first place. If you didn't know it existed, then it wasn't meant for you, plain and simple. However, now that you have been made aware of it, feel free to utilize it, and you'll find that no matter how you tweak them, it won't bump your KDR or win loss ratio. Welcome to the club.

Trolling, no sir, as i said before i have issues with concise short responses. where not talking about pings or any of that other issues, this is about config files and who has changed there's and thinks who thinks it's an unfair advantage by keeping this secret.

trying to change it to other topics, maybe start another thread than to derail this one

[SpiralRazor]

I have....my cfg is like 100 lines long, even have it headered out for ease of reference.

[liku]

SpiralRazor, on 24 February 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

I have....my cfg is like 100 lines long, even have it headered out for ease of reference.

Wanna share it?

[Vincent Lynch]

TL;DR the whole thread
but:
disabling fog and stuff will give you a significant advantage over people who don't so that.
so yes, you are cheaters.

[QuantumButler]

It's called not having a toaster you blithering buffoon.

Mech draw distance is tied into your in game graphics settings, maybe we should ban everyone who can run the game on high settings?

user.cfg doesn't let you modify draw distance any more than the damn ingame settings do, at most you can change fov settings and get rid of some of the ugly post processing effects, the hazyness is always present.

And mouse input speed changes? Please, who needs user.cfg to do that, it's called having a mouse made in the last 5 years which has variable dpi setting controls, just because you're using a 10 year old optical mouse that doesn't support this doesn't mean you can demand other people hobble themselves for your benefit.

OP before you claim OMG HAX you should at least get a clue.

OP's argument, tl;dr ver: I am a bad player and cannot compete so instead of getting better I will make up some perceived explanation for why I am bad and try to get said made up fariyland BS banned even though it doesn't actually have any real bearing on the game.

Edited by QuantumButler, 25 February 2013 - 06:19 AM.

[Corvus Antaka]

Wingbreaker, on 23 February 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Oh ma gawd, I can turn down my DPI on my mouse. This means I am nigh on hacking.

beat me to it. lmao

[MaddMaxx]

These threads never go well do to to much over-all mis-information. What is known is this. Given damage drop off as we know it to be, the following is more likely.

At 1600m, the AC5 (minRange="0" longRange="540" maxRange="1620") does literally 0 damage, the UAC5 the same (minRange="0" longRange="600" maxRange="1800") and the Gauss Rifle (minRange="0" longRange="660" maxRange="1980") round would be but a plink off the armor of any Mech caught standing still. So one would guess that the OP must of gotten hit at much closer ranges than stated or the numbers are simply made up.

Edited by MaddMaxx, 25 February 2013 - 06:44 AM.

[Roland]

Hades Trooper, on 24 February 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

Did i say it's cheating? NO i said it's having an unfair advantage. to me it's like a runner on a track having track shoes and the other people have jogging shoes.

Real men run barefoot.

Just like real men play Mechwarrior with no pants.

[F lan Ker]

S!

Roland, even you claim playing without pants still got the undies on Real men play naked smeared in Nutella or similar. Uh..umm..well..Anyways. I wish the devs would make the game graphically configurable on those items that are within that, rest should be locked out. Simple and works. I know that you can go and dig out the CryEngine Wiki or similar and google your heart out to find threads how-to, but not all can or want that. So a solution from the devs would be the best and no-one could complain. Their game, their implementation.

[MustrumRidcully]

Captain Midnight, on 23 February 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

I believe the dev team has confirmed that film grain and FOV will both have sliders ingame at some point, even Garth plays with a MODIFIED CFG OMG to take his FOV up to 79.

I thought we all knew already that Garth is a big munchkin - he just have the devs patch him the game to make his Cicada (?) better.

[Toxik]

Hum all this a talk about unfair advantage, for me having a fov of 70 and a mouse sensitivity at 1 was unfair, I had trouble aiming and the tunnel vision on my 24" monitor made it hard in regards to environmental awareness.
So what did I do, went to google and type "Modify fov mechwarrior" and then "Modify mouse sensitivity mechwarrior" (very l33t search skills ) and followed the instruction. Guess now I play as the game should have been for me from the begin, but people might see this as unfair?!?!
To be honest a little bit of research if you are invested in the game usually makes you better, especially when you think of what is causing you trouble.

[Hades Trooper]

QuantumButler, on 25 February 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

It's called not having a toaster you blithering buffoon.

Mech draw distance is tied into your in game graphics settings, maybe we should ban everyone who can run the game on high settings?

user.cfg doesn't let you modify draw distance any more than the damn ingame settings do, at most you can change fov settings and get rid of some of the ugly post processing effects, the hazyness is always present.

And mouse input speed changes? Please, who needs user.cfg to do that, it's called having a mouse made in the last 5 years which has variable dpi setting controls, just because you're using a 10 year old optical mouse that doesn't support this doesn't mean you can demand other people hobble themselves for your benefit.

OP before you claim OMG HAX you should at least get a clue.

OP's argument, tl;dr ver: I am a bad player and cannot compete so instead of getting better I will make up some perceived explanation for why I am bad and try to get said made up fariyland BS banned even though it doesn't actually have any real bearing on the game.

OMG people like you make me lolz hard, where did i say it's hax? or cheating? i love how people like you want to put words into my mouth.

why should i replace a mouse cause this game hasn't gotten around to putting in a mouse setting slider bar? every FPS i play has one but no, i shoud, buy a new mouse just cause you wanna whine.

Now with the hazz removed i can see clearly now, Fov has made the zooming feature actually zoom, omg,

if you claim not chaging these config files doesn't help then maybe you should play with a stock standard one.

all i know is in my experience i can now shoot people at 1600 metres wherre before i wouldn't have even know they where there, thermal and night vision now don't make my eeys hurt to look through, seriously i was not using them before on night maps as it didn't seem to help.

Yes i changed all setting in the menu from low to high and it didn't help.

Now i can play on full details, the game looks great, the better fov is set for 75 in mech and 85 for zooming changes how well i can snipe now even with my 250ping

Plus those i know in game and passed on this info have expressed how good and fun it's made the game being able to see when being fired on at extreme ranges where before the 1st you knew as the ppc round hitting you.

Plus my frps went from 35 to now 55-60.

So moan and graon all you like and try to express how this isn't a leg up advantage but to myself and everyone i've spoken to in teampseak in my clan has the same feelings and only those who knew of this and wanted to keep to themselves makes a negative comment or moans about how this doesn't help at all. So excuse me if i take you comment with grain of salt and toss in bin where it belows with the used catter litter. you know full of sh.t

[Hades Trooper]

Toxik, on 25 February 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Hum all this a talk about unfair advantage, for me having a fov of 70 and a mouse sensitivity at 1 was unfair, I had trouble aiming and the tunnel vision on my 24" monitor made it hard in regards to environmental awareness.
So what did I do, went to google and type "Modify fov mechwarrior" and then "Modify mouse sensitivity mechwarrior" (very l33t search skills ) and followed the instruction. Guess now I play as the game should have been for me from the begin, but people might see this as unfair?!?!
To be honest a little bit of research if you are invested in the game usually makes you better, especially when you think of what is causing you trouble.

yet a lot of us don't even know there was a a way to change these files outside the menu options.

sorry but to search for something on google i need a topic to be able to try and find out, now i have i am looking into this further and my aim is to make everyone know about it so they too can change this if they want to as well.

sorry to spoil your secret

[QuantumButler]

Hades Trooper, on 25 February 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

OMG people like you make me lolz hard, where did i say it's hax? or cheating? i love how people like you want to put words into my mouth.

why should i replace a mouse cause this game hasn't gotten around to putting in a mouse setting slider bar? every FPS i play has one but no, i shoud, buy a new mouse just cause you wanna whine.

Now with the hazz removed i can see clearly now, Fov has made the zooming feature actually zoom, omg,

if you claim not chaging these config files doesn't help then maybe you should play with a stock standard one.

all i know is in my experience i can now shoot people at 1600 metres wherre before i wouldn't have even know they where there, thermal and night vision now don't make my eeys hurt to look through, seriously i was not using them before on night maps as it didn't seem to help.

Yes i changed all setting in the menu from low to high and it didn't help.

Now i can play on full details, the game looks great, the better fov is set for 75 in mech and 85 for zooming changes how well i can snipe now even with my 250ping

Plus those i know in game and passed on this info have expressed how good and fun it's made the game being able to see when being fired on at extreme ranges where before the 1st you knew as the ppc round hitting you.

Plus my frps went from 35 to now 55-60.

So moan and graon all you like and try to express how this isn't a leg up advantage but to myself and everyone i've spoken to in teampseak in my clan has the same feelings and only those who knew of this and wanted to keep to themselves makes a negative comment or moans about how this doesn't help at all. So excuse me if i take you comment with grain of salt and toss in bin where it belows with the used catter litter. you know full of sh.t

The only user cfg file I've changed is FOV and I have played extensively without fov changes, it absolutely makes no difference, except with higher fov you can actually see your cockpit without using ctrl.

Edited by QuantumButler, 25 February 2013 - 08:06 AM.

[Kommisar]

This is all a very serious problem that, frankly, I am surprised that the Devs have not gotten a grip on.

No, not editing the config file; that is a symptom.

The problem is perceptions. In the absence of information, people will fill in the gaps. On this issue, there is very little information from the devs. Some old posts, some rumors that Garth does it, and so forth.

It is all made much worse by the fact that there are people cheating out there. Aimbots and Lord knows what else. Heck, I've seen guys that I would swear were able to see through buildings/terrain. No idea who they were... cause since they had ECM up I couldn't see their name tag.

Combine that with all this talk about tweaking config files. It's not a big leap to put those two together folks. Yea, no one cares about mouse sensitivity. At all; so stop defending that. And, most don't really care about the FoV. It is all the other things that people MAY be doing with it that are not common knowledge. That is what is worrisome.

The perception all of this generates is one of an unlevel playing field. Ah, stop right there. I used the word perception. It isn't fact. Or truth. But, it is very much the reality of an individual. The problems really start when you have large swaths of your player base sharing the similar perception that the game is rigged. That those that are going in and hacking their game files have an advantage over them. No, this is not a problem for any of you "Leet" players that will respond to this with "Stop Crying, Learn to Play." You guys are not at all whom anyone should be worried about.

Those that should be worried are the Devs. Because the problem becomes the reputation of the product they are selling. I'm going to go out on a limb here and make the assumption that gaining the reputation of being very unfriendly to normal, casual gamers is not good for their business plans. Having a rep that says, "Hey, to be competitive in this game, players need to be able to hard code in all of their own tweaks to gain advantages," is not good.

AHHH, stop again. Someone is thinking, "But that's not true!" But, it is; to a growing segment of the community. Even if it may not be technically true; the perception is what matters. My perception is that this is, indeed, true. I can see the effects in game and I am probably going to start tweaking my config files in the next few days. I actually do have the technical skills and intelligence to do this all on my own.

But it is the Devs that really need to worry about this. I've done this before, managing a gaming community. Did it for ten years. This sort of thing is like a cancer. It doesn't go away if you ignore it. It will spread. And some quick platitudes or the usual "Nothing to see here" post somewhere can make it worse. At that point, your off-hand comments can actually make it worse. The inevitable, "The Devs know it is a problem, but they have no solutions!"

Again, doesn't have to be true for people to believe it.

Devs, honest, friendly advice from a guy that is pulling for you! Get ahead of this issue quick. Head it off, put both feet in front of it. Be honest, decisive and, above all, clear. Use bullet points! And don't be quite about it; you're the devs, what you say has weight. Tell the community that a lot of this stuff is simple place-holders during development. Tell them what is NOT allowed. Draw that line (even if you have before... cause a lot of people missed that). Pour on the sunlight and clear it up.

[QuantumButler]

Kommisar, on 25 February 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

This is all a very serious problem that, frankly, I am surprised that the Devs have not gotten a grip on.

No, not editing the config file; that is a symptom.

The problem is perceptions. In the absence of information, people will fill in the gaps. On this issue, there is very little information from the devs. Some old posts, some rumors that Garth does it, and so forth.

It is all made much worse by the fact that there are people cheating out there. Aimbots and Lord knows what else. Heck, I've seen guys that I would swear were able to see through buildings/terrain. No idea who they were... cause since they had ECM up I couldn't see their name tag.

Combine that with all this talk about tweaking config files. It's not a big leap to put those two together folks. Yea, no one cares about mouse sensitivity. At all; so stop defending that. And, most don't really care about the FoV. It is all the other things that people MAY be doing with it that are not common knowledge. That is what is worrisome.

The perception all of this generates is one of an unlevel playing field. Ah, stop right there. I used the word perception. It isn't fact. Or truth. But, it is very much the reality of an individual. The problems really start when you have large swaths of your player base sharing the similar perception that the game is rigged. That those that are going in and hacking their game files have an advantage over them. No, this is not a problem for any of you "Leet" players that will respond to this with "Stop Crying, Learn to Play." You guys are not at all whom anyone should be worried about.

Those that should be worried are the Devs. Because the problem becomes the reputation of the product they are selling. I'm going to go out on a limb here and make the assumption that gaining the reputation of being very unfriendly to normal, casual gamers is not good for their business plans. Having a rep that says, "Hey, to be competitive in this game, players need to be able to hard code in all of their own tweaks to gain advantages," is not good.

AHHH, stop again. Someone is thinking, "But that's not true!" But, it is; to a growing segment of the community. Even if it may not be technically true; the perception is what matters. My perception is that this is, indeed, true. I can see the effects in game and I am probably going to start tweaking my config files in the next few days. I actually do have the technical skills and intelligence to do this all on my own.

But it is the Devs that really need to worry about this. I've done this before, managing a gaming community. Did it for ten years. This sort of thing is like a cancer. It doesn't go away if you ignore it. It will spread. And some quick platitudes or the usual "Nothing to see here" post somewhere can make it worse. At that point, your off-hand comments can actually make it worse. The inevitable, "The Devs know it is a problem, but they have no solutions!"

Again, doesn't have to be true for people to believe it.

Devs, honest, friendly advice from a guy that is pulling for you! Get ahead of this issue quick. Head it off, put both feet in front of it. Be honest, decisive and, above all, clear. Use bullet points! And don't be quite about it; you're the devs, what you say has weight. Tell the community that a lot of this stuff is simple place-holders during development. Tell them what is NOT allowed. Draw that line (even if you have before... cause a lot of people missed that). Pour on the sunlight and clear it up.

"Seeing through walls" is also an actual bug that happens sometimes when the game will just forget to render, say, buildings at all, sometimes even all of the terrain except for mechs.

I've had this happen to me at least twice, and a couple other in Kong have run into it too.