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[Mad Cat II]

Rebas Kradd, on 23 February 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

I'm aware that he named you, and I know he has no valid complaint. I just think that comments like "This makes me feel better" and "Haha, we're in tight with the devs because we're good" goes beyond reasonable self-defense and into the territory of coming off like a punk.

Rebas,

You are not aware of anything obviously. I was not part of the drop and thus was not accused or named. So you clearly missed the unedited post from the OP. Furthermore I did not say any of the things you are upset about. Quite frankly since it is not you that is getting muddied (either the accused or the accuser) I would suggest that you stop posting. Clearly since the OP intended to name and shame us he does not need you to be his white knight. No matter how valid your point is you have to admit that you are just adding to the situation and not helping it. I am sure you can understand that if someone was insulting your family you would come to their defense also. My point is that it's difficult to blame anyone for defending their honor. Especially when it is so clear there was not cheating involved. Many other people have stepped up to say Jade Wolf would not cheat. I suppose that the entire point of the rather long post is that the "ribbing" and "boasting" from JW is all in good humor. Call it a way to avoid being seriously upset about a completely unfounded slap in our "public opinion" faces. Either way it's best not to take it to seriously.

[M3atloaf]

GoManGo, on 23 February 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

To the OP go ahead send in your screens names hack sites whatever and PGI will send you back this ( )nothing why? becouse the hackers/exploters/whatevers buy MC.Its just like the gold farmers in WOW=PGI dont give a sshhittt about it or they would stop all the BS.Just get used to the hackers comming on your topics QQing how they dont hack its all part of there game the truth is most of the hackers have no real skill and just stroke there little E-PEEN trying to pad there stats and look like there someone in the world makes me laugh.

The devs very much do care about hacks and exploits. They work hard to keep them off the forums when others post them and they actively ban accounts that are caught hacking.

Hackers most certainly have no skill and the only reason to hack is to grief people or make up for your lack of skill. We pride ourselves in our skill and openly accept challenges from anyone who are bold enough to do so.

If any member of Jade Wolf is caught hacking, they will be removed immediately, without a doubt. We won't put up with it at all.

[Violette]

OP obviously got bested by a group of (egotistical but) very strong players, show's over, move along.

Good players get this kind of treatment often enough, typically from bad players. It can be frustrating. It can also be utterly hilarious, as the, um, the aggrieved will go after you (the great player, of skill and dedication and greatness) like it's the most important thing in their life, at least for the day or so. Reality is, there's very little hacking in this game (or so I have found.) It's quite secure. Noobs will be noobs, and all that.

[ArmandTulsen]

Google "mwo aim hack."

See third hit.

Jaranath, on 23 February 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

You're quite right.  The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim:  "X happened" or "Y is in that box".  Technically, someone making an absolute negative assertion--"X did NOT happen" or "Y is NOT in that box" also has a burden of proof, though this does not relieve the same burden from the person making the positive claim.

However, Risk of Fire and others here are also quite right.  In social discourse, false or unsupported allegations can be nearly as damaging as the truth.  There is a famous story in politics (attributed to any number of politicians, and appearing in countless versions) in which a politician makes an outrageous claim about an opponent.  Upon hearing this, one of his friends says:  "But how can you say that?  We know he doesn't eat babies!"  To which the first politician responds:  "I know he doesn't eat babies.  I just want to hear the b*****d deny it."

Communication experts will tell you:  When addressing a false and potentially damaging claim, NEVER directly repeat the claim yourself; that is, never say "These allegations that I eat babies are completely false!"  In people's minds, this statement further associates you with the concept of baby-eating.  It doesn't matter how thoroughly you demonstrate your innocence of the deed; you will always, at best, be remembered as the guy who PROBABLY doesn't eat babies.  We are wired to accept most claims at face value, and it takes effort to be skeptical.

And that's why I hate people and politics.

[miscreant]

I know I came across the few hackers/cheaters tonight....

[Necroconvict]

MadFred26, on 23 February 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

You probably have been lucky or haven't been paying attention close enough or both.

But seriously, people are.. if you don't believe that,. just go on google, and search specifically for hacks for this game. Like with almost any game, you will get hits, and in between the many fake hits to draw you into some questionable website, some will lead to proper sites or forums where you can register to purchase aimbot programs and such.

The very fact that these programs, and thus websites and forums exsist - and they do also exsist with specific mwo hacks/aimbots - is the proof that people cheat with these games. Otherwise no one would buy these aimbots and they would not be there and would not continue to offer these programs. But they do, so people cheat. Simple logic.

I have also seen highly questionable things happen in this game sometimes, things that are statistically so improbable even with the best possible build, that if you see a guy do it time and time again if and when you encounter the same guy, it cannot be skills alone. And any experienced gamer with a understanding of the mechanics of the game and mathmatical probabilities in a complex situation like this, would agree. But of course proving it is an almost impossible task most of the time.

But they are out there, that is a cold hard fact that cannot be disputed. And given enough matches, you will encounter some. It's just a very unfortunate fact of gaming. Those that fool themselves into thinking they have skills with their purchased aimbots, not only don't nor ever will have real skills, they ruin everyone else's enjoyment of a fair game in the process, and if I were in charge, I'd let them experience how hard it is to play games without hands attached to their arms..

Wait because people sell a program that they say works as an aimbot, or other is proof that it exists. Hey buddy I have some Oceanic property for sale on Mercury, cheap, only $20.

[Necroconvict]

Lord Ikka, on 23 February 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

Jade Wolf doesn't cheat. They may be insane cloned Clanners, but they are good pilots that don't use hacks. Learn about jump jetting snipers, then learn to move.

Clan Jade Wolf barely existed, and also they don't exist until further into our fictional future. As for the JJ snipers, hardly the great honor believed to exist by the clans... Their love of battle and such.

[Necroconvict]

James Griffin, on 23 February 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

I don't know about others, but I am pretty good at hitting that little blue sliver behind cover, if you are not moving and are exposed even in the sleightest, you can be hit, river city is especially bad for this

on the other hand I HAVE been getting the 'warning targeted' message when I should not be able to be targeted

On the Warning Targeted thing, I have been getting that a ton, but honestly mostly on the ice maps... nearly at the begining of the map... now I never get shot, just targeted... I wonder if it is simply a bug?

[Henree]

Necroconvict, on 24 February 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

Wait because people sell a program that they say works as an aimbot, or other is proof that it exists. Hey buddy I have some Oceanic property for sale on Mercury, cheap, only $20.

clickie linkie below


https://www.facebook...444044445637863

gimme 20$

Necroconvict, on 24 February 2013 - 04:33 AM, said:

He did name the group Jade Wolf at the start, he removed it, but then was encouraged by members of Jade Wold to list them, they wanted it, and by Meatloafs attitude they thrive on having it posted. I could be wrong about that... but I think I am close to the mark lol.

Edited by Henri Schoots, 24 February 2013 - 04:37 AM.

[Necroconvict]

Mad Cat II, on 23 February 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

No he actually named people in Jade Wolves in his original post. Thus it was aimed directly at our clan. Thus he deserves anything "crap" that gets on him.

He did name the group Jade Wolf at the start, he removed it, but then was encouraged by members of Jade Wold to list them, they wanted it, and by Meatloafs attitude they thrive on having it posted. I could be wrong about that... but I think I am close to the mark lol.

[Necroconvict]

Now I do not know that I have ever faced any of these people except once I was in a game with Armand.... whatever...

I have been a gamer for a very long time, I have seen many truly great guilds and clans, but the ones who were the most cocky, eventually fell. Things like being friends with developers, and GMs, who all helped hide their hacks eventually came out. That is not always the case, but it is more common than not. This is Mechwarrior though, perhaps people here are just honorable!

(as the the more often than not.. I speak of the guys at the top... the ones who show off, and go on and on about how great they are, how amazing they are, seem to have a higher chance of either being hackers, or being discovered, versus the guys at the top who keep a cool head. Perhaps though it is the high level of boasting that gets the first group investigated, and the second group could have 20x the hackers.... they just don't get looked at.) Also, bacon... I really want some bacon.

[xxREVxx]

Ronstar, on 23 February 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

We just did an 8v8 in river city. We started on the lower city side and as soon as the match started before we pratically got off our base, we started receiving PPC fire. We moved over into the water behind the citidal and had ecm cover.

We moved into the lower city area and any time we came out to try to target and attack these guys they were shooting us through the walls. I moved into the culdesac and was still under ecm cover, not being tagged, not able to be seen, not being jammed from another ecm and I was in no way able to be seen and was still behind getting targetted and shot through the walls.

We were wiped out in a matter a minutes and my entire team suffered the same fate with the same hacks and cheats.



I don't know if all of them were using hacks, but considering that they were all teamed up on an 8 man, its very suspicious.

They were also advertising the site that they use to get their paid for hacks.

Please DO SOMETHING PGI!! Your game is going to be ruined before you even go live!

removed named due to TOS

Submit the support ticket with all of the pertinent info (who, what, where, and what time) and never post the website info in the open (mods and devs get upset). If these guys were hacking and were advertising that they had a software advantage (which has to be client-side), in a way they are still doing what beta testers are supposed to be doing...use and abuse the game, find the cracks, find the glitches and inaccurate model sizes and such. I have been shot through buildings, rocks and such....(take note of the grid square and report it). For example, River City and Frozen City have some buildings with these inaccuracies. The 8-man you played against could also simply have taken advantage of the model size of the building that you thought was giving you cover, couple that with a zoom module and "voila" you are magically being hit from across the map while behind cover. If that being the case, the other team then bragging about hacking purposely misleading you and creating a false suspicion is truly in poor taste and unprofessional. Screenshot that stuff and submit them with your support ticket as well.

Remember, peeps...we are beta testing. Don't worry about your KDR, don't worry about your stats, don't rage-quit because you got your butt handed to you, play the game and report the things that need to be addressed.

Good hunting,
The PoisonWolf

[Tooninki]

M3atloaf!

Could you post a link to that game if you have it recorded?

So we may learn from the best...

[Elder Thorn]

Viper69, on 23 February 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

i did just that and got old beta hack pictures of aimbots. Nothing new that I have seen. Its always an arms race and the hackers are always ahead of the game. I still doubt seriously there is terrain hacks maybe someone found a spot where colisions arent detected. That is more likely the case.

i had a GFX bug during once. I could see every single mech on the map, because not a single rock or tree or anything like that was displayed. But... i coudln't target them and it would have been very hard to determine the ankle i would have needed to shot from to hit those guys, if i did shoot, i did only hit said - for me invisible - rocks. But, i could imagine, someone might be able to manipulate his client to never show that stuff. In order to shoot over it though, he would need some kind of mesh model or anything.

However, at the topic:
I don't think Jade Wolf hacked here, i don't know them, as i wasn't in the online community of the previous MW Stuff, but i played a few 8on8 matches here and i quickly realised, those matches are WAY different than random matches, and the people there are ze pr0s.
The thread itself reminds me on my Eve Online time. Great stuff, just wait until someone claims goons to be hackers, that'll be great.
So, i'm just gonna grab my popcorn and set this thread to my watchlist.

[xxREVxx]

After reading this thread thoroughly I see who it is that you had in question....alright, let me just say (and this is gonna kill me to say it, lol) that there is no love lost between JW and CSJ but I can assure you that they are not hacking...they are just that good.
There! I said it....I feel dirty now.

[Ghogiel]

Rebas Kradd, on 23 February 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

goes beyond reasonable self-defense and into the territory of coming off like a punk.

Once the tears start flowing, you have to milk it though.

[Stickjock]

Good morning all, as has been said already in this thread, any suspected use of Hacks in-game should be reported to hacks@mwomercs.com and any other in-game violation should be reported to support@mwomercs.com.

As this discussion isn't really going anywhere, I'm going to go ahead and shut this one down...