56 replies to this topic

[CoolLew]

First of all let me say that I am not very good at this game, and only PUG...
However, I had a couple buddies gather around this weekend and I booted up MWO to show them the game. I played 3 quick games and in all 3 matches, my team lost terribly - by at least 7 to 1, even 8 to 0. They asked me, "is it always so lop-sided"?
I had to tell them, "YES, and usually I am on the loosing team at least 4 out of 5 times".
I am not a bad looser, I have been playing this game for months, and have gotten a lot better at it, I have played nearly 1000 matches... nearly always the looser, it has taken a long time to get 3 Atlases to Elite
I know there is nothing that can really be done, but it does get disheartening.

[Flyby215]

Elo has only recently been turned on. You should start seeing about a 50/50 split between wins/losses soon if the rating system is doing its job properly.

If you have 3 Atlases to Elite then probably you have played enough games to get pretty decent at the game. I would suggest that you not get too disheartened. Somewhere along the lines I wish someone had told you that the Atlas is the worst possible mech for new players because, contrary to the popular belief of it being the "strongest mech", the Atlas does require a high degree of situational awareness, aiming ability, and teamwork to use effectively. At 1000 matches you probably know this now.

Going forward, I hope your friends give the game a try. This weekend the best of the best seem to be out in force with the tournament going on, but the grinding ensures that their elo ratings will be high. After this weekend, I am sure that new players will find a much friendlier game than before and hopefully you too will find your place.

Edit: Grammar/Spelling

Edited by Flyby215, 24 February 2013 - 06:09 AM.

[Lightfoot]

I use a Joystick, which is a little hard to configure to be accurate. You might consider that if piloting with a Mouse+Keypad is cumbersome.

If you only pilot Atlas's, you need to buy a medium or heavy like the Centurian or Cataphract so you get a better sense of tactics. The Atlas is limited to just a few tactical choices because it is quite slow and easy to gang up on, in fact that is normal. Hunchback, Centurian, Cataphract, Trebuchet are good choices.

[Night Rider]

maybe the problem is you got bad build and your not good with atlas? in that case your taking place of someone that could make a use of that 100 tons which lowers chances to win? did you try other weight classes ?

[Raegar]

Flyby215, on 24 February 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

Elo has only recently been turned on. You should start seeing about a 50/50 split between wins/losses soon if the rating system is doing its job properly.

If you have 3 Atlases to Elite then probably you have played enough games get pretty decent at the game. I would suggest that you not get too disheartened. Somewhere along the lines I wish someone had told you that the Atlas is the worst possible mech for new players because, contrary to the popular belief of it being the "strongest mech", the Atlas does require a high degree of situational awareness, aiming ability, and teamwork to use effectively. At 1000 matches you probably know this now.

Going forward, I hope your friends give the game a try. This weekend the best of the best seem to be out in force with the tournament going on, but the grinding ensures that their elo ratings will be high. After this weekend, I am sure that new players will find a much friendlier game than before and hopefully you too will find your place.

Yeah, I have high expectations of this tournament. This was a pretty good move of PGI to make the ELO system work better. Hope the matchmaker will be better after this.

[PhDGreg]

Lose. The opposite of win.
Loser. Someone who loses.

Loose. The opposite of tight.
Looser. More loose.

CoolLew, on 24 February 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

First of all let me say that I am not very good at this game, and only PUG...

"Well there's yer problem"

Edited by PhDGreg, 24 February 2013 - 06:21 AM.

[Matt Minus]

I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but I've been seeing much tighter matches this weekend.

[Thirdstar]

CoolLew, on 24 February 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

First of all let me say that I am not very good at this game, and only PUG...
However, I had a couple buddies gather around this weekend and I booted up MWO to show them the game. I played 3 quick games and in all 3 matches, my team lost terribly - by at least 7 to 1, even 8 to 0. They asked me, "is it always so lop-sided"?
I had to tell them, "YES, and usually I am on the loosing team at least 4 out of 5 times".
I am not a bad looser, I have been playing this game for months, and have gotten a lot better at it, I have played nearly 1000 matches... nearly always the looser, it has taken a long time to get 3 Atlases to Elite
I know there is nothing that can really be done, but it does get disheartening.

Lets start from the top, what Atlas variant are you driving and what's your loadout?

[Kaspirikay]

Assaults are not forgiving to inexperienced pilots. Perhaps another mech? If assaults are reallly your thing, you could let us know and we will try to help.

[Warskull]

You need to improve at the game if you want to win more. Being bad is alright as long as you recognize that you need improvement.

I think you need to buy yourself a decent medium. This 4SP will force you to improve.

Other than that, maybe post some of your Atlas builds so we can review it. It is hard to give specific tips on how to get better with so little to work with.

[Josef Nader]

Having a bad Atlas on your team, especially when the enemy Atlas is not bad is a fast track to a loss. Sad fact of the matter, but if your Atlas isn't putting out 600+ damage, your team is probably going to lose.

Learning on an Atlas is the worst possible thing to learn on. Mediums are -much- better mechs to learn without crippling your team if you don't deal more than 100 damage or so.

[cabsen]

I think this might be a problem with Elo-rating of new players, which should be around 1300 iirc.

Too high in my opinion. New players should be rated much lower, to make sure, they get matched with new players only(or mainly)

The current system puts new players right there with and against medicore veterans.
And while it is discouraging to new players, it is also annoying for medicore rated vets, that have to cope with those newbies that hardly understand the basic mechanics of the game.

Edited by cabsen, 24 February 2013 - 07:37 AM.

[SlXSlXSlX]

CoolLew, on 24 February 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

First of all let me say that I am not very good at this game, and only PUG...
However, I had a couple buddies gather around this weekend and I booted up MWO to show them the game. I played 3 quick games and in all 3 matches, my team lost terribly - by at least 7 to 1, even 8 to 0. They asked me, "is it always so lop-sided"?
I had to tell them, "YES, and usually I am on the loosing team at least 4 out of 5 times".
I am not a bad looser, I have been playing this game for months, and have gotten a lot better at it, I have played nearly 1000 matches... nearly always the looser, it has taken a long time to get 3 Atlases to Elite
I know there is nothing that can really be done, but it does get disheartening.

I didnt do well in an atlas at first either. I took me about two months to "get teh ropes" but you could try my method. I got 3 of the worst mech, the dragon, and starting beating me head against a wall. Slowly, and I mean slowly, my scores went up, then I moved to centurions, did the same, then cataphracts... then I got the catapults, and saw some imp[rovements due to how powerful they can be. Finally I came back to the atlas's, some 2+ months, and many mechs later.

Think of the dragon as a backpack with rocks in it. You run in that for 2 weeks, or 2 months, then move to something better, and you will notice a difference. I promise.

To those who say, but I do well in a dragon, I say I know ive seen some real dragon pros, but I sure have an easier time in my splat cat or my atlas with an alpha of 80 something.

Edited by SlXSlXSlX, 24 February 2013 - 07:48 AM.

[Padic]

Yikes. There was a lot of defeatism in that post. If you don't think there's anything you can do to win or get better, how will you ever win or get better?

PUG rule number 1: No one is going to win the match for you.

[SlXSlXSlX]

PUG Rule number 2: Worry about having fun first. Play for yourself, not the end game result, or your stats. Once you get better, you can just make a new account, and have a cleaner set of stats if that is a concern. Ultimately, worry about having fun FIRST. It is a game after all.

[QuantumButler]

All the cheese builds are out in force due to the tournament, wait till that dies down abit.

[Revorn]

I agree that a Medium is maybe a good Startingmech for gathering experience.

The better Movement gives you the possiblity to figth at varrious places and positions through the Match and if you are got killed, its not a too big loss for your Team. Sometimes the better Speed gives you also the change, to get out of tricky Situations.

[CoolLew]

Thanks for the input guys, I am hoping to get my buddies hooked on it like I am (even if I am not very good)

As for my mech, I worked my way up from a Commando, Centurion, 3 Catapults and now 3 Atlas. However, my FPS is pretty low, so I can't really play a fast mech, waay to choppy.

My current load-out is 2 lrg pulse las, med las, AC20, SRM6 (with art), LRM 15 (w/ art)

[WerewolfX]

Swap the LRM for a SRM6 and you could put ERPPCs on it for more reliable long range.Then use the extra tonnage for more Heatsinks and an upsized standard engine. Also with assault mechs I run three tons of Ammo for my AC and 2 tons total for my SRM's

Edited by WerewolfX, 24 February 2013 - 08:06 AM.

[Moonsavage]

Standing in back with LRM Trebuchet - suddenly, Raven 3L and my back armour is gone - Shutdown + ALT F4.

This game sucks