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[SuomiWarder]

They annoy me to no end as well. I just have a gut feeling that driving three light mechs into a formation of 6 to 8 much better armed heavier mechs should be a bad thing done in desperation - rather than a common place tactical descision that usually rewards the three light mechs.

The other days I put an ER PPC and three medium lasers into the side of an overheated Raven. From about 30 meters away. I was standing still. My damage was split between a leg and the side torso I was shooting at. (and hitting if I can trust my view out the windsheild).

And I stand by my post of days ago that Streaks should not me homing missiles. They should fail to launch on a "missed" attack.

[Gaan Cathal]

SuomiWarder, on 25 February 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

The other days I put an ER PPC and three medium lasers into the side of an overheated Raven. From about 30 meters away. I was standing still. My damage was split between a leg and the side torso I was shooting at. (and hitting if I can trust my view out the windsheild).

That actually sounds about right, being as the lasers have the DOT thing, and the PPC also has travel time.

[Accused]

GG

[EmeraldSongbird]

I'll be honest, as a veteran Commando pilot, Commando 2D are my most hated mech. They're small, they can stay behind you without any trouble, lag shield of course... The 3L sucks too, but I haven't seen many since the end of the tournament. I will agree that when I used my Cataphract, I would barrage this thing with my double LBX10s, never missing a shot and the Raven would shrug it off like nothing, even at point blank range.

[blazarian]

The ONLY, and I mean ONLY thing wrong with them is... the lagshield. Waiting to see the EU servers and some high-ping-autokick-system.

[Dark Helm3t]

blazarian, on 25 February 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

The ONLY, and I mean ONLY thing wrong with them is... the lagshield. Waiting to see the EU servers and some high-ping-autokick-system.

well, that and knockdowns would certainly help.

[iminbagdad]

blazarian, on 25 February 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

The ONLY, and I mean ONLY thing wrong with them is... the lagshield. Waiting to see the EU servers and some high-ping-autokick-system.

Nope, knock downs too. Once those princesses can't waltz through our formations with no consequences no one will care. God I dream about lights taking full damage and spending half the match with their faces in the dirt.

beat me to it

Edited by iminbagdad, 25 February 2013 - 11:08 PM.

[EmeraldSongbird]

Dark Helm3t, on 25 February 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

well, that and knockdowns would certainly help.

With light mech fighting this will separate the men from the boys, it will be a glorious day indeed...

[Sug]

blazarian, on 25 February 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

The ONLY, and I mean ONLY thing wrong with them is... the lagshield.

Also only their hitboxes.

[Gaan Cathal]

Doobles, on 25 February 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

I'll be honest, as a veteran Commando pilot, Commando 2D are my most hated mech. They're small, they can stay behind you without any trouble, lag shield of course... The 3L sucks too, but I haven't seen many since the end of the tournament. I will agree that when I used my Cataphract, I would barrage this thing with my double LBX10s, never missing a shot and the Raven would shrug it off like nothing, even at point blank range.

That's because it more or less is nothing.

[Kassatsu]

I got sick of the cookie-cutter min/max build on mine (you know who you are, and I think we all know the build by now) and went with a standard 200 engine (speed tweak puts my max speed at just over 100 so I don't mind how 'slow' I am in comparison), 2 medium lasers, 1 ER PPC, and realizing I had no space left for any thing else, I threw an SSRM2 and one ton of ammo on the left arm. Here it is in all it's glory: RVN-3L

I've had more fun in that build than I ever did using any other build, especially the easy mode auto-win 295XL setup. Only problem is the fact that I can't even keep up with the turns those 295XL setups make, so obviously enough, if there's an enemy 3L i'm pretty much screwed.

If I were to drop the ECM I'd just switch to a 2X with an XL245 engine. Never touching a 4X again.

[blazarian]

Sug, on 25 February 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

Also only their hitboxes.

Well, the lagshield means the off-model hitboxes. You have to shoot in front of the mech and you don't visually see what part you are even hitting.

[LethalRose]

Perhaps this will make you feel better.

[Kaspirikay]

blazarian, on 25 February 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

The ONLY, and I mean ONLY thing wrong with them is... the lagshield. Waiting to see the EU servers and some high-ping-autokick-system.

High pung auto kick. So you dont want oceanic people to play this game?

[Roadbuster]

Jacmac, on 25 February 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

If you can't beat them, join them. You will learn that they aren't so invulnerable.

When I get fed up with them I jump in my own sometimes, true.
But the only thing I learn is that they ARE almost invulernable.

[jakucha]

Wonder what we can do to balance streaks, not to mention SRM stacking in the first place.

[Angus McBeef]

Many ravens run in circles. They're much less dangerous than the ones that don't.

[the huanglong]

valkyrie, on 25 February 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

A good shot, huh? OK, try to imagine yourself on Forest Colony. You get your first look at this "three story chicken walker" as you enter a clearing. He moves like a bird, lightly, bobbing his medium lasers. And you keep still because you think that maybe his targeting is based on heat vision like PPC Stalkers - he'll lose you if you don't move. But no, not the Raven -3L. You stare at him, and he just stares right back. And that's when the attack comes. Not from the front, but from the side, from the other two Ravens you didn't even know were there. Because the Raven -3L's a pack hunter, you see, he uses coordinated attack patterns with ECM and he is out in force today. And he shoots at you with this...



A pair of Streak SRM-2s, like a TOW missile, on the the right torso and the left arm. He doesn't bother to shoot your CT like a Splatcat, say... no no. He shoots at you here, or here, or maybe across the rear armor, cooking off your AC/20 ammo. The point is, you are alive when your ammunition begins to explode.



So you know, try to show a little respect.

Signed on just to like this.

[MonkeyCheese]

Rant incoming

It's a joke that this streak/hitbox thing is still around, and the world will blow up when the nerf finally comes and people quit over it. Seriously fix this crap now before mwo gets bigger and more new people get into the current 3L ***** mode then cry and quit when it gets nerfed.

Now I have loved the ravens since they came into the game and had basically mastered my 4x and 3L before ecm came into the picture, but I haven't run a cheese mode 3L in a while now as it is so easy with ecm/streaks/brokenhitboxes/speed/lagshield/no knockdowns (yes it has that many problems) . I felt dirty playing it, so instead of just selling all my effort after mastering it I decided a new build to better support my team.

My mechbay currently has 3 ravens in it cus I love them so

My ac20 4x
My fast jumpjeting large laser 4x

And my nonwhore 3L that I don't feel dirty playing with ecm lrm15 ml tag and 1 streak running at 100kph, it may still be considered a **** build but I can hang with the long range mechs and be a mini lrm boat while actually supporting my team mates and still getting plenty of kills, killsteals and kill assistss.

When the glory days of knockdowns come back and people stop playing as tanking invincible 3Ls I'm certain we will be seeing lrm/erppc/erll 3L ravens once more who will be playing the scout/information warfare role and not godmode brawlers. Hell it has a narc tube and ecm because of information warfare not for invincible streak madness (also fix narc)

When ravens finally get nerfed from godmode my build won't look so stupid to the haters and at least I won't have to QQ and adapt.

[OpCentar]

TAG+LRM barrage makes short work of 3Ls.

Take a LRM5 and try firing on one, most likely he will duck to cover seeing as he doesn't know how many missiles are actually incoming