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[Flapdrol]

Only real counter to a 3L is an atlas ddc with ecm and 3 ssrm's.

[One Medic Army]

OpCentar, on 26 February 2013 - 02:49 AM, said:

TAG+LRM barrage makes short work of 3Ls.

Take a LRM5 and try firing on one, most likely he will duck to cover seeing as he doesn't know how many missiles are actually incoming

Surprisingly enough, LRM barrage is one of the better ways to deal with a 3L. For best effects get the increased sensor range module so you have a 70m window where he's not safe by breaking TAG LoS.
Used this on Alpine with a friend vs 3 enemy lights (2x 3L and a non-ECM commando). He was a Cataphract, I was a 3C Trebuchet with LRM15 and 10.
We killed one raven and the commando, and ran off the other raven.

[Lugh]

Ah the raven invulnerability bug...

[MrMainiac]

One Medic Army, on 25 February 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

No, they kinda are, unless you're matched up against multiple enemy 3Ls.

Unless they run away from me and let me shoot their rear or shut down in front of me, they routinely take like 4-5x the amount of laser fire to bring down as a Jenner.

Learn to shoot then. If you can't get a raven off ya that's circling ya, then you need to learn to lead your shots with missiles/ballistics. I take them out fine with anything I run, and I mainly use missiles and ballistics

Learn to play

[Naduk]

why do ravens seem to be more protected by lag shield while the other lights got theirs removed
the removal was good but i hate ravens so much right now
it takes an entire team to ALMOST kill one

[ArcDemon]

There is no significant lag shield at the moment other then the one created by your own lag (the difference was quite noticible when piloting my Commando or shooting enemy Commandos in my heavier mechs). What Raven's have is messed up hitboxes. This becomes very apparent if you ignore the body entirely and just shoot at the legs - you can hit them with no more difficulty then any other light mech. The real kicker comes after you've legged a raven with your gauss rifle. You're at point blank range, he's limping at less then 10kph and you shoot his torso going for a kill - and your shots do next to nothing. You end up having to shoot the other leg off because even at those low speeds the body doesn't line up with the hitbox.

[Sug]

blazarian, on 25 February 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Well, the lagshield means the off-model hitboxes.

No...

MrMainiac, on 26 February 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

Learn to shoot then. If you can't get a raven off ya that's circling ya, then you need to learn to lead your shots with missiles/ballistics. I take them out fine with anything I run, and I mainly use missiles and ballistics

Learn to play

Don't be an *******. The only light I have issues with is the Raven. Yeah I've gotten lucky and legged a couple Ravens with an AC/SRM shot once or twice. Actually twice. I remember because i was astounded both times. Anyone that consistently fights Ravens can tell something is off about them.

[MonkeyCheese]

Sug, on 26 February 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

No...



Don't be an *******. The only light I have issues with is the Raven. Yeah I've gotten lucky and legged a couple Ravens with an AC/SRM shot once or twice. Actually twice. I remember because i was astounded both times. Anyone that consistently fights Ravens can tell something is off about them.

Ignore the trolls

Clearly everyone who has the balls to speak up who is not a "L2P troll" admits they have broken hit boxes no matter what speed they are going.

Sad things are that the most effective things for definite damage the LRMs and SSRMs are mostly prevented by ECM, and that PGI hasnt admitted officially that there are problems with the 3L/ECM/SSRMs.

Sure usually you could spray SRMs, ballistics and lasers in the general area of a light mech or any mech and watch its ragdoll flash and change colors due to damage, but as already stated in this thread multiple times there are clearly hitbox problems with the raven and the only reliable location to vomit your weaponry is at their feet.

[One Medic Army]

MrMainiac, on 26 February 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

Learn to shoot then. If you can't get a raven off ya that's circling ya, then you need to learn to lead your shots with missiles/ballistics. I take them out fine with anything I run, and I mainly use missiles and ballistics

Learn to play

I think you've missed the point.
The point was that Ravens absorb more fire than other lights or a similar tonnage and armor amount with lasers.
They also seem to shrug off some SRM volleys (I have emptied two Artemis 6packs into a raven, and hit, armor only went yellow. It was a solid hit from my perspective).
Few of my mechs carry ballistics, however I do carry PPCs which function in a similar manner. I've legged a raven with a single ERPPC, that was repeatedly hitting it in the torso (where I was aiming).

Their hitboxes are screwed up, period.

I have spent 30 seconds working SRMs and lasers into a Raven, lots of hits on my screen (and his armor was flashing soooo...) and it did barely anything. I turn to fire at the Jenner with him and boom, damage registers, Jenner drops.
It's not a question of pilot skill here because I can hit other light mechs without issue.

Edited by One Medic Army, 26 February 2013 - 10:03 AM.

[Strucker]

valkyrie, on 25 February 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

A good shot, huh? OK, try to imagine yourself on Forest Colony. You get your first look at this "three story chicken walker" as you enter a clearing. He moves like a bird, lightly, bobbing his medium lasers. And you keep still because you think that maybe his targeting is based on heat vision like PPC Stalkers - he'll lose you if you don't move. But no, not the Raven -3L. You stare at him, and he just stares right back. And that's when the attack comes. Not from the front, but from the side, from the other two Ravens you didn't even know were there. Because the Raven -3L's a pack hunter, you see, he uses coordinated attack patterns with ECM and he is out in force today. And he shoots at you with this...



A pair of Streak SRM-2s, like a TOW missile, on the the right torso and the left arm. He doesn't bother to shoot your CT like a Splatcat, say... no no. He shoots at you here, or here, or maybe across the rear armor, cooking off your AC/20 ammo. The point is, you are alive when your ammunition begins to explode.



So you know, try to show a little respect.

Teach me oh mighty troll for my body is ready

[Spinning Burr]

Catalinasgrace, on 25 February 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

If you took the ssrms away from the raven only the better pilots could play them... As it is now those make the mech easy mode win for anyone... I especially love the part when I'm chasing one in a spider and there is nothing they can do about it. So they turn all the way around fire their ssrm2's at me and SOMEHOW they hit my rear instead of my front and kill me within 2-3 shots... That is the best EVER... lol... Lag shield is another thing, I can blast 10+ shots into their rear torsos or rear center and no damage is accounted for, perhaps maybe yellow... The same amount of shots on any other mech besides the commando will have been cored without a problem...

I don't know how you play your spider, but I thought it common knowledge that spiders are severely disadvantaged against Raven 3L's. So much so that 3L's go after spiders for a guaranteed kill, and spider pilots better bolt and jump over or onto something fast to break streak lock and get away. I think I'm good in my spider, but if I see a 3L I have to stay on other side of the map. If he is in range I have to pray that there is some tactical leverage in the environment I can exploit just to get away. I can't even straight out outrun the Raven. Please share your secrets on 3L killing because I find it a completely unfair fight.

[buttmonkey]

as a jenner pilot i can tell you that the 3l is a nightmare, if i come acrosss one im left with only 2 choices, lead it back to my team and hope it dont kill me first or if thats not an option just bend over and spread my cheeks wide and go to my happy place

[Dark Helm3t]

Was spectating a 3L Raven last night on Alpine while he was fighting an AC/20 Hunchback. The Hunchback did a good job of peeling the armor off his right torso and arm. Then he managed to put an AC/20 shot into that same side which did absolutely nothing to him. My screen rocked and could clearly hear it hit, but yet, nothing was affected. I've never seen any other mech shrug off an AC/20 shot like that.

Now to be fair, I've killed my share of Ravens and other lights with AC/20's, one of my most satisfying moments was watching a Commando disintegrate from taking one to the chest, but something's wrong when a spectator can see/hear that it gets hit and nothing happens.

[Spinning Burr]

I hate that Raven 3L's have a cocky attitude. I don't know if it has to do with how they look, how they casually strut around like they don't care what's going on around them really, or if I'm just projecting my hate on the cocky bird. Probably all of the above.

[LT Kinslayer]

Raven Hitboxes are borked. That is the only issue.

Edited by LT Kinslayer, 26 February 2013 - 10:53 AM.

[Shifty Eyes]

JSparrowist, on 25 February 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

*sniff* *sniff* ....sure you are...

you guys are mean

[Chunkylad]

Fought 5 3Ls earlier + one of the crap variants... my screen went black when I saw all 5 in frame.

[Commander Kobold]

they should change the tracking on the SSRMs to be more like the LRMs, sort of a lazy tracker

[KingNobody]

I prefer the 2X and 4X to the 3L. The 2X has great hardpoints and the 4X has JJs (I love JJs). I keep the 3L for when I'm in teams, I don't bother running it when I PUG (which is mostly). If I want ECM, I take my Spider 5D, again because I love JJs (currently working on mastering the 5D).

My first love, however, is Jenners, and the Jenner D is a superior 'mech in every way to the Raven 3L. 4 ML and 2 SRM4s is a mighty loadout for a light, and they have JJs for that surprise attack or quick getaway. I find Jenners, Spiders, and even the other Raven variants more enjoyable to pilot than the 3L.

[Alistair Winter]

Chunkylad, on 26 February 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Fought 5 3Ls earlier + one of the crap variants... my screen went black when I saw all 5 in frame.

I also fought 5 Raven 3Ls today. As soon as the match started, my cat started hissing, the lights started flickering in my room and I got a nosebleed. Is that normal?

http://img707.images...753/5ravens.jpg