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[Like a Sir]

That "No" option, is ruining your poll.

I do not remember who said it, but it wasn't me (I stole it from another whiny catapult poll thread).

[Glythe]

Franchi, on 26 February 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

So what can a A1 do better than any other mech? Boat SRM's.

I deny that as being a intended existence with the understanding that the whole point of the hard point system is to prevent large scale boating. Double armor was introduced so you don't die in 3 shots. The A1 catapult can core targets in 3 hits. As such there is a huge disconnect in this mech.

The catapult overall has a LOT of things going for it.

1. Best mech in the game other than a light for running an XL engine with almost no penalty. I say almost because 9 games out of 10 you won't die to side torso loss.

2. Can move very quickly for a heavy with said XL engine AND can torso twist very quickly.

3. When you combine this with the outrageous level of torso twist things get out of hand.

Edited by Glythe, 27 February 2013 - 12:15 AM.

[sC4r]

Garfuncle, on 27 February 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Either read and then remove my thread from this list, as you clearly never read it at all, and are therefore completely ignorant of its actual topic, or be reported for "name and shame" thread.

yes you are correct i didnt read what you said... i just came in voted and left

why?
there are hundreeds of topics like this and what each OP says repeats itself over and over again yet is untrue

learn to deal with cats

[Like a Sir]

sC4r, on 27 February 2013 - 12:17 AM, said:

yes you are correct i didnt read what you said... i just came in voted and left

why?
there are hundreeds of topics like this and what each OP says repeats itself over and over again yet is untrue

learn to deal with cats

Do you pet them, give them catnip, take their pictures, and then shoot them in the cockpit?

[Monky]

The only thing catapults need is a slight reduction in side to side torso twist range, 15-20 degrees less, just so there's a way to get behind them. Fit with short range weapons they turn from a support centric role to a standard-bearer for a brawler (at least in terms of ease of use). cutting back on some of the side benefits like being able to see practically directly behind them (which no other mech can do) makes sense.

[Mazzyplz]

Like a Sir, on 27 February 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Do you pet them, give them catnip, take their pictures, and then shoot them in the cockpit?

not before uploading them to FB

[GalaxyBluestar]

roguetrdr, on 26 February 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

This is the second poll you've started with exactly the same questions and answers. I understand u mad but seriously do you need to keep spamming the forums with this crap? Personally I think you would be much better off putting all this energy into working around the big bad catapult problem you've been having by using, oh I don't know, skill and tactics?

i'm actually i'm totally in agreement with you

the poll last time showed a heavy sway for skills and tactics out doing cats, that's a good thing

then i find threads continuing to pop up so AGAIN do we have to spell it out. people who can't handle catapults are in the minority, please join the rest of the community who can defeat them!

if i could lock threads i'd lock both of my polls, everyone has said their piece time and time again and catapults are fine.

i don't make polls to be vindictave of either side i just whant the whine to stop and try and have some proff to back it. however as a bunch of people say haters gonna hate regardless of the number of people telling them they're wrong. so that's that.

[MustrumRidcully]

Most mechs sacrifice a crit to a lower arm actuator (some even for a useless hand) so they can have the same potential firing arc as the Catapult. But to do so, they not just sacrifice that slot - they also can only do this inside their arms.

Why is that? Normally, the lower arm actuator is supposed to be a benefit so you can have a wider firing arc then without. But in MW:O, the only mech that is penalized in this regard is the Stalker.

This is the only thing that is problematic about the Catapult itself, everything is related to imbalanced weapons. Lower the torso twist range. You don't need to do it worse than the Stalker 3F, but it shouldn't be as wide as it is now.

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 27 February 2013 - 01:14 AM.

[One Medic Army]

Just going to throw this out there, Catapult in TT gets the increased twist range with some of the optional rules (an extra hex to each side or 300degrees).
It also gets the downside of having practically no arms which IIRC makes it much harder for a Catapult to get up if it falls over via those same optional rules.

[Mazzyplz]

Glythe, on 27 February 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

I deny that as being a intended existence with the understanding that the whole point of the hard point system is to prevent large scale boating.

what?!?!

who lied to you so blatantly!?
why do you think awesome 8q can boat so many energy weapons straight out of canon?!?
same with the hunchback 4p.
let's not forget the periphery's nova cat.

i'm guessing you're also going to cry foul when they introduce the jagermech next month huh?
4x ballistic too much for you? why wait, make a thread about how broken it is now.

Edited by Mazzyplz, 27 February 2013 - 01:33 AM.

[Commander Kobold]

lsp, on 26 February 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

I don't really have an issue with pults. If I was going to make a issue about it, I would argue that the k2 shouldn't be able to mount GR or ac20's in it's machinegun slots. And the torso twist is better then most brawler's which is pretty ridiculous. Considering the role the pult iis originally designed for.

I like being able to fire my missle while walking away, kitty should not be put into brawling range.

Mazzyplz, on 27 February 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

what?!?!

who lied to you so blatantly!?
why do you think awesome 8q can boat so many energy weapons straight out of canon?!?
same with the hunchback 4p.
let's not forget the periphery's nova cat.

i'm guessing you're also going to cry foul when they introduce the jagermech next month huh?
4x ballistic too much for you? why wait, make a thread about how broken it is now.

isn't there a dakka phract with 4 balistic slots?

MustrumRidcully, on 27 February 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

Most mechs sacrifice a crit to a lower arm actuator (some even for a useless hand) so they can have the same potential firing arc as the Catapult. But to do so, they not just sacrifice that slot - they also can only do this inside their arms.

Why is that? Normally, the lower arm actuator is supposed to be a benefit so you can have a wider firing arc then without. But in MW:O, the only mech that is penalized in this regard is the Stalker.

This is the only thing that is problematic about the Catapult itself, everything is related to imbalanced weapons. Lower the torso twist range. You don't need to do it worse than the Stalker 3F, but it shouldn't be as wide as it is now.

mechs shouldn't be tweaked to fix shoddy weapon balancing

[Brilig]

I think the problem has more to do with SRMs than it does the A-1. The SRM despite its short range is a very effective weapon. I think it might be a little too effective when boated. The A-1 isn't the only mech to use as many SRMs as it can hold. I love the 3 I have on my DDC.

[Suki]

DegeneratePervert, on 26 February 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

Polls are useless. Everyone who said "no, the A1 is fine" (or whatever) is delusional. Yes, I get it, you're some sort of mech-god and can pop both ears off in SECONDS with PERFECT ACCURACY, even if they come within 50m of you.

So many people "delusional" and You're THE ONLY ONE RIGHT?
I praise God that this right minority is living in the nuthouse.

Edited by Suki, 27 February 2013 - 03:31 AM.

[DogmeatX]

Catapults are very versatile and flexible, I don't run one myself but know someone who does.

Certain boats can be annoying but they still have their weaknesses.

Just the other day I was in two matches. The first one had 3 PGI devs in it on enemy team, one of them in a splat cat (A1 with mostly SRMs and couple streaks for good measure). It was fairly even to begin with both sides taking pot shots and playing cat and mouse using jets to pop up and down, on frozen city.

I was in an Ilya sniping their Catapult that kept trying to jet up. I was partially hiding behind a building so had good cover.

After some time of this next thing I know I'm taking serious damage from behind. Just turned in time to get destroyed by the PGI dev who was in the A1 splatcat (Sorry I forget who was in which!)

Basically they used very good tactics: the main front kept our team distracted, while their short range A1 went the long way round and gave our team serious damage from behind - he even managed to make his way back over the ridge back to his team.

The SRM boat otherwise would have not been able to do anything vs the long range guys. Sure it was painful getting pwned in a couple of volleys but I liked they had to deploy decent tactics and a flanking A1 to do the damage to begin with (our side lost)

The next round the same devs this time on my side! But we lost because our team was fairly split up.

A1 splatcat therefore did well using tactics and situational awareness, and I lost because I didn't see him coming round and couldn't get away from him.

The exact same A1 in the following round (admittedly it was river city conquest this time) the team lost.

Every time I see an SRM boat or streakcat I try to get out of range as quick as possible or try to snipe them - that's essentially the counter, they're short range! If they get in your face then you should be in trouble. They're helpless outside of their kill zones.

Same for gauss cats - they're pretty lethal but again you counter by using cover etc. circle round get them from behind and other means.

I don't like the whole "nerf this nerf that" thing, it would be better if other aspects of the game were improved/buffed instead where possible.

The only exceptions would be if something is really very broken or detrimental, for example I personally thing ECM+streak combo needs looking at because it makes people want to take a 3L or ECM light most of the time over non ECM lights. Things like that need looking at.

Also about premades being on one side but not on the other side. That's another serious failing which needs sorting still.

[Goldhawk]

Let's solve this problem, got one? Put an autocannon on your mech. Problem still exists? Put a bigger autocannon on your mech. What? The problem is fighting back? Double your autocannon. Problem obliterated.