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[That Dawg]

Jason Parker, on 27 February 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Before you ask: No I do sadly not have kids. But thinking back to when I started to know swearwords and started to use them when I am amongst people my age I know that the internet has freaking nothing to do with children picking up that crap.

Ah, everything, how one views the finite and infinite, everything changes permanently when you do.
Yes, no doubt he has heard everything. I'm sure our folks had the same dilemma. "Well, little jonny's heard it all before, so lets let him start watching **** and swearing like a sailor at dinner"...timeless, eh?

I just dropped another 30 bucks on this so called "beta" last night. Based on my WOT expenditures, couple of hundred a year for entertainment. Food for thought oh those who make such things happen.

[Jam the Bam]

Another point for the profanity filter is simple quality of life/playtime.

The words used are universally insulting to those who understand English and a lot of those who don't, its unpleasant and massively reduces the quality of any game where you are forced to see everything another player has to say about you.

Adding a filter in for those of us who want to use it, and have it as an option, would make the game a much more pleasant place to play.

[Chrithu]

I admit I didn't really think it through when I posted that. It wasn't even the point I wanted to make.

Of course it is not necessary to accept that children are exposed to so much profanity in the net and of course one should try to protect them from it.

What I wanted to argue is that filters are a truely working means of preventing it. As I said, for people knowing the swearwords the filter is not working at all, because human reading works as it works. Then they are easily circumvented which people that truely want to insult others WILL do. Of course it is report- and bannable to circumvent a filter. But that goes for insults per se al ready at this point. Let alone all the techinical issues with chatfilters regarding false positives and over restrictive filters that interfere with normal communication to the point of being impossible and thus negatively affecting the experience again.

Instead of a filter a means of reporting that stuff via the post-game screen with an automatically attached chatlog in my view would be more effective when those violations are then also punished accordingly. As this would get a learning process of "if I do that I cannot play" going. All a filter does is : Oh I can write insults as much as I want the chat does the thinking and filtering for me.

Edited by Jason Parker, 27 February 2013 - 06:28 AM.

[Grandmaster Ramrod]

"Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB"

Sorry, but if your kid learns naughty words from this game (regardless whether it's you playing or not) then I'm afraid that's on you. No one else, you.

I understand why an optional filter might be desirable in your situation but it really is your responsiblity to ensure your children are not exposed to what you deem unsuitable. I assume if you're watching a violent/mature film after the watershed you take steps to ensure your child is not exposed to it - the exact same thing applies here.


EDIT: I'm talking about general swearing here. If someone is attacking you specifically, then take screenshots and submit them to support because that ain't on.

Edited by Grandmaster Ramrod, 27 February 2013 - 07:06 AM.

[Icepick]

A few times I have been annoyed enough to put a yellow sticky note over the upper left side of my screen - Not because profanity bothers me, but because ******** do - at least after a while. A poor man's "chat off" function, as it were.

[That Dawg]

Grandmaster Ramrod, on 27 February 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

"Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB"

Sorry, but if your kid learns naughty words from this game (regardless whether it's you playing or not) then I'm afraid that's on you. No one else, you.

I understand why an optional filter might be desirable in your situation but it really is your responsiblity to ensure your children are not exposed to what you deem unsuitable. I assume if you're watching a violent/mature film after the watershed you take steps to ensure your child is not exposed to it - the exact same thing applies here.


EDIT: I'm talking about general swearing here. If someone is attacking you specifically, then take screenshots and submit them to support because that ain't on.

Clearly you missed the point a couple of us are trying to make here. Wasting much more time typing anything would be akin to teaching the pig to whistle.
Of greater interest to me, are those who are suggesting its an encroachment on us all to have a filter in place.

As to screenshots and reporting..LOL...been playing online since 2000, and I have yet to hear of any repercussions from such evidence. "Reporting" is a tool of the **** hurt to feel like they have struck back at the offender...nothing more.


edit: HA! they have a filter installed here, toooo funny. Too funny.

Edited by ThatDawg, 27 February 2013 - 08:23 AM.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Read my sig, this is why I'm asking for an on/off switch for chat.

[Chrithu]

ThatDawg, on 27 February 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

As to screenshots and reporting..LOL...been playing online since 2000, and I have yet to hear of any repercussions from such evidence. "Reporting" is a tool of the **** hurt to feel like they have struck back at the offender...nothing more.

Well similar could be and was said about filters. They are a tool for the ********* to pretend the insult didn't happen.

Edited by Jason Parker, 27 February 2013 - 08:32 AM.

[Chrithu]

Werewolf486, on 27 February 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Read my sig, this is why I'm asking for an on/off switch for chat.

Fair point. I actually would like this a lot more than a filter. Not because I love profanity and swearing but because I dislike filtering on a principle basis for being a form of censorhsip that doesn't solve any underlying problem and in their latest incarnation start to be absurdly restrictive to the point of making normal chatting impossible.

SWTOR had this problem when I played it. Tera Onine has this problem. Those are the first two still existant online games that I have played lately that suffer from overly restrictive chat filters. And on top of messing with normal unharmful chat it also does not help with profantity at all because everyone is just circumventing the damned thing. So instead of **** you you now read ******* you. Doesn't make it really better.

Edit: Hehe nice one. The filter in here actually is at least fool proof.

Edit 2: Yes I am aware that in the case of real insults the term censorship is not really in place.

Edited by Jason Parker, 27 February 2013 - 08:41 AM.

[IRSmurf]

A profanity filter in the options would be entirely reasonable. But I'd want it turned off by default.

[The Legendary Samurai]

Jammerben87, on 27 February 2013 - 05:17 AM, said:

Ok so what i have concluded from this so far:

People should be allowed to call me a 'B****** N***** F***face' (obviously without the stars) repeatedly for the duration of the game and its my fault for being offended by this, and since he's dead and I'm alive there is no way to avoid this apart from leaving the game.

You guys are starting to prove why the internet is such a crap filled place. Time to go play something else.

Correct. And you are allowed to ignore them. Sticks and stones, right? Don't be so sensitive.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

Jammerben87, on 27 February 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:

Is there any form of chat filter in MWO?

I had a game this morning where a player on the other team apparently didn't like having his arse handed to him and proceeded to tell us in very graphic terms what he thought about it.

Now I know people are disappointed when they lose but is there any way to filter out some of the inane and insulting drivel you receive from certain players?

if you're so affected by words then how do you get through day to day life?

[Jabilo]

Two links.

Fraps will allow you to take screenshots.

http://www.fraps.com/

Where to send screenshot.

support@mmomercs.com

Bringing it to the forum is a waste of time.

Edited by Jabilo, 27 February 2013 - 04:37 PM.

[Nightcrept]

In my case I just don't like being forced to listen to someones moral beliefs.

Someone who curses in public is no different to me then someone who runs around telling me how to live or preaching religion or politics.

I just don't want to hear it while I'm playing a game.

[New Breed]

ThatDawg, on 27 February 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

I'll try that when my 11 year old walks by, looks over my shoulder.

A great number of games have it installed. why not here?

.....you are worried that your 11 year old sees a swear word?. Oh man.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

Nightcrept, on 27 February 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

In my case I just don't like being forced to listen to someones moral beliefs.

so they're putting a gun to your head then? or otherwise making you incapable of ignoring them? maybe you just have no willpower or are looking for attention? Or maybe your ego is so huge that you cannot ignore opposing opinions because you view them as an attack on yourself?

Nightcrept, on 27 February 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

Someone who curses in public is no different to me then someone who runs around telling me how to live or preaching religion or politics.

people are no different to me than other people, but what I want to know, is what do you mean by your statement? you seem to have singled out only a specific group of people. Do you have a problem with freedom of speech?

Nightcrept, on 27 February 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

I just don't want to hear it while I'm playing a game.

it's text not sound, but maybe you should stop paying attention to it? Unless of course the very thought of it existing keeps you up at night. If that's the case then you should see a the****** before you start killing innocent people for their beliefs.

[GhostBear64]

Unless you have a very "closeted" child seeing a swear word is the least of your worries !!

[Koniving]

It happens. Sometimes there is great fun to be had in the person's misery and ignorance. Sometimes there's not. Profanity does happen. It is up to us to be mature enough to decide whether we pick it up or not.

I found that restricting someone from being able to use it is the same as encouraging it. Instead I choose whether or not to use it. Children with certain levels of mental maturity will also choose whether or not to use it based on the reactions around them (if shunned or frowned upon for it, they are likely to abandon the words).

A profanity filter may come. Although considering that 80% of the fan-base are well over twenty, it is not unreasonable that the concept has been a low and forgotten priority.

All that said...

I think at the very least there should be a way to mute or hide the chat box if you're not interested in the conversation going on.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

Ghost Bear, on 27 February 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

.....you are worried that your 11 year old sees a swear word?. Oh man.

that's a typical lazy parent for you. blaming others for the behavior of their children instead of taking responsibility themselves.

bad language isn't bad because of the word, it's bad because of the intent. Blaming the words for being bad diverts attention from the intent behind the user- but i digress.

I can use any words I want to **** talk you, because its not the words, but my intent and the projection I make onto you that gets you to take a swing at me, not the words themself. So instead of telling your kids ITS BAD DON'T DO IT, why not tell them why its bad instead of a "because i said so" or "just because" answer. Of course that would require not being lazy and would require you to use your brain for a change.

Edited by Battlecruiser, 27 February 2013 - 05:21 PM.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

This subject isn't always about swear words people, its about the other inappropriate stuff that's said. I don't want my child's SX ED to come from the chat in game. I don't want them to understand half of what is typed into chat and I'm sure that other parents feel the same way. This is why I started this thread

http://mwomercs.com/...t-again-please/