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[Wip3ou7]

I don't understand how giving a hero mech ECM makes this a pay to win? Theres only like 4 or so other mechs that you can get for free that can also equip ECM... Ohhh nooo now the same people who are crying that ECM is not a problem / raven / commando are not a problem are now crying that giving ECM to a Cicada would make it OP and pay to win!! If ECM or Streaks are not OP then thats the problem with giving them to a Cicada or Hero mech? OHHH NO THE PRETTY BABY CAN USE ER PPCs THIS GAME IS PAY TO WIN!

[Wip3ou7]

It's sooo funny, ironic, and hypocritical... I swear the people that pilot Raven-3Ls and Commando-2Ds are mostly the same people that say there is no problem with ECM/SSRMs and ALSO are the same people who would freak the hell out if the Hero Cicada got ECM+SSRMs and would claim this game is Pay to Win.

Edited by Wip3ou7, 28 February 2013 - 03:58 PM.

[Wip3ou7]

According to the logic of these "omgzpay2winz" people, mechs that you pay real money for should be absolute ****. Because if they are anywhere near useful, "omgzpay2winz r no fairz! my raven is supposed to be invincible forever"

Do you expect people to pay money for BAD mechs?? Why would you pay real money for a mech that is worse than or no better than a regular mech?

Edited by Wip3ou7, 28 February 2013 - 04:03 PM.

[Joker Two]

What if those "headlights" are mountings for not "advanced", but "experimental" technologies. I don't mean an early appearance of ERMLAS or C3, but something the IS is capable of in-time frame but doesn't use much. It is notable that the cicada is designated an "X".

I looked at the set-up and thought "missiles...hmmm...maybe", and the looked a little more at the size and length of the housing, not the ports themselves, and thought "Blazer Cannon!" (For those who don't know, it's a single energy weapon that basically works like two large lasers fired together, with a little less weight and damage, same heat.) Looking at it more, I begin to doubt myself, but it's a thought.

As to how the chassis itself might be distinguished (not just the initial weapons loadout on purchase coughJR7-Kcough...coughSTKcough), perhaps ther are actually the implementation of separate Large and Small hardpoints. Those could be either Large (i.e. fitting PPC, LLAS, BLAZER) energy hardpoints if I'm right about the Blazers, or Small (fitting SRM-2, -4, LRM-5) missile hardpoints if it's missiles.

Of course, that's a little wishlisting, but we'll see. I suppose they could be electronics mountings, but anything beyond ECM is next to worthless (sorry PGI, but it's true) or doesn't exist yet.

[ryoma]

Wip3ou7, on 28 February 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

According to the logic of these "omgzpay2winz" people, mechs that you pay real money for should be absolute ****. Because if they are anywhere near useful, "omgzpay2winz r no fairz! my raven is supposed to be invincible forever"

Do you expect people to pay money for BAD mechs?? Why would you pay real money for a mech that is worse than or no better than a regular mech?

Nice Straw man.

The actual argument is that a Cicada Hero mech with 4 lasers hard points and 2 missile hardpoints+ECM would be better than any of the other Cicadas and thus pay to win.

[silentD11]

Wip3ou7, on 28 February 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

It's sooo funny, ironic, and hypocritical... I swear the people that pilot Raven-3Ls and Commando-2Ds are mostly the same people that say there is no problem with ECM/SSRMs and ALSO are the same people who would freak the hell out if the Hero Cicada got ECM+SSRMs and would claim this game is Pay to Win.

I've got a whole stable and alternate between multiple mechs, yes I do have the 3L, DDC, and 3M, they have ECM. I've got other mechs I use just as much that don't have ECM. Honestly, this thing needs ECM for a purchase to even be remotely justified.

If it doesn't have ECM, it's one of two things. It's either a crappier Jenner and will get eaten alive by other ECM lights and the current dog fighting Jenner. Or it's a shittier medium missile platform and will get crushed by the 4SP and the Centurion because those pack either 2x SRM6 or 3x SRM6 and there's no way on earth the lighter chassis of the Cicada can keep up with that. Giving ECM is the only way it will make sense to pick as a medium missile platform over those two. So this thing is ECM or bust right now.

As for yelling over pay 2 win. The only hero mech you see in any real numbers is the Iya, and that's because it's the only one that can mount three UAC5. And outside of the extremely gimicky 2x ERPPC 1x Gauss poptart Cat, the Iya is leaps and bounds better than any other Cataphract, and it's typically better than that one as well outside of a few situations. So we already have a situation where a paid mech is better than the others, get over it.

Lastly, it's NOT ECM that makes the Raven so abhorrent, and it's not even ECM + SSRM completely. It's ECM + SSRM, lack of knock downs, and it's insane target profile. This that hit you, often don't (like I won't get the actual damage, just minimal) that makes it so much of a problem. It's harder to hit than any other mech because of it'***** box. The Cicada on the other hand lacks this advantage completely, it's made of tissue paper and just as easy to nail as a hunchback. So this thing would be vastly less of an issue than the current 3L.

There's no real reason not to give the thing ECM other than people crying about it (which is dumb people will just play 3Ls instead of this much easier to kill mech), and a ton of reasons why it would be worthless without.

[DirePhoenix]

FupDup, on 28 February 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Where the heck are people seeing a fifth energy hardpoint?

probably the same place PGI sees 2 energy hardpoints in the Spider 5D arm, or 3 ballistic hardpoints in the HBK torso or YLW arm.

[ohtochooseaname]

I'd probably buy it if it has ECM. If not, I won't. Even with ECM, it's crappier than the 3L unless you put an XL300 or smaller engine in it, making it slower and a bigger target. I have a 3M, and if this thing doesn't have ECM, it could demolish it (UAC 5 ftw!)

On a side note, the fact that it is an "X-5" makes me think it will have some experimental stuff, so possibly ECM capable, and people's comments about the strider makes me think that this could be an experimental version of the Strider, hence the missile ports, which are obviously there.

[KharnZor]

Why make a hero mech for the worst mech in the game?

[Wip3ou7]

Let's face it. Get ready babies. The Cicada X-5 is PGI's answer to the Raven-3L. Let the @$$48X15 begin.

8 lasers, 2 missile (2)'s, 8 jumpjets
Double ECM

Edited by Wip3ou7, 28 February 2013 - 06:34 PM.

[hargneux]

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There's no real reason not to give the thing ECM other than people crying about it (which is dumb people will just play 3Ls instead of this much easier to kill mech), and a ton of reasons why it would be worthless without.

There is a real reason. There is already an ECM capable Cicada.

Don't you guys remember last month when everyone had their hopes up that megaman would have ECM ?

Q.E.D.

[Sacrosanct]

FactorlanP, on 27 February 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

Yawn...

Would much rather have a Hero version of the Atlas..

PGI is afraid to make an atlas hero.

[silentD11]

hargneux, on 28 February 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

There is a real reason. There is already an ECM capable Cicada.

Don't you guys remember last month when everyone had their hopes up that megaman would have ECM ?

Q.E.D.

The 2d, 3l, and DDC all have the best possible hardpoints for their class even without ECM. The 3M doesn't have the best by a pretty good margin. Which is why it's gimped.

And I'd have been completely OK with Deaths Knell having ECM, if they implement it now you won't hear a single complaint out of me.

Edited by silentD11, 28 February 2013 - 07:28 PM.

[Terror Teddy]

Wip3ou7, on 28 February 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Do you expect people to pay money for BAD mechs?? Why would you pay real money for a mech that is worse than or no better than a regular mech?

Or you know, we pay for:
-The C-bill bonus
-Unique paint job
-DIFFERENT equipment setup

They are no better then any other mech and the Ilya for example is a worse ballistic boat than the other one with X4 slots. I dont have the time or attention span to grind so I pay a little cash for a mech.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

5 energy,3 balistic

[Seanamal]

I predict 2ml 2sl 2ssrm2 2 tons ammo ecm full armor, FF, Endo, 340xl engine

[BigJim]

ryoma, on 28 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Nice Straw man.

The actual argument is that a Cicada Hero mech with 4 lasers hard points and 2 missile hardpoints+ECM would be better than any of the other Cicadas and thus pay to win.

You mean just like a Jenner-D, but slower, with less manoeuvrability, less arm-traverse (2x vs 4x hardpoints movable) and no jumpjets?

ZOMG people!

Get out of this mindset of comparing it with other Cicadas, compare it against other mechs in general.


..And even if you do compare it vs other 'Cadas, without ECM (and nobody kids yourselves; With 6x Weapon hardpoints it won't have ECM as well, just like the 2A), it can't be called "better" than the 3M.

Why don't you see every Light pilot running the Jenn-D? No ECM, that's why.
Event hough it's got "better" hardpoints than any other light, it's not as overall useful as the ECM-capable one.

Your entire argument is just knee-jerk stuff mate.

I'd be among the first to be upset if a genuinely Pay to Win mech came in, but this is not it, and the crying-wolf we get every. single. time. a new Hero-mech comes out just gets boring.

[Wip3ou7]

This is gonna be 1 laser on each arm, 1 laser on each side torso, and 1 MSL(2) on each side torso. Jump jets would make this mech a lot of fun, especially since Cicadas are supposed to have a huge jumping capability on their own even without jets. Anyway, thats 6 weapon hardpoints and they are all blatantly visible (including the MSL2s) in both placement and type. I highly doubt that will have ECM. Jump Jets are up in the air (badda-bing, thats a joke, get it?). Weight wise it wouldnt make any sense to have it able to carry more than that. I look forward to running this with 2 PPCs and 2 SRM2s or 4 MPLAS and 2 SRM6s or something along those lines. Too bad this thing wasn't 2 LAS, 2 BAL, 2 MSL. That woulda been coolness.

[KharnZor]

ryoma, on 28 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Nice Straw man.

The actual argument is that a Cicada Hero mech with 4 lasers hard points and 2 missile hardpoints+ECM would be better than any of the other Cicadas and thus pay to win.

I'm sorry but unless they arm the cicada hero mech with tactical nuclear missiles and a dimensional teleportation device the thing will still be the worst mech in the game bar none.

[Klaus]

KharnZor, on 01 March 2013 - 01:06 AM, said:

I'm sorry but unless they arm the cicada hero mech with tactical nuclear missiles and a dimensional teleportation device the thing will still be the worst mech in the game bar none.

Do you even play this game?

4 lasers hard points and 2 missile hardpoints+ECM would be exactly what people cried about when they came out with ECM. They didn't want the Jenner-D getting it.

Edited by Klaus, 01 March 2013 - 01:18 AM.