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[Kaspirikay]

I'd buy a missle ECM cicada lol

[Dreamslave]

Butane9000, on 01 March 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Well for all those that want this it'll be here next week.

The real question is what will be the next hero mech?

The choices: Jenner, Raven, Spider, Hunchback, Trebuchet, Catapault, Jagermech*, Atlas, Stalker

The most likely choice is the Jenner or Hunchback.

The Trebuchet is still new, the Jagermech might surprise us (I didn't see the Ilya Muromets coming). The Atlas, Raven and Catapult are all still wildly popular so they are less likely.

Realistically that leaves the Spider (still kinda newish, but less likely) and Stalker as sub choices to the Jenner and Hunchback.

I dunno.

The Cataphract was still brand new when the ILYA came out, but I doubt the next hero will be a Trebuchet due to the fact that the Cicada is a medium and there is no way they would release two medium hero mechs back to back.

I'd say either either a heavy or a light.

Edited by Dreamslave, 01 March 2013 - 05:20 PM.

[Stonefalcon]

I fail to see how the addition of missile hardpoints makes it pay to win. You don't need to spend real money to buy a cicada 3c, slap on two AC20's and knock out any cicada down with a single blow.

You people who complain about pay to win is OP really need to take a good long hard look in the mirror. Every hero mech thus far with hasn't brought anything to the table that other mechs in the same weight class already had.

Death's Knell - 4 energy yay o wait that's a Jenner F chasing me down, crap.

Yen Lo Wang - Woot I can carry and AC20 on a medium. Hunchback already could, Cicada 3c can have two.

Twins - I love dragons I really do, the thought of an ac20 on one is cool but the Cataphract can do it too, with more speed and more armour.

Pretty Baby - Woot i can has 400 rating engine but my what crap hardpoints.

I can see a pattern here, none of them is pay to win.

I really hope PGI sees the light, brings back repair and rearm cause realistically the only way for them to not have pay to win is to return repair and rearm, making Clan tech very, very expensive so it's hard to field effectively early on.

With the current setup Clan tech IS going to be Pay-to-Win, and all you kids whined about repairs, good game kiddies, good game, you've turned a fantastic opportunity to revive a franchise into a pay-to-win session that will literally die in the ***.

Lagfest, on 01 March 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

X5 = 4 E + ECM + 400XL + JJ

calling it now

back in closed beta you could barely fit an XL 400 on a hunchback with 4 medium lasers. I can't see a 400 working on a cicada.

[Polojilarious]

Welp.

Quote

Meant for close combat, the Strider D carries a pair of Streak SRM-2 launchers as its primary weaponry. These are backed up by a pair of Medium Pulse Lasers and a single Small Laser. The D configuration also carries a comprehensive electronics warfare package with a Beagle Active Probe to allow it to find hidden units, a TAG laser designator to call in Arrow IV artillery and Semi-Guided LRM fire, and a C3 Slave unit to share targeting data with allied units.

If that X really is for experimental, the X-5 matches up surprisingly well with one of the Strider loadouts. And with the Strider being based on the Cicada, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that maybe the X5 is a prototype Strider, running the above configuration.

[Utilyan]

Look if you look in sarna there is X-pulse lasers. IS attempt to match the clan range.


Going with the pictures we got looks like the paint is eaten away, look how it has differ color legs, even looks like duct-tape.

I'm hoping its a merc unit like trailer park champ. with X-5 Beer cans all over the dash. I'm hoping its a underdog hero. And X-5 is like a joke name for it.

[Velba]

Does it have knockdown installed, or is that extra?

[pide]

Has anyone thought about leap? Isn't one of the cicadas meant to be able to launch? It could be a perk or a quirk etc plus it's got funny legs

[PANZERBUNNY]

An MC Mech with TWO ecm slots so you can run aorund jamming people and loling at missiles...that's what those headlights are.

[Huntsman]

pide, on 02 March 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

Has anyone thought about leap? Isn't one of the cicadas meant to be able to launch? It could be a perk or a quirk etc plus it's got funny legs

I believe there is a "Yo Dawg I heard you like ECM, so I got you an ECM for your ECM so you can jam while yer jammin'." meme in there somewhere...

[Zabnicki]

may have to dust off my cicadas again.

[Monsoon]

Nathan Foxbane, on 01 March 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Helm Memory Core. There is a reason why the AS7-K (in full production by 3050) has a Guass Rifle, CASE, ER Large Lasers, Medium Pulse Lasers, an XL engine and an AMS system.

Actually the production of the K wasn't until the 3050's (3052?) not out by 3050. Which should be true of any mech that offered XL Engines, Endo-steel, Double Heat Sinks or Ferro-Fiberous armour.

Nathan Foxbane, on 01 March 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

I see your Blood Legacy and raise you one Operation: Excalibur. My point was it was there. And this is an X model so it is likely to all kinds of nifty and uncommon features.

Sorry it's been 15(?) years since I read Op:Excal (though I'll be rereading it in the next month or two) not sure what your point it with that particular novel.

My original point is that we all know PGI isn't following canon to the letter, which is why we have so much of this great equipment already, so if they wanted to give us an experimental Omnimech it wouldn't be any more lore breaking then the Atlas-K being available to us in 3049.

[Strum Wealh]

Monsoon, on 02 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Actually the production of the K wasn't until the 3050's (3052?) not out by 3050. Which should be true of any mech that offered XL Engines, Endo-steel, Double Heat Sinks or Ferro-Fiberous armour.

The AS7-K variant of the Atlas went into production in 3049, according to the Master Unit List run by Catalyst Game Labs (the current owners of BattleTech).

XL Engine technology was rediscovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Lyran Commonwealth) in 3035 (according to page 214 of TechManual, the main construction rulebook for BattleTech).

Endo-Steel was also recovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Draconis Combine) in 3035 (TechManual, pg. 224).

Double Heat Sinks were recovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Federated Suns) in 3040 (TechManual, pg. 221).

Ferro-Fibrous Armor was also recovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Draconis Combine) in 3040 (TechManual, pg. 205).

Gauss Rifles were also recovered by the Inner Sphere (by the Free Worlds League, Lyran Commonwealth, and Draconis Combine simultaneously) in 3040 (TechManual, pg. 219).

Anti-Missile Systems were recovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Federated Commonwealth) in 3040 (TechManual, pg. 204).

Monsoon, on 02 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Sorry it's been 15(?) years since I read Op:Excal (though I'll be rereading it in the next month or two) not sure what your point it with that particular novel.

My original point is that we all know PGI isn't following canon to the letter, which is why we have so much of this great equipment already, so if they wanted to give us an experimental Omnimech it wouldn't be any more lore breaking then the Atlas-K being available to us in 3049.

The Helm Memory Core was discovered by the Gray Death Legion in 3028, described in the novel The Price of Glory.

As demonstrated above, several advanced technologies - and 'Mechs that make use of them - had been recovered/developed by the Inner Sphere several years before the Clan Invasion.

[LordBraxton]

Fred013, on 27 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

They cannot be missiles, because then this cicada would be the only one to have missiles. And that's P2W.

edit: is there an announcement about this somewhere? All i can see is the ad on the homepage.

THIS the ilya toes the line but putting streak tubes on a MC only cicada is P2W 110%

[xlrdallas]

LordBraxton, on 02 March 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

THIS the ilya toes the line but putting streak tubes on a MC only cicada is P2W 110%

go drive your raven

[CG Oglethorpe Kerensky]

4 Laser
2 Missile (dual tube)
ECM

DEAL WITH IT

[Joker Two]

Monsoon, on 02 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Actually the production of the K wasn't until the 3050's (3052?) not out by 3050. Which should be true of any mech that offered XL Engines, Endo-steel, Double Heat Sinks or Ferro-Fiberous armour.

Many rediscovered Star League era technologies revealed in the early 3050s were clarified (some people say "retconned") to be in prototype development throughout the 3030s and 3040s. The War of 3039, and to a lesser extent Brush Wars and various Mercenaries sourcebooks go into more detail of the implementation of these technologies.

The current weapon and equipment lists in MWO fit the standard weapons and equipment available in early 3050 as per the most recent versions of canon, except for:
- the lack of Triple Strength Myomer
- the lack of Arrow IV Artillery Missiles
- the lack of solid shot for the LB-X AC/10, the lack of various alternate ammunition types (i.e. Inferno Missiles)
- the lack of various experimental or limited production devices (Binary Lasers, Chemical Lasers, tube artillery)

Edited by Joker Two, 02 March 2013 - 08:21 PM.

[FupDup]

Joker Two, on 02 March 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

- the lack of various experimental or limited production devices (Binary Lasers, Chemical Lasers, tube artillery)

Aren't Chemical Lasers Clan tech (Hell's Horses) and available in 3059?

Edited by FupDup, 02 March 2013 - 08:30 PM.

[Earthtalker]

FupDup, on 02 March 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Aren't Chemical Lasers Clan tech (Hell's Horses) and available in 3059?

Correct. It is Clan Hell Horse and it is in 3059. There are no Inner Sphere versions. It was designed for vehicles with no fusion power plants (ICE, etc,) and is Identical to an IS laser of the same class. It is also one of the few (or only) energy weapon that can actually run out of ammunition.

[Monsoon]

Strum Wealh, on 02 March 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

The AS7-K variant of the Atlas went into production in 3049, according to the Master Unit List run by Catalyst Game Labs (the current owners of BattleTech).

XL Engine technology was rediscovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Lyran Commonwealth) in 3035 (according to page 214 of TechManual, the main construction rulebook for BattleTech).

Endo-Steel was also recovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Draconis Combine) in 3035 (TechManual, pg. 224).

Double Heat Sinks were recovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Federated Suns) in 3040 (TechManual, pg. 221).

Ferro-Fibrous Armor was also recovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Draconis Combine) in 3040 (TechManual, pg. 205).

Gauss Rifles were also recovered by the Inner Sphere (by the Free Worlds League, Lyran Commonwealth, and Draconis Combine simultaneously) in 3040 (TechManual, pg. 219).

Anti-Missile Systems were recovered by the Inner Sphere (specifically, by the Federated Commonwealth) in 3040 (TechManual, pg. 204).

The Helm Memory Core was discovered by the Gray Death Legion in 3028, described in the novel The Price of Glory.

As demonstrated above, several advanced technologies - and 'Mechs that make use of them - had been recovered/developed by the Inner Sphere several years before the Clan Invasion.

Yes, the TechManual retroactively brings in the technology sooner then it ever did in the novels. Price of Glory never had a date associated with it, the 3028 date came later. Even then, we do know that the Federated Suns had the core at NAIS apparently almost immediately (Warrior: Coupe), whereas it wan't until 3034 that Duke Ricol handed over the Core to the Combine (Heir to the Dragon). Yet, somehow the most technologically/scientifically advanced state in the IS isn't responsible for just about any of the weapon advances according to the TechManual.

TRO: 3050 stats it's 3052 in the introduction, and the Atlas-K in the revised editions overview refers to it as a NEW design, with the FedSuns frantically rushing the Atlas-S into Production as well. In the Updated edtion, the overview specifically links the Atlas-K to the technological renaissance of the Clan Invasion...no credit is given to the Helm Memory Core.

Joker Two, on 02 March 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Many rediscovered Star League era technologies revealed in the early 3050s were clarified (some people say "retconned") to be in prototype development throughout the 3030s and 3040s. The War of 3039, and to a lesser extent Brush Wars and various Mercenaries sourcebooks go into more detail of the implementation of these technologies.

The current weapon and equipment lists in MWO fit the standard weapons and equipment available in early 3050 as per the most recent versions of canon, except for:
- the lack of Triple Strength Myomer
- the lack of Arrow IV Artillery Missiles
- the lack of solid shot for the LB-X AC/10, the lack of various alternate ammunition types (i.e. Inferno Missiles)
- the lack of various experimental or limited production devices (Binary Lasers, Chemical Lasers, tube artillery)

It is "retconned". Source material, such as the TechManual and Brush Wars are both printed in 2006. Where as the TRO: 3050 is first printed in 1990 and the Blood of Kerensky novels of the same time frame treat ALL of this tech as new and unknown. The Kell Hounds were one of the primier Units around and yet the first Phelan ever heard about all this tech is as a Clanner. If all this tech were apparently available, Jaime Wolf woundn't have needed to provide the tech to have manufacturing facilites start producing it for the war.

We all know about the Helm Memory Core, it is given credit for allot in terms of advancements in science, medicine and agriculture. But it is only in books NOT produced by FASA that it is also credited with weapons advances. That's fine if they want to RetCon some technology that's their choice, but it doesn't help to make novels like the Blood of Kerensky make sense after the fact.

I'm just saying admit it's been RetConned, and stop trying to source books written 15 years after the fact to show how pulse lasers have been available since 3037.

Edited by Monsoon, 03 March 2013 - 11:36 AM.

[Ens]

Fred013, on 27 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

.....because then this cicada would be the only one to have missiles. And that's P2W.

logic? O_o