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[BoydofZINJ]

Terror Teddy, on 28 February 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Yes, weapons are easily exchangeable but all INTERNALS are locked.
If it comes equipped with Clan XL engine 240 and Endo Steel you cannot remove any of it on that variant without essentially turning it into a standard mech.

I had to review some of the documents...

"Disadvantages
Despite their flexibility and maintenance benefits, OmniMechs have distinct limitations in regard to cost and logistics.

OmniMechs are not fully modular. An OmniMech's structural components: its engine, internal structure, armor and any equipment installed on the base chassis of OmniMech are "hard-wired" and cannot be modified outside of a total redesign of the 'Mech. While customization of these components is theoretically possible in the field, it is avoided as it hard-wires all the 'Mechs components and effectively transforms it from a OmniMech into a standard BattleMech."

The problem with MWO is it is TOO Modular as it is...

hre is the official information from Endo-Steel:

While the weight savings for Endo Steel are greater than those saved by Ferro-Fibrous armor, its use is hampered by the extremely low number of orbital factories in existence, significantly driving up costs due to low availability. Further, as it makes up the skeleton of a 'Mech, adding it to existing 'Mechs generally requires lengthy factory level refits, and field repair more difficult than standard skeletons.

You can also read all the pages on how hard it was to upgrade or modify a standard battlemech; however, in MWO it just takes a few games worth of c-bills and you can easily change the 'mech configuration.

[Terror Teddy]

Dirkdaring, on 28 February 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Why use a streak SRM6 when you have a streak-lrm20?

The latter can be jammed.

[Heffay]

Gigastrike, on 28 February 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Screw the UAC/20. How much for the Dragon that can mount one?

These are prototype units, and currently not for sale for a reasonable amount of c-bills. If you wish to spend an unreasonable amount of c-bills, please contact our sales department immediately, Lord Steiner. Thank you for your patronage!

Edited by Heffay, 28 February 2013 - 03:21 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Terror Teddy, on 28 February 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Yes, weapons are easily exchangeable but all INTERNALS are locked.
If it comes equipped with Clan XL engine 240 and Endo Steel you cannot remove any of it on that variant without essentially turning it into a standard mech.

I don't think people are going to want to pull the clan endo, clan FF and clan 375XL out of their madcats anyway XD.

[Phoenix Gray]

Want to really raise a stink? Clan Warriors are supposed to all be highly skilled, bred and trained from birth as Mechwarriors. Try making Clan tech available to only the top-ranked MWO players, regardless of price.

FupDup, on 28 February 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Why use a Streak LRM20 when you have a HAG-40?

Why use a HAG-40 when you have a brace of heavy lasers or plasma rifles?

[FupDup]

Phoenix Gray, on 28 February 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Why use a HAG-40 when you have a brace of heavy lasers or plasma rifles?

Why use a brace of heavy lasers or plasma rifles when you can have a Rattler Mobile Fortress?

Edited by FupDup, 28 February 2013 - 03:24 PM.

[BoydofZINJ]

Phoenix Gray, on 28 February 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Want to really raise a stink? Clan Warriors are supposed to all be highly skilled, bred and trained from birth as Mechwarriors. Try making Clan tech available to only the top-ranked MWO players, regardless of price.

So if you started playing yesterday and the the day before you played it was decided X and Y people are better than you... and get better tech. How will the new player compete against them? Likewise, clans had a set of rules which also worked against themselves. Are those X and Y better players going to limit who they fire upon?

Ghogiel, on 28 February 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

I don't think people are going to want to pull the clan endo, clan FF and clan 375XL out of their madcats anyway XD.

Actually some clan mechs do not have them - so adding them in would be the real question and GOOD point. lol They use less criticals than Inner Sphere variants...

[Terror Teddy]

Boydsan, on 28 February 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

You can also read all the pages on how hard it was to upgrade or modify a standard battlemech; however, in MWO it just takes a few games worth of c-bills and you can easily change the 'mech configuration.

True, but the game will need a balancing factor somewhere and having Omnimechs with multiple variants will also keep the Clan pilots in the same XP loop of training X3 chassis.

Besides, even if you cannot exchange it on a clan mech do you really want or NEED to compared to the IS? For 14 internal slots you get +20% armor and a lighter chassis compared to the 28 internals for IS and +12% armor and a lighter chassis. Oh, and your XL engine has a lesser chance of getting critted.

Not to mention double heatsinks is 33% smaller in bulk and your weapons take less weight.

I would also advocate that IS mechs cannot USE clan internals since they are all integral to the chassis as a whole during construction - which is in a sense a moot point with the ease of customization in the mechlab but it would certanly set the two forces apart.

Ghogiel, on 28 February 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

I don't think people are going to want to pull the clan endo, clan FF and clan 375XL out of their madcats anyway XD.

Nope.

[Orgasmo]

Makes my head hurt just thinking about going up against a Clan mech with UAC 20, taking up less weight and slots than an Inner Sphere AC 20.

[BoydofZINJ]

Terror Teddy, on 28 February 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

I would also advocate that IS mechs cannot USE clan internals since they are all integral to the chassis as a whole during construction - which is in a sense a moot point with the ease of customization in the mechlab but it would certanly set the two forces apart.

Agreed. If I had to balance stuff up - clan tech and clan stuff only on clan mechs. Likewise, Inner Sphere and Inner Sphere junk (I mean stuff) only on Inner Sphere mechs.


However, who is going to enforce zellbringen when players have clan tech? One of the reasons why clans had it better early on (before 3055)- not all Inner Sphere mechs were upgraded and clans were facing mechs that were in service for hundreds of years, in some cases. In MWO, who does not upgrade or enhance his or her 'mech? Most our 'mechs would be considered better than house 'mechs. We have some of the best upgrades in the Inner Sphere and we think it is common. 2 to 1 odds would not be fair to the clans either... since we are probably better than any inner sphere canon force already.

[Ghogiel]

Boydsan, on 28 February 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

Actually some clan mechs do not have them - so adding them in would be the real question and GOOD point. lol They use less criticals than Inner Sphere variants...

Just don't use those mechs. Just take an omni with endo FF and a fat XL.

[Orgasmo]

Phoenix Gray, on 28 February 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Want to really raise a stink? Clan Warriors are supposed to all be highly skilled, bred and trained from birth as Mechwarriors. Try making Clan tech available to only the top-ranked MWO players, regardless of price.

Clan warriors get their ***** served on a plate by Victor Davion-Steiner, under their own rules too. Pfff....

[Banzi Jo]

Heffay, on 28 February 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Special thanks to House Steiner for their rather significant order! We suspect they are attempting to buy out the inventory to keep them out of your hands, but we consider all c-bills equal in the eyes of the merc corp.

Where would you rather see these UAC20s? Your mech, or the Steiner Atlas scout you're facing?! Buy today!

ty steiner for buying those now please use them at every chace you get.
I cant wait to see the glorious flames of battle.
ill see you coming and just stand there and get my marshmellows and wait for you to shoot.

[Mr Mantis]

I have no idea how they are going to balance the clan stuff to make it in line whit what we have, seriously a uac20.

[TungstenWall]

Item-7
UAC-20: Test 1

Quote

Gun was locked in place. Ammo feed stable.

Testing Began with firing of 4 Blanks. Pin activated. Successful.

Testing with one (1) live round. Pin Activated. Critical Failure. Fire Hazard. Breach.

-The firing of the live round resulted in Critical Failure. Fire and Smoke suggest the weapon fired, but only a fragment of the projectile exited the barrel, there was an additional ██ fragments found. Two (2) were jammed inside the cannon, while one (1) larger fragment was launched out of the case ejector. The last of the fragments were found in the Right [DATA EXPUNGED] and under [DATA EXPUNGED]. The last █ were assumed to have evaporated or [DATA EXPUNGED].

-Immediately after firing, shrapnel Injured one (1) personnel and killed two (2) others. Automated Extinguishers within the weapon failed, Standby-Fire-team scrambled. Damage from shrapnel in [DATA EXPUNGED] resulted in flames spreading through the inside of the mech. Flames gave off [DATA EXPUNGED] fumes, all █ killed. Pilot was killed. Autopsy of the Pilot show that he was not killed by Fumes, but a malfunction from Item-██ [DATA EXPUNGED]. A total of ██ Foundation personnel were killed. Possible sabotage under investigation.

-A nearby school was within hearing distance of the abnormally loud explosion. An estimated ███ students and teachers heard the explosion. █ fragments had crashed into and around the school. No civilians harmed. Fragments recovered and ██ Class B amnestics administered and false memories planted. Undercover personnel reported a cover story that the school was unstable and was ready to collapse, this was for the purpose of preventing future civilian witness. School was torn down and evidence destroyed.

Testing of two (2) or more Items at once is deemed unwise. Item-██ may no longer be tested with forces exceeding ████.

Note1: [DATA EXPUNGED]

Note2: "This is an impossible technology! No one could possibly get such an absurd thing to work!" -Dr. ██████

[Alex Warden]

they´ll come soon enough... as well as ssrm6´s and other "funny" stuff... we´ll see

[Kiiyor]

BRING IT!

[Skylarr]

FupDup, on 28 February 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Why use a Streak LRM20 when you have a HAG-40?

Dirkdaring, on 28 February 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Why use a streak SRM6 when you have a streak-lrm20?

Streak SRM-6
Year Availability: Clan = 2826, IS = 3058

Streak LRM 20
R&D Start Date: 3055 (Clan Coyote)
Prototype Design and Production: 3057 (Clan Coyote)
Clan Coyote is not involved in the invasion. So I am not sure how anyone in the IS would even have this.

Hyper-Assault Gauss Rifle 40 is a variation on the Gauss Rifle developed by Clan Hell's Horses in 3068
Year Availability 3068

[TVMA Doc]

Heffay, on 28 February 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

We have production ones ready for sale, for only 18,000,000 each. 10% less explody than this one.

Slightly charred. We assure you it's strictly cosmetic.

I'll take one. Most of my mechs are greatly charred...