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[Teralitha]

Ghogiel, on 28 February 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

No not 2x SRM6s, just 1 instead of the 2x SSRM2s.

Hmm... 10 damage that automatically hits, vs 15 damage that only hits if you have good aim hmmmm which would you rather have in a light mech duel?

[Teralitha]

Vlad Ward, on 28 February 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

There are plenty of good builds. But not every build, or even every chassis, can be good. Welcome to video games.

Oh I beg to differ sir.. with proper rule sets such as were in place in NBT planetary league(MW4) every chassis can be viable. and used.

I think you mean, welcome to *BAD* video games..... MWO, is bad...

Edited by Teralitha, 28 February 2013 - 06:11 PM.

[Brillopad]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Its about ECM, streaks, and cheese, and no knockdowns. (no I didnt say steak and cheese...)


The purity of the game is sullied by these things. Skill? doesnt matter... Tactics? very little...

It's like this in every multiplayer game ever made. People complain about people who make ******** cheese builds. They're effective, until you learn to bypass them. The skill in any multiplayer game is to figure out how to negate cheese, and deploy your own tactics.
Have you ever played Call of Duty? N00B tubes and random grenades kill everyone, but the people who rely on it have bad scores and K/D ratios.
Have you ever played Starcraft? That game is FULL of cheese, you just have to find a way to counteract it.

That being said, my 3x LB10X Ilya is probably cheese, but it's the most fun I've had with a mech! BOOOOOOOOM! Now your armor is all gone......and so is your face.

[Vlad Ward]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Oh I beg to differ sir.. with proper rule sets such as were in place in NBT planetary league(MW4) every chassis can be viable. and used.

I think you mean, welcome to *BAD* video games..... MWO, is bad...

So go make a bloody MWO league for yourself and like-minded players and go away.

MW4 is a terrible example of "balance" in video games.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 28 February 2013 - 06:13 PM.

[KharnZor]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

a dragon with a good build should be competitive against other heavies(it isnt..)

Wow. just wow.

[Teralitha]

Brillopad, on 28 February 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

That being said, my 3x LB10X Ilya is probably cheese, but it's the most fun I've had with a mech! BOOOOOOOOM! Now your armor is all gone......and so is your face.

LOL.....................................

[Ghogiel]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

Hmm... 10 damage that automatically hits, vs 15 damage that only hits if you have good aim hmmmm which would you rather have in a light mech duel?

lolwut

SSRMs are better than SRMs. But SRMs are better than SSRMs.

pick one.

Edited by Ghogiel, 28 February 2013 - 06:16 PM.

[keith]

this is all about skill. how u move on a map, how well u shot, what and where u put and where u put it on a mech. pgi and doing rolling balances on many of these factors. these can lead to FOTM builds. right now jump sniping is popular, all it takes is 1 tweak to something. maybe like jumpjets recharge X percent slower, that in turn will slow down the poping making them shot less. another build will pop up ppl will complain. pgi has done their job

[danust]

Maybe I am missing something but aren't these large maps going to negate a lot of this? Visual before I even know if that Atlas is a DDC etc.

I get Alpine <10% of the time, 3L approaching that I see @ 1300m weaving and bobbing and end up killing. River City night he kills me 90% of the time if I have damage already. I always slap on a LRM 10 now and find the balanced generalized mech fits best for me.

Splat on Alpine even worth it? I don't know, haven't played it enough.

[OneManWar]

In every single online game ever there has always been, and always be people that ONLY play to win by using the most "optimal cheese" builds. That there is a fact.

ME on the other hand, I've played Battletech TT, every single Battletech/MW game from the old *** Crescent Hawk games on PC (who remembers those?) and I've always liked mixed builds for any situation, not the BEST build. I feel more accomplishment when I win or get a kill.

My 3 Atlas's:
D-DC - AC/20 (Always loved the AC20), 3 SRM 4's and 2 ER large lasers
D - 2 ER PPC's, 2 PPC's, SRM4 and an SRM6
RS - 2 LRM15's and 2 large pulse lasers, 1 TAG

Cat 1X - 2 PPC's and 3 medium pulse lasers

Treb 7M - 2 LRM 15's with Artemis, TAG, and 2 med pulse lasers.

I rarely ever go full out alpha strike, usually because my builds are generally mixed range, and I like to engage at all ranges. To me that's mechwarrior. Not just loading up on 1 weapon type or even 1 engagement range type. It's fine if you do, they have mechs like that in lore, but for me, I like more and I like to work for wins.

[KharnZor]

OneManWar, on 28 February 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

In every single online game ever there has always been, and always be people that ONLY play to win by using the most "optimal cheese" builds. That there is a fact.

This statement is the absolute truth. It can not be denied

[Wintersdark]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

a dragon with a good build should be competitive against other heavies(it isnt..)

First: ********.

Second, you've got 2 problems with this:

First, tonnage balancing is on it's way, and mechs are balanced with that in mind. A 60 ton dragon should not necessarily be directly competitive to a 70 ton Cataphract in terms of a straight up duel.

Second, a Dragon is absolutely worthwhile now that maps are getting larger. Speed is more valuable all the time, as the faster you can move, the more flexible your tactics become and the more you control the battle. And while speed on Lights and Mediums is nice, the Dragon can do it with more firepower and armor.

[danust]

OneManWar, on 28 February 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

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ME on the other hand, I've played Battletech TT, every single Battletech/MW game from the old *** Crescent Hawk games on PC (who remembers those?) and I've always liked mixed builds for any situation, not the BEST build. I feel more accomplishment when I win or get a kill.

.........

I remember having MW1 running on a 8088. Put it away for a while, upgraded to a x486 DX4 100. Loaded and ran it. The speed was off and the audio mech walking sounds were squeak squeak squeak and you ran off the map in 20 sec. + - speed control was vintage, Shadow hawk!

[WalkingDeathBot]

I eat cheese for breakfast, bring on the cheese.

Edited by WalkingDeathBot, 28 February 2013 - 07:24 PM.

[WalkingDeathBot]

Also to be fair, you really need the cheese to go with all the Whine you bring to the table.

[Ghogiel]

Vlad Ward, on 28 February 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Not Cheese: Using Mechs that are good.

Are you implying that cheese is in fact not the goodest of the goods?

[Sacrosanct]

OneEyed Jack, on 28 February 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

So, I'm confused. Is there, or is there not steak and cheese to be had?

[ciller]

I have done quite a few 8-mans and win a surprising few, we sometimes bring the cheese, we sometimes bring a very even loadout, we sometimes bring quirk or test builds. All of it requires skill if we want to win. Especially against Steel Jaguars, which is the only team we don't beat! They are skilled and quite good tacticians among a field of fairly competitive 8-mans (though somewhat small in size it seems at times).

If you are telling me the game takes no skill you are dead wrong. It takes tremendous skill to win consistently and teams like the Steel Jaguars and other elite 8-mans prove such on a daily basis. This is why you don't win much, not cheese builds.

As a side note sometimes weaker teams may run nothing but cheese to give them an extra edge. Skilled teams deal with this.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Vlad Ward, on 28 February 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

So go make a bloody MWO league for yourself and like-minded players and go away.

MW4 is a terrible example of "balance" in video games.

so is MWO thus far

[WVAnonymous]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 February 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Hell even the ERML cheese ppl complain about was thought of in TT

http://www.sarna.net...28Black_Hawk%29

Ooooh, 12 Energy hard points. I'll take one... with CHEESE.