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[MustrumRidcully]

Pat Kell, on 01 March 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

There is no system that i am aware that connot be twisted into a system that has high powered units and then all the rest. My point is that you can sit and whine about this stuff all day long but there is nothing they can really do about it. Sure, nerf or remove ecm but then what, lrm's are op or streaks return to being op. Bright young enterprising people will always try to find the one setup that will give them an edge over other people.

The question is - how big is that edge?

Or another example - imagine you had the damage output of a SRM6 in 4 seconds. But you would need to shoot 8 times in that time, not twice. Suddenly that edge becomes blunted, because it takes more effort and brings more risk. Shooting eery 0.5 seconds means you cannot twist out of the way. It also means that you won't deliver an instant spike that the enemy either survives or doesn't - he has time to react.

[Joseph Mallan]

Craftyman, on 28 February 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

define skill

Skill:
1obsolete : cause, reason

2 a : the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance
b : dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks

3 : a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability <language skills>

Per Meriam-Webster Dictionary On line.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 01 March 2013 - 04:56 AM.

[ciller]

0X2A, on 28 February 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

I'll stand 500m away in my 2 LRM 20 stalker and see how many your AMS can shoot down. Also on most maps "getting within 180m" puts you into the LRM boats line of fire more than most people would like think.

I hope you run more then just 2xLRM 20's on that stalker. At least.. 2xlrm15 + 2xlrm20 + tag or something... 70 tubes of doooooom - that's some tasty cheese.

Edited by ciller, 01 March 2013 - 05:03 AM.

[Havyek]

1/10

Wasted my time, not even any good trolling material.

[Teralitha]

Pat Kell, on 01 March 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

There is no system that i am aware that connot be twisted into a system that has high powered units and then all the rest. My point is that you can sit and whine about this stuff all day long but there is nothing they can really do about it. Sure, nerf or remove ecm but then what, lrm's are op or streaks return to being op. Bright young enterprising people will always try to find the one setup that will give them an edge over other people.

Simple fact, there is nothing currently on the battlefield that dominates everything else. Everything has a counter and yes skill and or experience helps you to see the counters before its too late. I'm not saying that things are perfectly balanced as that would obviously contradict my previous statement but it is getting better.

And if your having problems dealing with ecm when you know that almost every match will consist of 1 enemy mech carrying it then you are not adapting. the problem here isn't ecm, the problem is people who refuse to accept that ecm exists dispite all evidence to the contrary. Its here, and probably here to stay so if you want to have any fun at all while playing, you had better learn how to adapt to the situation.

And no that doesn't mean just bring more ecm although that is 1 solution, tag and lrm's are another, ppc's paired with other ballistic weapons, lasers, all of these things are not blocked by ecm.funny thing is, I was using all of these things before ecm...cept for tag....hmmm

Adapting to ECM isnt the issue. Its how it affects the overall mechwarrior experience in a negative way. I think all the negative posts about ECM *just*might be a clue...

[Flying Blind]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Its about ECM, streaks, and cheese, and no knockdowns. (no I didnt say steak and cheese...)


The purity of the game is sullied by these things. Skill? doesnt matter... Tactics? very little...

yeah, umm no. not really.

as the pug/4man experience declines the 8 man experience is better than ever.

either way skill is still important and still makes more difference than anything I've seen. sure sometimes MM gives the other team an extra 200 tons and that can be a real hardship but it doesn't remove skill from the game.

I'm sorry you are frustrated, but skill is still in.

[JimSuperBleeder]

TOPGUN Stinger, on 28 February 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

What is skill you ask...

Dat high five butt pat.

[Willie Sauerland]

I didn't read anything in this thread given the OP and the title. Did I miss anything important or did somebody hand the OP a pacifier?

[SPencil]

Willie Sauerland, on 01 March 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

I didn't read anything in this thread given the OP and the title. Did I miss anything important or did somebody hand the OP a pacifier?

This is all you need to know:

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

lol i like the new forum area "where we can put dissenting opinions"

[Ryvucz]

I came here for the wine, steak and cheese.

[Teralitha]

ciller, on 28 February 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

It is possible to win without cheese or ECM in 8-mans and still keep your win rate above 75%. Skill is a major factor in this as well as tactics, strategy, and teamwork. I can't make you believe me but that does not stop it from being true.

Your 8man premade team plays without ECM or cheese builds and you win 75% of your matches. Your right, I cant believe that. And you saying its true doesnt mean it is.

Flying Blind, on 01 March 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

I'm sorry you are frustrated, but skill is still in.

I never said skill wasnt in the game. I am here, so skill is in the game, but the game isnt about my skill, or your skill, that is the point,.

Why was this topic moved from general discussion?

Edited by Teralitha, 02 March 2013 - 12:52 PM.

[Willie Sauerland]

Teralitha, on 02 March 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

Words...

[Voridan Atreides]

He looks friendly to me.

[Willie Sauerland]

He is - when he wants to be.

[Ryvucz]

I hate streaks.

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