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[Sephlock]

Just say OMG THERE WAS A TIME/SPACE ANOMALY AND WE FOUND SOME BUSHWHACKERS AND UZIELS TO REVERSE ENGINEER!

[Merky Merc]

Sephlock, on 01 March 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

Just say OMG THERE WAS A TIME/SPACE ANOMALY AND WE FOUND SOME BUSHWHACKERS AND UZIELS TO REVERSE ENGINEER!

Or do a time warp, game won't last through 6 years of the IS getting ***** by clans anyway.

[Zyllos]

Edward Steiner, on 01 March 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

The latter group will have two D-DDCs, 4 3Ls and two Streak boat commandos, the mediums will have little chance unless they have a large number of ECM Cicadas.

We do need a 55 ton mech though, but I don't think that there are any non-clan 55 ton mediums that are not unseen mechs available in 3050.

You say that, but how many situations have you seen a bunch of Medium mechs go against a bunch of Light mechs that are out numbered?

It's all speculation but I really think it would "feel" much more balanced in this scenario. Even with Ravens and Commandos with ECM vs non-ECM Mediums, that much direct-fire at any Light will make it go down quickly. Especially if there is an ECM Cicada or TAG wielder to focus on a target.

[Steel Claws]

Shadowhawk wouldn't be bad.

[Elizander]

Corpsecandle, on 01 March 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm really hoping that chassis quirks are going to help out mediums as well. If they can give the sense of a more agile mech, I think more people will be inclined to pick them up.

Yes, a bit more tweaking to make aiming and shooting with them as well as ducking through cover as smooth as possible and people will definitely like the playstyle.

[Johnny Reb]

Zyllos, on 01 March 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Because they wield a weapon loadout compariable to light Heavys when they can take a smaller engine to move slowly.

Mediums will become much better once weight limits and more weapon balances are introduced.

With a 400t limit, do you take 8 50t Medium mechs or 2 Atlas, 4 Ravens, and 2 Commandos?

While I think most "conventional" thinking groups would go with the later option, some groups will begin to take the former option in an attempt to out manuver the high fire power of the 2 Atlas' and take out the Lights.

Zyllos, on 01 March 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Because they wield a weapon loadout compariable to light Heavys when they can take a smaller engine to move slowly.

Mediums will become much better once weight limits and more weapon balances are introduced.

With a 400t limit, do you take 8 50t Medium mechs or 2 Atlas, 4 Ravens, and 2 Commandos?

While I think most "conventional" thinking groups would go with the later option, some groups will begin to take the former option in an attempt to out manuver the high fire power of the 2 Atlas' and take out the Lights.

I would love my drop to be 8 mix of cent-D and treb-C at 125+ against that!

edit: if my team hits with its srms we roll!

Edited by Johnny Reb, 02 March 2013 - 12:43 AM.

[Mr TeaTime]

Kraven Kor, on 01 March 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

And I still just can't understand why they don't just scrap the artwork that is in IP Hell, use the name and description and make new art of the mech itself.

It's not just a Warhammer that looks like a Destroid that'll get them sued. Harmony Gold don't want a Mech called a 'Warhammer' fullstop. As an example.

[Johnny Reb]

ConairSinclor, on 02 March 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

Man they totally screwed up the mediums, i mean how many good ones are there?

only the HBK.

The cicade is a glorified light.

Most of the hunchies are turds.

The trebuchet has the worse slots

And the cent is made of paper.

Please. give better medimums

Disagree:

The Cent-D and Treb-3C are both proper mediums that can stay with lights. I.E. great light hunters (not the old fast swayback but viable) They are also great hit and run mechs. That said, there are better mechs to run instead (heavies) and unless tonnage, tourney limits or BV (really hope not) are introduced then they are gimped. However, I will still run them in pugs.

[The Basilisk]

As it was said before. The REAL medium Mechs of this timeline are all UNSEEN.
Phoenix Hawk, Shadowhawk, Wolverine, Griffin.
But those won't ever show up in the game. So we are limited to second line fire support mechs and specialized chassis.
Hunchback --> Dedicated to City fights
Trebuchet --> LRM firesupport Mech
Centurion --> Was constructed as companion for the Trebuchet / constructed as Bodyguard
Cicada --> LMFAO.....the only reason you can drive a Cicada is the Mechlab
Blackjak --> AK LR firesupport Mech

Quite annoying

[Johnny Reb]

The Basilisk, on 02 March 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

As it was said before. The REAL medium Mechs of this timeline are all UNSEEN.
Phoenix Hawk, Shadowhawk, Wolverine, Griffin.
But those won't ever show up in the game. So we are limited to second line fire support mechs and specialized chassis.
Hunchback --> Dedicated to City fights
Trebuchet --> LRM firesupport Mech
Centurion --> Was constructed as companion for the Trebuchet / constructed as Bodyguard
Cicada --> LMFAO.....the only reason you can drive a Cicada is the Mechlab
Blackjak --> AK LR firesupport Mech

Quite annoying

The Basilisk, on 02 March 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

As it was said before. The REAL medium Mechs of this timeline are all UNSEEN.
Phoenix Hawk, Shadowhawk, Wolverine, Griffin.
But those won't ever show up in the game. So we are limited to second line fire support mechs and specialized chassis.
Hunchback --> Dedicated to City fights
Trebuchet --> LRM firesupport Mech
Centurion --> Was constructed as companion for the Trebuchet / constructed as Bodyguard
Cicada --> LMFAO.....the only reason you can drive a Cicada is the Mechlab
Blackjak --> AK LR firesupport Mech

Quite annoying

This is not "TT"!
I have made my Cent-D and Treb-C fast skirmishers/scout hunters. Mechs in real time have no preset role, only the role you make for it, that you can.

edit: sry about the dbl posts on both my mouse is going and it doesnt show up till its done.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 02 March 2013 - 12:34 AM.

[Sephlock]

All they really need to do is give mediums axes and hatchets.

[Protection]

In RHoD (where we are required to take mediums), the CN9-A, CN9-D, HBK-4SP, CDA-3M, and even the HBK-4SP all do reasonably well for the challenging medium position.

Any kind of tonnage limitation or battle value balancing or Community Warfare resource limits will do wonders to make mediums appealing, but given the option of any mech, there isn't much use.

Is we had, say, a Dervish with 4 SRM6 and JJs, it would utterly control the medium position. 55 tons is one of the really optimal tonnages to build at, and the Dervish is a good mech to use.

[p00k]

mediums are easy. srm6's in missile and mlas in energy hardpoints, with as big an engine as you can cram in

works for the cent D
works for the cent A
works for the hbk 4SP
works for most of the trebs

or if you run in teams and are confident in your ecm cover, you can take streaks instead and try to help your lights get early light mech superiority. can sometimes use the extra tonnage for mplas too if you're hunting lights

[Grey Ghost]

Protection, on 02 March 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Is we had, say, a Dervish with 4 SRM6 and JJs, it would utterly control the medium position. 55 tons is one of the really optimal tonnages to build at, and the Dervish is a good mech to use.

Dervish sure is dreamy isn't it? IIRC it doesn't have a 3rd variant suitable for this time period, oh well.

[Eric darkstar Marr]

I figured out what the problem is, its not the mechs its the min/maxers, I rock my Cicadas Trebs and Cents you need to find a role you want to play and do it.

I have a slow 80kph Cicada with a AC/20 on it its my assassin I let guys go in and bruise them up and I blow them up. from behind. Ohh that cat and atlas are retreating let me go solve that.

I have a treb that is 3 mls 3 SSRMs I find a raven and follow it around because those 5 SSRM combined is evil.

No yes the stock variants are harder to play but then can work if you understand what the mech was meant for.

[Tincan Nightmare]

Mr TeaTime, on 02 March 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

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It's not just a Warhammer that looks like a Destroid that'll get them sued. Harmony Gold don't want a Mech called a 'Warhammer' fullstop. As an example.

Well they only had the rights to Macross, so while they could stop someone from calling a mech a Destroid or a Tomahawk (the Macross name for the Warhammer) I don't think they could stop someone from using a name unrelated to that property, like the Warhammer in question. If they also created a new mech design Harmony Gold wouldn't have anything to sue about. The whole problem with the Unseen was the artwork that HG had rights too, not the names that FASA gave to them.

[Fiachdubh]

Give them time, they are getting there. Once all the major components such as CW are implemented and the inevitable bugs are fixed they will be able to concentrate more on maps, mechs etc.

More mechs would be nice, only have the Hunchback and Raven so far and no other mechs available or on the horizon appeal to me enough to buy more bays yet. Jagermech? pff..

[Sephlock]

Edited by Sephlock, 02 March 2013 - 05:21 PM.

[Kassatsu]

Needs more Shadow Cat, Nova and Bushwacker. Except Bushwacker won't exist for another three years. And Nova is a clan mech.

Edited by Kassatsu, 02 March 2013 - 05:32 PM.

[TheRulesLawyer]

Alphawolf, on 01 March 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

I will do you all one better, bring back repair and rearm at only 50% and you will see mediums return to the field. But so many of you cried that you could not make money, could not take out your uber cheese build each and every time, or could not do simple math to understand why you had no c-bills so PGI had to remove it. Cost was the best reason for mediums to be in.

That's half of it. Mediums are cheap. The other half of it is that drop weight matters. If they ever make a draft mode based on BV or drop limits you'll probably see a whole lot more mediums show up. The third issue it really logistics. You couldn't rely on having specialist heavies or assaults everywhere so you made do with the mediums that are jacks of all trades. Maybe we'll see some of that in community warfare?