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[Rina Fujimoto]

Mr TeaTime, on 02 March 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

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I would prefer a Sarna or Google Books link rather than some random images hosted on reddit. That does go against the FASA authorised fiction.

....You're joking right?

That's from one of the official, BT rule books.

Christ man:
http://www.battlecor...roducts_id=1876

Read up! Arm yourself with knowledge.

Edited by haruko, 02 March 2013 - 12:40 AM.

[Tor6]

For reference on how much you can actually cram into something 'small', this plane has a bathroom and galley on board. (I have no idea how they fit it in) http://en.wikipedia....ki/Sukhoi_Su-34

[valkyrie]

Mr TeaTime, on 02 March 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

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I would prefer a Sarna or Google Books link rather than some random images hosted on reddit. That does go against the FASA authorised fiction.

TechManual, pp. 39-42. Just looked it up in my copy.

You should also know better than to refer to any sort of Wikipedia type site (including Sarna, which omits a TON of info) without bothering to find out where they're getting their facts.

Tor6, on 02 March 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

For reference on how much you can actually cram into something 'small', this plane has a bathroom and galley on board. (I have no idea how they fit it in) http://en.wikipedia....ki/Sukhoi_Su-34

The Fullback is a pretty large fighter-bomber in comparison to most of its contemporaries. Also worth mentioning that it is a Soviet-era piece of military equipment, so their definition of "bathroom" and "galley" probably refers to something that makes the toilet and little bar where flight attendants make coffee on a commercial jetliner look spacious in comparison.

Edited by valkyrie, 02 March 2013 - 12:59 AM.

[Mr TeaTime]

valkyrie, on 02 March 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

You should also know better than to refer to any sort of Wikipedia type site (including Sarna, which omits a TON of info) without bothering to find out where they're getting their facts.

Hence I also said Google Books. Random images from reddit's imagehost is as valid as Wikipedia in such things.

haruko, on 02 March 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

....You're joking right?

No.

[valkyrie]

Mr TeaTime, on 02 March 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Hence I also said Google Books. Random images from reddit's imagehost is as valid as Wikipedia in such things.

Google Books doesn't work that way. Not every book ever made is up there, nor are the ones there already uploaded in full. Additionally, this is one of those things that proves my point about Sarna not being the be-all, end-all reference for BT lore - those are the books. Sarna doesn't even have an article for the basic cockpit, just variants (dual, small, etc.) because it assumes you have the rulebooks/TROs/whatever when you're looking for specific details like this.

[Grand Ayatollah Kerensky]

Why would you stuff a bed and a microwave in your robot instead of more ammo or heatsinks or computers or...

[JohnathanSwift]

Narcisoldier, on 02 March 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Why would you stuff a bed and a microwave in your robot instead of more ammo or heatsinks or computers or...

Because a microwave and cot do not weigh 1 ton or 1 crit,

They also do not generate enough drain or heat, nor are they actually inside the component housing.

[Rina Fujimoto]

Narcisoldier, on 02 March 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Why would you stuff a bed and a microwave in your robot instead of more ammo or heatsinks or computers or...

Well, it's not like they weight a lot, and like some people have said, not all mechs will be so kitted out, some grunt in a house army obviously wont be as comfy as a well off merc.

Mr TeaTime, on 02 March 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Hence I also said Google Books. Random images from reddit's imagehost is as valid as Wikipedia in such things.



No.

Why do you keep saying it's from Reddit.

Its a screen cap straight out of the rule book that I uploaded on to imgur.

[Elizander]

Folding beds in mechs are OP. PGI should nerf them.

[valkyrie]

Narcisoldier, on 02 March 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Why would you stuff a bed and a microwave in your robot instead of more ammo or heatsinks or computers or...

Same reason it's a good idea to bring food and water on an infantry mission, or dig holes to sleep in when in the field.

The human body needs certain things to keep operating, and logistics can be a real ***** in an actual battlefield where you can't just RTB at the end of the day. In war there's no guarantees that your 15 minute patrol won't turn into a day-long holding action.

Plus, in a universe where lives are cheap and 'Mechs are not, it's generally a really, really bad idea to have the one guy who can drive your multi-million C-Bill death machine snooze out in the open when he has 25-100 tons of armored hate he can sleep safe and sound in instead.

Edited by valkyrie, 02 March 2013 - 01:13 AM.

[William Warriors]

Who need a bed? All I need is a small size fridge for my Beer and I drink to pilot and drink to sleep! Ahh nothing like 10 cans of beer before a battle..

[Cmdr Harabec]

Narcisoldier, on 02 March 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Why would you stuff a bed and a microwave in your robot instead of more ammo or heatsinks or computers or...

Because some people have some class and don't like to live like dogs in their Gundam.

[valkyrie]

And, just so there's ZERO doubt as to the validity of those scans haruko provided, here's a photo of the exact page in TechManual they came from, complete with timestamp:

[Mr Mantis]

Heck you could get a studio apartment in the cockpit of an urbanmech and rent it out.

[IceGryphon]

Mr Mantis, on 02 March 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

Heck you could get a studio apartment in the cockpit of an urbanmech and rent it out.

What would the deposit be?
C-Bills or Kroners Please.

[Carrioncrows]

I've got a more indepth take on battlemech cockpits in my artwork thread in the fan art section, but i see most cockpits being closer to a saddle. Which allows them to strap themselves into semi seat, semi- standing and could be decent for sleeping.

As for toilet facilities I imagined it would simply have a filtration system that you "HOOK" up any further thought into much more than that would require a lot more thought, a engineering degree and a dedication to the less appealing aspects of a fictional reality. Good luck. =)

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mr TeaTime, on 02 March 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

Remember a Mech can lie down, sit, roll over and kneel. So it wouldn't necessarily be stood upright whilst the pilot slept and as a Mech doesn't move on its own the usual watches the regular soldiers keep up would cover a firewatch type situation.

Thatd be a hell of a surprise... they tarp over the mech to look like a hill when the pilot sleeps... Imagine the look on the enemy's face after you attack the infantry and an atlas sits up

[valkyrie]

Carrioncrows, on 02 March 2013 - 01:55 AM, said:

I've got a more indepth take on battlemech cockpits in my artwork thread in the fan art section, but i see most cockpits being closer to a saddle. Which allows them to strap themselves into semi seat, semi- standing and could be decent for sleeping.

I'd recommend looking into the science behind ergonomics if I were you. The semi-standing concept could work in some cases, but it does require a bit more effort to stay in a "working" position, and being turned upside-down/thrown on your side/etc. could make it harder to operate compared to being seated.

Also worth mentioning is the fact that standing does burn more calories than sitting for obvious reasons, as does a semi-standing posture. In a warzone where you're already sweating it out to the point where you're fighting heatstroke, you'll definitely want to exert as little stress on your body as possible, and a half-standing position wouldn't really help there. Just my thoughts.

[slash b slash]

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[Aethon]

Mr TeaTime, on 02 March 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

The Locust's cockpit is described as being small, cramped and smelly with a tiny fan at the back to circulate air. It's dominated by the 180d view screen and the stained command chair (the Locust in Thunderrift had celebrated 100 years of service). A second person in the cockpit was basically wedged between the back of the chair and the pod door and had to bend over to not touch the bundles of cables hanging from the low ceiling.

That's a standard command pod, fitted to most Mech's.



Remember a Mech can lie down, sit, roll over and kneel. So it wouldn't necessarily be stood upright whilst the pilot slept and as a Mech doesn't move on its own the usual watches the regular soldiers keep up would cover a firewatch type situation.

Highlander Gambit covers some of this stuff, too; there is a point where a bunch of mechwarriors are having to sleep in their mechs, in the field. They sleep in shifts, with camo nets that block thermal/magscan/etc. tossed over the mechs, with the passive sensors running and the reactors throttled back to their minimum setting.

That is just what they do when they have no infantry available, of course.