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[Doc Holliday]

One Medic Army, on 02 March 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Whenever I'm solo and I'm vs a team, I just think to myself: I'm here alone, they're here in a group. What does that say about our respective Elo scores?

If more people thought and posted like you, this would be a much better game overall.

[Terror Teddy]

One Medic Army, on 02 March 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Whenever I'm solo and I'm vs a team, I just think to myself: I'm here alone, they're here in a group. What does that say about our respective Elo scores?

I stay with the mentality of:

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I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!

[Pierce Rossignol]

It's a TEAM GAME.

What part of "Community Warfare" do you not get?

TeamSpeak is free. It takes literally less than a minute to get on the server and find a team. You don't even need a headset; I use the microphone on my camera.

If you know what you have to do, and yet you don't do it, you get no sympathy from me.

[Mystere]

Fellow PUGs, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps. Learn to adapt, overcome, prevail. We already know they are making up for their handicaps.

[Yokaiko]

Yes I love topping the board in damage when I'm in a Raven. I love being carried.

[Cferre]

Nostram, on 02 March 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

PUG here, do not mind dropping with or against 4-mans. Did not mind dropping against 8-mans either. Whiners are the problem, not the groups.

Not everyone has a death wish like you.

Edited by Cferre, 02 March 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[JimLahey]

You won't get any better if you don't play against stiffer competition. Observe their tactics and learn how to counter.

[Jestun]

Cferre, on 02 March 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Not everyone has a death wish like you.

I don't die when I lose a match.

I disconnect, change mech, and start another match.

[I am]

It is not fair. It is not fun.

[Revorn]

Pug vs Pug only.


Face it, no one wants to play with you, you evil Premades.

[Ghogiel]

It is a non issue.

Elo fixed it.

You should also get used to it as likely larger sized teams than 4mans will make into the 'pug' queue as well.

[F lan Ker]

S!

Been doing lately PUG, 4 and 8 mans. The variety is wild in either PUG or 4 man games. From having players with no grasp of the game whatsoever to really good ones on your side. 8 mans..oh well. What do you expect? Safe cookie cutter builds all over the place and pop tarting like no tomorrow Valid gameplay so no complaints there. Just boring. Maybe burning out on MWO, more or less. I do not even expect CW to be anything but a grind of battles on different maps and that's it. Very much like WoT is. BORING and nothing we do not have already

End of rant..time to do something

[Jestun]

Revorn, on 02 March 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

Pug vs Pug only.


Face it, no one wants to play with you, you evil Premades.

Except for the people who have said they don't care...

[Novakaine]

There are no Premades.
Premades do not exsist.
You have been warned.
FedCom MilSec

[Epyon001]

Triggerhippy, on 02 March 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

really ? this again??
get a new topic guys this is BORING now! SO just to reiterate a few points that will come up and put them to rest.

matches are slated to go up to 12 man teams,
4 man groups will continue to drop with pugs
Yes this is a TEAM game so team work does tend to be the best strategy
Just because you got ROFLstomped does not mean you faced 2 4 man teams dropping together!
VOIP options ARE available - use them please - don't complain about people using them - (it's a pointless arguement, it's not going to happen - tough!)
Bigger and badder Mechs are on the way so learn to deal with what is out there now, there will be nastier builds and mechs soon!



^^ Yes there are bloody hundreds of topics bleeting about this kind of drivel.

no need for a link - use the search function, it's up at the top right of the page.

None within the first few pages like I said and none with a reply from devs stating their opionion if its an issue they want to bother themselves with.

Nostram, on 02 March 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

PUG here, do not mind dropping with or against 4-mans. Did not mind dropping against 8-mans either. Whiners are the problem, not the groups.

While I dont expect everyone to agree with me that its a problem. If you cant at least see how others might view it that why then you're blind or bias.

Yokaiko, on 02 March 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

If only there were public servers where you could find other likeminded mechwarriors?

Oh wait there are.

Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it.

Marduk Moreau, on 02 March 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

Four man teams are not so bad. I have a 50/50 chance of having one on my team as well. It's the 8 man teams that I don't get. Is there not a place for them?

No you don't have a 50/50 chance. Close, but not 50/50.

Pierce Rossignol, on 02 March 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

It's a TEAM GAME.

What part of "Community Warfare" do you not get?

TeamSpeak is free. It takes literally less than a minute to get on the server and find a team. You don't even need a headset; I use the microphone on my camera.

If you know what you have to do, and yet you don't do it, you get no sympathy from me.

You're right! It is a team game. So put the premade teams with the other pre made teams and let the pug teams face off vs the other pug teams.
Thankfully I dont want your sympathy or anything else from you for that matter. Was fishing for a response from someone that could actually fix, change, or say its a non-problem.

Mystere, on 02 March 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

Fellow PUGs, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps. Learn to adapt, overcome, prevail. We already know they are making up for their handicaps.

Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it.

Yokaiko, on 02 March 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

Yes I love topping the board in damage when I'm in a Raven. I love being carried.

Wat? I like building sandcastles too.

spjMrLahey, on 02 March 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

You won't get any better if you don't play against stiffer competition. Observe their tactics and learn how to counter.

There isnt much to counter vs. 4 players that are talking over voip that are used to playing together. The advantage they get from doing so is big enough, in my eyes, that they should only be paired up vs other 4 man groups.

Ghogiel, on 02 March 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

It is a non issue.

Elo fixed it.

You should also get used to it as likely larger sized teams than 4mans will make into the 'pug' queue as well.

Elo doesn't fix it. Elo is a measurement for a players skill. Even the less skilled members of a 4 man are at a huge advantage because they can pre build mechs that work well with the strengths and weaknesses of their 3 other group members and have a much quicker reaction time over voip to assist their fellow pug stompers. Plus they have their better players leading them by the hand making their decisions better effectively improving their ability and making their personal Elo, in a way, higher. (Assuming the person they are taking orders from is the better player)

Edited by Epyon001, 02 March 2013 - 09:18 AM.

[GoManGo]

Jestun, on 02 March 2013 - 02:47 AM, said:

Pre-mades don't need fixing.

Puggers who are incapable of communicating or focusing the same target as everyone else do, that's the problem

Sadly, you can't fix stupid. The best we can hope for is additional communication tools (e.g. VOIP)

WOW another (PUG HATER & SUPER TROLL) owe is this the same one? there are so many I cant count them all. The thing is premades and some don't get that some players just like playing (SOLO) as in FFA'S. Like this clown and many don't understand premade teams some are very good and some really suuckkk so the better ones prey on the worst ones till all that is left is a few good premade teams that wont play each other and only want to slaughter noobs/pugs and weak premades. That is why you don't see a queue for teams only and PGI wont segregate premade teams against all else because they cry to much about having to play each other.

Edited by GoManGo, 02 March 2013 - 09:29 AM.

[Hekalite]

I dropped solo for a bunch Thursday night and was getting slaughtered, though I a lot of that was due to a bad build while leveling my hunchbacks. Later the same night I dropped with a 4 man and the quality of opponent and matches was drastically different. It was like a whole different game. I just finished dropping solo again for a few hours and the experience was not really that bad. I got stomped some and I was on the stomping team a few times too.

It's all luck of the draw. You can't let a single defeat or even a bad run discourage you. Just take your lumps and move on. If you really feel the matches are always unfair, I suggest you make a log of wins, losses and the margin of vitory. I suspect at the end of a stretch of matches the numbers won't really be as bad as it feels just after you get stomped.

Oh, plus additional match maker tweaks/fine tuning are incoming.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

when flying, I can not or have never drove a jet, I should not wonder that I flight simulator in multiplayer while'm cannon fodder until I learned how to be better or with better players together in Also one bruppe games that can help me. otherwise .. I have to play single player games

There is no use if you are good, but your team members play just bad bad team players .. here are a lone wolf, the greater danger than the enemy! Atlas and Cataphract pilots make in 10 minutes harm less than 60, or a team that throws itself closed on a scout and ignores the serious enemies.

a 4 or 8 Man Premade team can fast lost against a good Pug Team

Edited by CSJ Ranger, 02 March 2013 - 09:40 AM.

[Stoicblitzer]

I'm with the people who say premades CAN ruin pug games. I often run in premades and lately have been pugging much more as I switched to a clan with fewer players. The pug life is rough.

It's a difficult problem to solve imo. Segregating the pugs from the premades would likely be the best solution, but it would wreak havoc on premades. Premades need pugs to fill the remaining slots as their Elos are more flexible. It would be a nightmare for the matchmaker to try and match Elo, weight class, and fill 8 slots with premades.

For example what if there are only 3mans in the queue? You can't make 8 from any combination of 3. A 2man might join the queue and their Elo score might be over 9000 and all of the 3s have Elo of 200. This is not even including weight class matching. One can imagine it would get complicated trying to create a fair match consisting only of premades. One possible fix would be for the MM to ignore Elo for premades. It's just a complex problem all-around which may never be solved to everyone's satisfaction.

[Yokaiko]

GoManGo, on 02 March 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

WOW another (PUG HATER & SUPER TROLL) owe is this the same one? there are so many I cant count them all. The thing is premades and some don't get that some players just like playing (SOLO) as in FFA'S.

I pug solo more often than not. He's right there is a LOT of stupid.

I had a drop where it started 6-8 "ok guys stay together." Which of COURSE meant that eveyone split into twos two down the cave to at the mount two in the water last I looked it was 4-0 so I just DC'd with like two shots fired, I wasn't going to be killing 8 mechs in a medium

GoManGo, on 02 March 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

Like this clown and many don't understand premade teams some are very good and some really suuckkk so the better ones prey on the worst ones till all that is left is a few good premade teams that wont play each other and only want to slaughter noobs/pugs and weak premades.

Not possible. particularly now, you either do 8 mans (a real premade) or you do four mans and you are STILL at the mercy of the pugs on your team, because it doesn't matter of you are mechwarrior codename: Jesus, if your four pugs run off and get themselves killed you STILL have a 4 on 8 to deal with and its a rare thing to dig out of that whole.

Ever notice that the team with a disconnect almost never wins, like ever? Yeah try it form 2-3 down.

GoManGo, on 02 March 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

That is why you don't see a queue for teams only and PGI wont segregate premade teams against all else because they cry to much about having to play each other.

I get a giggle there. You would be surprised if you pulled off that "Noble Pug" cape and actually watched the goings on in the public servers, the 4 mans actually go out of their way to congratulate each other when they notice that another dropship group is on the other side.

There is NO single player, there is no PvE there isn't so much as a training ground. The best team wins and people that just want FFA aren't going to be the best team players, ever. They need to get over that idea. If you want to solo kill everying go play planetside, there are a lot more targets.