Pug my last game 20 minutes ago .. I lost against other players PUG! Why! I made a Cataphract 1 kill and 390 dmg, a Catapult on my team 13! Dmg and Atlas 30! Dmg ... because you need to lose any players to Premade
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My Turn At Whining - Group's Vs. Pugs
Started by Epyon001, Mar 02 2013 12:23 AM
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- Wrath
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:46 PM
I am neither blind nor biased, I just do not believe in the ultimate prolonged hand-holding that seems to be desired by the masses. At best a PUG only queue for those with less than say 1000-2500gxp earned would be a fitting solution. It keeps you out of the experienced masses for a reasonable amount of time to get you accustomed to knowing what to do & when to do it. Beyond that it would be nothing more than hand-holding and forcing a further separation of groups vs solo droppers would only segregate our community further.
I am all for providing an adequate training experience for our young-lings so they are not simply lambs to the slaughter, but I can not stand by and promote an increasing rift in our community because the big bad premade rolled over you. I am not in a group, with a company, etc. I do not see myself being able to be in one unfortunately as I do not own a headset and can not commit to a guaranteed playtime. If I were forced to only play against potentially unorganized opponents then you would in fact be ruining this game for me and quite possibly many others like me.
As a PUG you have tools available to you to provide a balance cooperate team-play experience. Instead of spreading further hate and propaganda against premade groups I suggest you promote the usage of in-game text based chat tools and team work methods possible within these tools. An educated PUG group that works together is just as deadly as a premade, even if they have never dropped with each other prior to that match. That the choice has not been made to utilize these things in a wide-spread enough manner to overcome the constant threads crying for segregation then it is more clear to me that you are more focused on calling out for more "easy-mode" than you are for improving inter-player cooperation.
Your goal of a better play experience for all is a good one, but the method you are choosing to do so is not necessarily the one best suited for everyone.
I am all for providing an adequate training experience for our young-lings so they are not simply lambs to the slaughter, but I can not stand by and promote an increasing rift in our community because the big bad premade rolled over you. I am not in a group, with a company, etc. I do not see myself being able to be in one unfortunately as I do not own a headset and can not commit to a guaranteed playtime. If I were forced to only play against potentially unorganized opponents then you would in fact be ruining this game for me and quite possibly many others like me.
As a PUG you have tools available to you to provide a balance cooperate team-play experience. Instead of spreading further hate and propaganda against premade groups I suggest you promote the usage of in-game text based chat tools and team work methods possible within these tools. An educated PUG group that works together is just as deadly as a premade, even if they have never dropped with each other prior to that match. That the choice has not been made to utilize these things in a wide-spread enough manner to overcome the constant threads crying for segregation then it is more clear to me that you are more focused on calling out for more "easy-mode" than you are for improving inter-player cooperation.
Your goal of a better play experience for all is a good one, but the method you are choosing to do so is not necessarily the one best suited for everyone.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:49 PM
Epyon001, on 02 March 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:
Can anything be done about 4mans droping vs. full pug groups.
Boating, ECM, ravens, catapults, SRM, and LRM are all fair to me because of counterplay, but teamwork is overpowered when you are solo.
The level of teamwork a full pug can achieve will never match a group of 4 that use voip and are use to playing with each other.
Will anything be done to ensure their groups are only paired up vs other groups?
Boating, ECM, ravens, catapults, SRM, and LRM are all fair to me because of counterplay, but teamwork is overpowered when you are solo.
The level of teamwork a full pug can achieve will never match a group of 4 that use voip and are use to playing with each other.
Will anything be done to ensure their groups are only paired up vs other groups?
As soon as they put in a voice chat this will be taken care of man and please stop crying about teamwork being overpowered if you feel that way then go get on a team and stomp some pugs. I personally have no issues when i pug.
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