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[p00k]

One Medic Army, on 02 March 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

I use neither.
Gauss explodes
UAC/5 Jams

I prefer AC/10, AC/2, or AC/20

No question though that AC/5 is the worst ballistic.

blasphemy. ac5 is fine.

first of all, machine guns are the worst ballistic
secondly, ac5's are better than ac2's, even ignoring the ac2's ROF bug. and with the ROF bug the ac2 is clearly worse
and thirdly, the one crit difference between an ac5 and a uac5 means in some mechs you can take dual ac5's (but not dual uac5s) and essentially have a heavier but fast firing ac10. and the ac5 remains the most heat efficient ballistic for its dps

right now, top tier ballistics are the gauss, uac5, and ac20
good tier = ac5 and ac10
mediocre tier = ac2, lbx10
crap tier = machine guns

[One Medic Army]

Right now calling a machine gun a "ballistic" is like calling a Chihuahua a "dog".
Technically correct, but "tiny, useless, and obnoxious" fits better.

AC/5s have good heat efficiency, but they have terrible DPS, and terrible single-hit damage.
Dual AC/5s is 16tons to 12 for an AC/10, and 8slots vs 7.
I'd rather not pay the extra 4tons and 1crit.

As to the AC/2 RoF bug, it's not affecting my atlas noticeably.

Edited by One Medic Army, 02 March 2013 - 12:43 PM.

[Spinning Burr]

I would say gauss and UAC5 top tier; then ac5, ac2, and ac20 as good; then ac10 and lbx10 as poor, and finally machine gun as very poor.

[BlackAce]

The AC10. It doesn't Jam, It doesn't explode and it doesn't get critted by everything that looks at it funny.

[Josef Nader]

That's a really strange way of spelling AC20.

[The Warspite]

I went with other, AC/20 is king of ballistics.

[BlackAce]

Josef Nader, on 02 March 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

That's a really strange way of spelling AC20.

"Critical Hit: AC20 - Destroyed."

I half expect her to add; "Have a nice day."

[Josef Nader]

BlackAce, on 02 March 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

"Critical Hit: AC20 - Destroyed."

I half expect her to add; "Have a nice day."

You all just suck at protecting your toys. If your left side hasn't been completely obliterated before your AC20, you aren't doin' it right.

[ferranis]

I have to rethink my oppinion on the jägermech when quad uac5 are possible. DAKKA DAKKKA WAAAAGHH jam jam jam..... DAKKA DAKKA.

Edited by ferranis, 02 March 2013 - 01:09 PM.

[Spinning Burr]

I decided I like 3xUAC5 + one ERPPC more than I like 2xUAC5 + one gauss rifle on the Ilya. One match it was down to 1 vs 1 with two phracts and we were both out of ammo by this point. Everyone else was dead. The ER PPC saved me. Besides, the triple UAC5 just lays down firepower like an entire lance of mechs. It's an army of one, and it's great for pilots who aren't good at or don't like to torso twist between volleys while weapons recycle. I voted for UAC5 over gauss in the poll, too.

Muromets with triple UAC5 banging away without torso twist shielding is prime example of great offense as a good defense.

[p00k]

One Medic Army, on 02 March 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

Right now calling a machine gun a "ballistic" is like calling a Chihuahua a "dog".
Technically correct, but "tiny, useless, and obnoxious" fits better.

AC/5s have good heat efficiency, but they have terrible DPS, and terrible single-hit damage.
Dual AC/5s is 16tons to 12 for an AC/10, and 8slots vs 7.
I'd rather not pay the extra 4tons and 1crit.

As to the AC/2 RoF bug, it's not affecting my atlas noticeably.

ac5's have 2.94 dps. 2 of them have 5.88
an ac10 has 4 dps

so for 33% more tonnage and 14% more crits, you're getting 47% more dps, and just as heat efficient as an ac10 (1.2 vs 2x0.59=1.18 hps)

that's a better tradeoff than most other weapon options

terrible dps? your math is wrong. terrible single hit damage? 2 of them are the same as a single ac10 for single hit damage

and the ac2's ROF bug probably isn't impacting your atlas noticeably because 2 of them still fire pretty damn fast. but you're not getting anywhere near the 4 dps per gun that each one should have, plus ac2's have even worse single hit damage, scatter their damage more than any other ballistic short of mguns & the lbx, and is less heat efficient than a large laser

per others' testing, each ac2 right now is only getting ~2.3 - 2.5 dps, which is worse than the ac5. it's also 2 tons lighter, but the disparity in heat efficiency is greater than 2 tons worth of 1.4sinks

Edited by p00k, 02 March 2013 - 02:58 PM.

[Oppresor]

Give the option I would always go with the Gauss Rifle; these things can actually take limbs off, I know because I did it in MW4. The only real problem with MWO in this department is that they haven't given us the Heavy gauss Rifle yet; this really does fit in to the BFG classification.

[Bl1tzcrank]

This question is pretty rough. Obviously ultra's are extremely powerful if you are running more than one. However, when comparing the weapons side by side, the guass is clearly better. Hell, there is only 125 dmg in a box of ultra ammo and you go through it so fast it isn't even funny.

Edited by Bl1tzcrank, 02 March 2013 - 03:32 PM.

[RapierE01]

in my opinion and for my gameplay style the AC10 is the best solution. Gauss is nice but too heavy for 5 points more Damage and a better Range

[ferranis]

It is realy a thing of preference. I for example use lasers for accurate damage and balistics for the sheer dakka. Aim dead center torso and go for it style. So the uac5 is the natural choice.

[Ivanzypher]

AC20.

[Wintersdark]

The AC/20 is far better now it's got 30 health. It doesn't spontaneously die anymore.

Also: I loathe UAC/5's unless you can stack lots. They'll be obscene on the Jagermech, but until you have 3+ of them, they're simply too unreliable.

I'd FAR rather have them single-shot with no jamming when you hold the button down and doubleshot when you tap the fire button.

[MischiefSC]

The AC/20 is the queen of the ballistic battlefield until the UAC/20 comes along.

All others are unworthy pretenders to the throne.

The delay in firing is important; it lets you BOOM, swing swing, BOOM, swing swing, stack that AC/20 with 3xSRM6s and you've got some face-raeping firepower that guts pretty much anything stupid enough to brawl with you. On a good day I've been able to face-hump 2 heavies and an Atlas or two with that simple trick. It's all about knowing when to pop and swing.

UAC/5s are better than gauss though unless you're going for a sniper build. Just neither of them are AC/20s.

[Spinning Burr]

I think AC10 and AC20 require you to have exceptional timing and aim not to mention a "feel" for each gun in order to be at all effective with it. So its a steep learning curve weapon and unforgiving. Gauss is more forgiving to people with mediocre aim. UAC5 is even more forgiving than gauss except for ammo shortage. AC2's are the most forgiving true ballistic weapons for aiming accuracy (not counting machine guns). So I think if you're running AC20 or AC10, you really have to know what you're doing, to be on par with a more mediocre player like me running UAC5 or gauss.

Someone will say LBX10 is most forgiving aimed ballistic weapon, but I argue it's not aimed at a precise point but just shot in general direction of a body part.

Edited by Spinning Burr, 02 March 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[Metafox]

I've gone up against so many gauss+ppc sniper teams over the last couple weeks that I'm relieved when I see a CTF with UAC5s. You can say what you want about DPS, but at least those UAC5s won't instantly core you from behind cover 1km away.