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#1 BigBadHarv

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

following on from this thread: http://mwomercs.com/...27#entry1952427 i posted on Sunday and after talking with friends irl I've pretty much decided to pack it in early.
I know I know, drama llama etc. but I do have good reasons for this.

I had been praying for a mechwarrior mmo for more then 10 years now. I had never played an mmorpg before and they never really appealed to me, but alas, I was a major battletech fan. Me and my friends grew up with the mechwarrior games and books, heck I still have a long sleve polo t-shirt you got with mechwarrior 2: mercenaries around here somewhere. Needless to say, we were massive fans of the universe whether it was the books or the various games. When we saw that early trailer (3 years ago now i think?) we were so excited for a new mechwarrior game and it looked amazing.

we started talking about it, how we could be in the universe with our mechs, unit etc. We thought there would be this massive cool other end to the game where we could do planetaries, fight the clans, take part in the history of the universe with thousands of other people and pretty much live the dream we had since we were 10 years old. but now, alas, the true colour of the beast has reared its ugly head.

I stopped playing DotA 3 months ago now. Every game I played was pointless. You press the Launch button and that was it, that was your fate, you win or lose based on that and those numbers go into a system that decides how good you are. Your fate was not in your hands. I was part of a good few teams over my dota/hon days. I was a good player, good stats, high mmr/elo but alas, the atmosphere of those games was completely toxic. Players acting like rabid animals because their stats proved that they weren't good at the game and thus they would flame/troll/anti-play etc. if you had 1 or 2 on your team you autolost the game. Such things as playing against their own team happened every game, if i was doing well and winning for the team, there would be a guy there getting mad at me and start doing his best to lose.
I used to boast on servers to players that i was better than 95% of the people that play the game. dotabuff.com did an update recently, turned out i was better than only 94% of players :rolleyes:

What I learned was that all of that, all the time spent chasing elo numbers and stats etc was basically putting a bunsen burner under the limited time i spend on this planet. the numbers were so inaccurate (elo is a ranking system devised for a 1v1 board game, chess, and due to the mass variance involved, has absolutely no bearing on 8v8 mech simulator computer games) that every game just didnt matter. you were locked in with people you wouldnt go near for a second irl and if you didnt want to play with them, tough, you lose points and slip further down the ladder. Im 28 now (almost 29!) and i dont really have the time to play with teams/clans anymore. Ive done all that when i was younger. I was the team captain for my countries esports team on clanbase, I organised LANs, worked on the journalistic side of games and played at a very high level across a good few games. it was fun, but not anymore.

What I wanted from MWO was the dream game. Something I could come home to and play with the friends i (fortunately) still have. I moved away from DotA/HoN/LoL because they were games poisoned with elo & stats. toxic communities with an unbelievably huge 'lower' caste of gamers (look up elo hell). Now, the primary reason I left those games, has come to a game Ive loved and wanted all my life. It was like a sucker punch. It proved to me that PGI just want to try and get some of that lucrative LoL/F2P market. This game can be so so so much more, but alas we get a bolted on elo system that has absolutely no right to be here. To me it reeks of laziness and is reminiscent of other companies lazy approach to creating games (S2 Games comes to mind).

Now I know some of you are getting very angry at reading this, the trolls, the dribbling wrecks, the people who make games a struggle to play to those I say the following: You are the same person. I've seen you, talked with you and played with you across tons of games. You act in the same manner as everyone else in your bracket and anything and everything you say is very very easily predicted. The same distortion of facts, the same need to troll, the same need to bend reality to how you want, the same lack of depth, intelligence and taste is prevalent throughout all of you. I know you hate being as crap as you are. I know its hard to accept your limitations and I know the internet and games are a great way to vent this rage but know this, your life is only as horrible as you are making it. The further you get away from the truth the more terrible a person you become. There are literally millions of you out there, all the same, the same phrases, the same cliched personality, the same low brow and low standards, clogging up game servers and choking the fun out of what is meant to be entertainment. You are catered for and a lot of money is made off of you, that is the only thing you add to a world filled with wonder and amazement. Well done.


Its such a pity that a game I loved is going to go to the dogs. Im still eager to be proved wrong but the signs are all there, Ive seen it all before but I will hold out hope that in a year or 2's time, this will be a game worth playing with all those features Ive dreamed of. As is, its far too similar to league of legends in both marketing strategy and development. Chasing and grinding numbers that are completely irrelevant to your life. I'll keep my account active, I have a lot of stuff on there and ive got about 15 days of premium time left Ill use. Still feel like I've been kicked in the gut :P

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

Long post.

#3 Kraven Kor

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

TL;DR: Stop liking what I don't like, and anyone that disagrees is a terrible person who only wants to see me suffer, PGI being the worst example thereof.

Did I get it right?

(Note, I don't like ELO all that much either, but... really?)

#4 BigBadHarv

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostKraven Kor, on 26 February 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

TL;DR: Stop liking what I don't like, and anyone that disagrees is a terrible person who only wants to see me suffer, PGI being the worst example thereof.

Did I get it right?

(Note, I don't like ELO all that much either, but... really?)


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Now I know some of you are getting very angry at reading this, the trolls, the dribbling wrecks, the people who make games a struggle to play to those I say the following: You are the same person. I've seen you, talked with you and played with you across tons of games. You act in the same manner as everyone else in your bracket and anything and everything you say is very very easily predicted. The same distortion of facts, the same need to troll, the same need to bend reality to how you want, the same lack of depth, intelligence and taste is prevalent throughout all of you. I know you hate being as crap as you are. I know its hard to accept your limitations and I know the internet and games are a great way to vent this rage but know this, your life is only as horrible as you are making it. The further you get away from the truth the more terrible a person you become. There are literally millions of you out there, all the same, the same phrases, the same cliched personality, the same low brow and low standards, clogging up game servers and choking the fun out of what is meant to be entertainment. You are catered for and a lot of money is made off of you, that is the only thing you add to a world filled with wonder and amazement. Well done.


#5 Mrllamaface

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:02 PM

View PostBigBadHarv, on 26 February 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

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I know I know, drama llama etc. but I do have good reasons for this.



Why blame llamas???? We had nothing to do with it.

Also 28 is not too old to be in a group. The merc company I am in is filled with people who are "older". Take some time and perhaps you can find a group that is a bit more casual. This might help you enjoy the game more.

#6 Lukoi Banacek

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

BBH you're judging the game based on a Beta that's testing combat mechanics.

CW isn't in yet. Much of what you're hoping to get from this game is predicated on how CW is implemented.

So, if you've had your fill of pointless fights, by all means take a break. Some of us are still having fun with the pointless battles however, so we'll see you later.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

I don't see how the game's going to the dogs or whatever. The biggest, most enthralling gameplay elements haven't even been fully explained yet and we've only just seen what the big maps are going to be like. I find alpine to be a very exciting taste of what's to come.

Just have a little patience, man. They went open beta long before they should have and tried to monetize further than they already had before they should have as well. But that doesn't mean the game's goin' down the tubes or anything. The gameplay is still really solid and the art design is fantastic. Should this game be any more successful than it already has been(they have indeed made quite a bit of money thusfar), then who knows what the future holds. Maybe a retail MechWarrior with a coop campaign, perhaps some huge expansions to community warfare for MWO, maybe someday there'll be a revival of that crazy battletech MMO that people used to rave about(which sounds kinda like community warfare, honestly).

Just give 'em time, man. They're not the biggest developer in the universe, they can only do so much per month and their scope is freaking gargantuan.

#8 Kraven Kor

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

I'm not angry, I'm generally not really a troll I don't think, though I'm sure I have my moments. It seems you are angry about ELO.

Sorry, just usually have to kind of point out these kinds of posts where someone posts some big "I'm leaving because PGI failed me" posts.

Mostly just razzing you.

Also, note i did not once insult you, or even use unkind language, while your post is painting 80% of the population as mouth-breathers...

#9 The Cheese

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:06 PM

Does it bug anyone else when people try to validate their rants by starting with "I've been a MW/BT fan for X years"?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

Kinda sad to read this because I'd be willing to talk to BBH about the state of gaming in general and catering to the lowest common denominator but as can be seen by his second post, Kraven nailed it dead on. BBH doesn't really want to talk about gaming or e-sport or competitive play. He wants to whine that this game is not his vision and therefore the world can blow it out its collective ear.

Congratulations on being almost 29. When you can grow up and stop being a special snowflake, let us know and I'll be happy to have a more mature discussion with you about gaming, game design, marketability and MMOs. I'll also be happy to explain the difference between an MMO and an MMORPG if you are interested.

#11 Mrllamaface

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

View PostThe Cheese, on 26 February 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Does it bug anyone else when people try to validate their rants by starting with "I've been a MW/BT fan for X years"?

Yes but only because I have palying BT/MW for like 25 years.


Sorry off topic, but I couldn't resist.

#12 Dran

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

So you dont believe people should be playing against others with the same skill level? Thats the whole point of ELO from what I understand... I also dont believe this community is anywhere near as bad as LoL or Dota but *shrugs* agree to disagree then.

One of the best things about MWO's ELO is that no one knows where they are placed... you cant tell if you are in this mythical ELO hell or not lol..

#13 Kraven Kor

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

View PostThe Cheese, on 26 February 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Does it bug anyone else when people try to validate their rants by starting with "I've been a MW/BT fan for X years"?


The only thing that really bothers me is people being bothered by silly things like that :rolleyes:

Being a BT fan or MW player in the past has absolutely no weight on your opinion, nor does not having been such a fan, all things considered.

Some people post and say "I'm a game designer so my opinion should matter" or "I'm a founder and have spent $475 USD so my opinion should matter" or "I've been playing Battletech since it was called Battledroids, so my opinion should matter. Also, I need to take my Geritol" :P

I have news for all such people: Your opinion matters. Just as much as the next guy's opinion matter. And anything you state as a reason to why your opinion should matter more, pretty much means we should ignore you completely for being self-important.

Me? I'm an *******. Don't listen to me.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

View PostBeeman, on 26 February 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

I don't see how the game's going to the dogs or whatever. The biggest, most enthralling gameplay elements haven't even been fully explained yet and we've only just seen what the big maps are going to be like. I find alpine to be a very exciting taste of what's to come.

Just have a little patience, man. They went open beta long before they should have and tried to monetize further than they already had before they should have as well. But that doesn't mean the game's goin' down the tubes or anything. The gameplay is still really solid and the art design is fantastic. Should this game be any more successful than it already has been(they have indeed made quite a bit of money thusfar), then who knows what the future holds. Maybe a retail MechWarrior with a coop campaign, perhaps some huge expansions to community warfare for MWO, maybe someday there'll be a revival of that crazy battletech MMO that people used to rave about(which sounds kinda like community warfare, honestly).

Just give 'em time, man. They're not the biggest developer in the universe, they can only do so much per month and their scope is freaking gargantuan.


Im going to give them time, but if the implementation of an elo system on a game that doesnt need it is their idea of a priority, then I can pretty much guess the rest. Been around long enough to know cowboys when I see them. I was a former gaming journalist and had to deal with publishers and developers all the time, the general rule is to believe only about 10 - 20% of what you are being told. kinda like fox news actually :rolleyes:

I love MW & battletech so much that yeah, I'm willing to wait and see what its like in a few years and I REALLY want the game to be all they promised, but im so unwilling to play the elo game with the undesirables that yeah, maybe its time to just stop.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:11 PM

View PostDran, on 26 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

So you dont believe people should be playing against others with the same skill level? Thats the whole point of ELO from what I understand... I also dont believe this community is anywhere near as bad as LoL or Dota but *shrugs* agree to disagree then.

One of the best things about MWO's ELO is that no one knows where they are placed... you cant tell if you are in this mythical ELO hell or not lol..


Sure you can.

If every match is nothing but DDC's, Raven 3L's, and instant-kill headshots from 1000m, you are in this game's ELO Hell :rolleyes:

If half of your matches feature people who should probably be wearing helmets, you are slumming it with me.

Edited by Kraven Kor, 26 February 2013 - 04:13 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:12 PM

This is just a small part of what the game will acutally be.

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 26 February 2013 - 04:12 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:14 PM

Another dime a dozen rant. Funny thing here is the preemptive insulting calling everyone else dime a dozen. Well, you gotta put your own twist on it somehow.

Really though, if you don't want to play the game, then just don't play the game. You don't need to attention *****.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:14 PM

View PostVoridan Atreides, on 26 February 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

This is just a small part of what the game will acutally be.


I doubt that CW will change things that much, it will still be a 1pv shooter.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:15 PM

View PostBigBadHarv, on 26 February 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Me and my friends grew up with the mechwarrior games


It's "my friends and I". Just thought you should know.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

Lol, 28 (almost 29!) and burned out on games forever. I feel sorry for you on that regard, but keep your "Games are for kiddies I R GROWEDUP NAO" attitude to yourself. You sound like a reformed smoker.

Wait, I lied, you ended off your post with a bunch of snark and sniping at people just because. I change my pity to telling you to not let the door hit your burro on the way out. Because we like that door.



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