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[Oy of MidWorld]

Roland, on 06 March 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Having people able to actually shoot you, if they aim where you are, isn't really an "extreme".

It's "how the game is supposed to work."

Light mechs are actually still immensely strong. You just need to actually maneuver now, and not depend on the lag protecting you.

Non-streak lights actually benefitted from this change to some extent, as they are now able to consistently land damage on 3L's.

Roland my dinh, you're always right...

[mayakashiii]

Voridan Atreides, on 06 March 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

State Rewind was not meant to help Light pilots.

I wasn't asking for help. I just want to be able to maneuver and I can't. Might be the ping that is causing noticeably more problems now.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

T Hawk, on 06 March 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

I wasn't asking for help. I just want to be able to maneuver and I can't. Might be the ping that is causing noticeably more problems now.

No it's the fact that light mechs are no longer immune to bad choices.

[mayakashiii]

Roland, on 06 March 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Non-streak lights actually benefitted from this change to some extent, as they are now able to consistently land damage on 3L's.

Wrong because it's hitbox is still messed up.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

T Hawk, on 06 March 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Wrong because it's hitbox is still messed up.

It has a fairly sleek profile if thats what you mean, in comparison to a Jenner.

[Lefty Lucy]

Voridan Atreides, on 06 March 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Its about time.

Yep. The speed of a light mech already gives the huge advantage when it comes to dictating the terms of engagement, and being able to evade the fire arcs of mechs, in addition to more strategic advantages of capturing points early, base feints, etc. Lights were never meant to be in-the-middle-of-the-furball-brawlers. There can be no "gone too far" when it comes to making sure that what a player sees on his or her screen is the same as what the server detects.

[ZnSeventeen]

This is odd. Yesterday I played my speedy spider and had very nearly the best survival I ever had, and did the most damage. No one hit kills whatsoever. May have just been me turning competent, but really, it felt about right.

[Commander Kobold]

T Hawk, on 06 March 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

...but this time from the perspective of a Light pilot.

The past 6 games I got legged, disarmed and one-shot killed. These 6 games have been the shortest I ever played. Couldn't see it coming, death out of nowhere.

Something is definitely wrong.

No, I am not a 3L pilot. I play Spiders almost exclusively.

I think State rewind helped solve the problem with Lag shields, but it took us into another extreme.

nothing is wrong, you're just actually being hit now and your cardboard light mech armor can't handle the amount of punishment you're used to.

DV McKenna, on 06 March 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

It has a fairly sleek profile if thats what you mean, in comparison to a Jenner.

not the hit boxes on ravens are really borked, I was in the training ground and standing still at about 100 meters away my laser shots registeres on both legs or ocasionally the damge was spreadung itself without me moving my mouse(using medium laser)

[Praehotec8]

One other thing, I think the leg damage mechanic was reworked/fixed. I had a couple of heavies with only 20 leg armor, and their legs were getting vaporized all of a sudden until I increased their leg armor. Other than that...I think it's fine that lights can actually be targeted now. One light should not abe able to easily take down an atlas 1v1.

[Roland]

T Hawk, on 06 March 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Wrong because it's hitbox is still messed up.

I believe that the only thing about ravens that is messed up about its hit boxes, are that multi-component limbs tend to drop damage from explosive weapons. But this is the same with all mechs who have lots of leg parts (like jenners).

This doesn't really impact killing ravens though, because their legs are effectively the worst thing to target on them.

When you want to kill a raven, you punch it in the side torso. It's a huge target compared to the rest of the mech. And it has exactly the same amount of armor as their leg... and unless their build is terrible, they are running an XL engine. So when you kill the side torso, using exactly as much damage as it would have taken to kill their leg, they'll die instead of just being slowed down.

[Commander Kobold]

Oni Ralas, on 06 March 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Raven hitboxes are still messed up. They arent going own fast enough to non ballistic fire.

rewind only affected lasers flamers and miniguns

[Lyrik]

My Jenner is killing ECM Cicadas, Commandos and Ravens left and right :-)

BUT I always run away when there are mechs with large (pulse) lasers like the LazorCat or something with Streaks. And I got killed by LRM and an AC20 today xD

I don't attack anything which doesn't focus any other mech or is already heavy damaged. I don't run alone on the small maps... And I get fare less exp as my Cats but the same numbers of kills.

[Major Scumbag]

Cyner, on 06 March 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

I didn't seem to have an issue on my Ravens, but my friend was complaining about being annihilated almost immediately every game and he plays spiders and commandos. I'll test more tomorrow.

I think Commando's and Spiders have there hit boxes fixed. I think the hit boxes on Raven are still the same....Bugged. I could be wrong though.

Edited by Major Scumbag, 06 March 2013 - 02:33 PM.

[Lyrik]

Praehotec8, on 06 March 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

One other thing, I think the leg damage mechanic was reworked/fixed. I had a couple of heavies with only 20 leg armor, and their legs were getting vaporized all of a sudden until I increased their leg armor. Other than that...I think it's fine that lights can actually be targeted now. One light should not abe able to easily take down an atlas 1v1.

Oh, I like shooting legs on heavys :-P Most don't have much armor AND muni in it xD

[Stone Profit]

T Hawk, on 06 March 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

...but this time from the perspective of a Light pilot.

The past 6 games I got legged, disarmed and one-shot killed. These 6 games have been the shortest I ever played. Couldn't see it coming, death out of nowhere.

Something is definitely wrong.

No, I am not a 3L pilot. I play Spiders almost exclusively.

I think State rewind helped solve the problem with Lag shields, but it took us into another extreme.

So without lag you fail as a light pilot? Thats happening alot these days...

[von Pilsner]

Oni Ralas, on 06 March 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Raven hitboxes are still messed up. They arent going own fast enough to non ballistic fire.

Agreed, but the other lights seem quite hittable now and they seem to be taking damage.

[TheGreatNoNo]

[Obadiah333]

AHHAHAHAHHAHAAAHAA!!!!! For more maniacal laughter, wait for them to bring knockdown back. It's about time you were able to hit lights. AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH!!!!!!

[PropagandaWar]

T Hawk, on 06 March 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

...but this time from the perspective of a Light pilot.

The past 6 games I got legged, disarmed and one-shot killed. These 6 games have been the shortest I ever played. Couldn't see it coming, death out of nowhere.

Something is definitely wrong.

No, I am not a 3L pilot. I play Spiders almost exclusively.

I think State rewind helped solve the problem with Lag shields, but it took us into another extreme.

I wish I could feel bad for you, but I don't. In fact when the rest of the weapons come online and knockdowns lights will be hunted by me and my pack for at least a month relentlessly. As they say Payback is a Byatch.

Edited by PropagandaWar, 06 March 2013 - 02:41 PM.

[Tarman]

PropagandaWar, on 06 March 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

I wish I could feel bad for you, but I don't. In fact when the rest of the weapons come online and knockdowns lights will be hunted by me and my pack for at least a month relentlessly. As they say Payback is a Byatch.

I will drive MORE lights when knockdown comes back. Maaaaan I miss those days. Being a light pilot was effing DANGEROUS. Such a thrill.