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[Wintersdark]

ciller, on 09 March 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

I changed my playstyle during the assist portion of the second day and skyrocketed up in ranks. I copied the run and die method the leaders were using. I DO NOT feel like a top gun using this method, I actually feel far from a top gun but now I'm on the leaderboard.

I do not like this.

I am sorry to all those who had to drop with me in the assist portion.

well, that explains that at least.

Start of battle -

Me: Oh, ciller is on my team! Awesome!
Mid battle: Wait... What the heck is he doing?
End of battle: I don't even?

A couple drops later, similar results.

A third drop, and I was ecstatic to see you on the other team.

I had forgotten there was a tournament on. Kind of blocked it out after the horror that was the last one.

Edit: Damn autocorrect changed "ciller" to "caller". Meh.

Edited by Wintersdark, 09 March 2013 - 10:57 PM.

[Wintersdark]

To be clear, I don't fault anyone for playing to win a tournament, whatever that requires. I only blame PGI for picking terrible scoring/rules that require such things.

[Grayseven]

In the course of my normal game play I can pick up 4 to 7 assists a game. My K/D ratio in most mechs stinks on ice because I don't get tunnel vision and refuse to let mechs park on my six and put SSRM's into my back. So instead of getting kills I rack up assists as the mortally wounded mech I was pounding on walks into the sights of another team mate while I turn to deal with the new threat.

I'll participate in these tourney's but I know I'll never place well because I refuse to change my playstyle or mech loadouts just to inflate some numbers that don't really mean anything.

I fully agree that these tournaments need an overhaul. Encouraging people to play unhealthy amounts of games seems just a touch irresponsible, especially when the structure of the games scoring system encourages people to play in ways that hinders their team instead of complimenting it.

For tournaments to accurately gauge the entrants level of skill (and/or luck...let's be honest with ourselves here) the scoring system needs to ensure players are still playing "for the team" instead of for individual glory. To encourage responsible game play, strict time limits or a set number of matches played over a period of days should be used.

Let's face it, these tourneys should not boil down to who has the most free time available in a 72 hour period, who has the best bladder control and who thinks hallucinations due to sleep deprivation are another form of entertainment.

The time bracket set up for this tourney helps out but the criteria encourages play that emphasizes individual glory over team play.

Want to encourage teamwork? Count stats only from games won for a start. Giving people standing for blindly charging the enemy in a light mech and doing damage to every mech before dying of stupidity only encourages that stupidity.

[Merky Merc]

Vassago Rain, on 09 March 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

And sometimes you get a full team with decent players, but you have to battled synched goons. Oh well.

This has been happening a lot for me lately

At least they're not jerks when they win... or wait

[MischiefSC]

Vassago Rain, on 09 March 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

And sometimes you get a full team with decent players, but you have to battled synched goons. Oh well.

I did that before Elo. Was my favorite match EVER. Frozen city. We all saw it was an 8 man goon drop, they were trash talking in chat. We dropped south base and everyone just freaking clicked. Formed up in D5, calling out our loadouts on the way. In less than 2 minutes we were in position and a well oiled machine. Charge the hill, atlases first, call targets. Focus fire right to left, biggest to smallest. If it's snipers and LRM boats divert to 6 line to fall behind the little n/s ridge. If it's brawlers go left into the buildings down to G, then back right.

We rolled them 8 - 0 pug rush FTW. I probably picked up more tactics in that 5 minute match than in any other 5 hours of playtime. They were 3 3Ls, a splatcat, 3 atlases and a stalker. We covered each other, focused fire like a ****, watched each others percentages. I lost a torso and was red CT and the other 2 assaults on my team just stepped between me and enemy fire, I fell back and supported. Was probably the best game I ever played. Cemented my respect for hardcore pugs - we kicked a$$ because we stuck together, read the play second by second without voip to help.

Goons don't bother me now. Pugs stomp people when they are motivated to work as a team. Voip is for fun, not necessity. That video of the trial mech challenges showed that, I think there were 3 useful sentences between all 4 games.

I have some friends I drop with sometimes who are very cool. In the end though nothing makes me happier than dropping on a team of solid pugs who just gel into a killing machine. It's a hell of a rush.

p00k, on 09 March 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

next tournament. winner has the most deaths in a 2hr span.

i wonder what would happen? not like i have the foresight to anticipate what might happen, so the only way to find out is to try it and see right?

That would be amazing. Flamer, TAG, NARC and MG builds all around. 'You kill me!' 'No, you kill me first!' 'Kill me or I'll cap you out!'

I can just see it turning into a leg-shooting contest, trying to cripple the other team to keep them from capping you if they refuse to kill you. Either that or finding the guys on the other team who are NOT in the tournament and lining up to get head-shot by him.

Actually, that tournament would be stupid-funny. I'd love that.

Adrian Steel, on 09 March 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

Just like the Scrub Tier Ghetto! Those were the good old days.

I miss it. I really do sometimes. Currently my Elo in a heavy or assault tends to put me in/against a lot of premades. Sometimes I get some amazing pug games but it's about 50/50 silent premade teams where 4 teammates just split off like a little row of ducks, ignoring what the rest of the team does. A little 4-man squad of lights going tunnel.... I watched an Atlas/Cataphract team just quietly go do that today, Frozen Colony tunnel. Whole rest of the team was going D7 ambush... This leads to losses as much as wins and if we win it's more 'in spite of' than 'because of' the go-do-your-own-thingers.

The Scrub Tier Pug Ghetto. I miss it.

[Dawnthieve]

I must say this is heresy. PGI does only do great stuff. SO i didn't even care to read through the 3 pages. In fact i didn't read nothing at all. PGI is great, they created an awesome game. If you don't like it, leave it.

/thread

P.S.: I like BROtzels

[Novakaine]

Kill these insipid tournies and get us somes real CW.
Sheeeeeesh.

[ZealotTheFallen]

CW was the only reason my guild got back together, and thats why they all are gone again.

[XIRUSPHERE]

Tell me why they would need a legitimate or thoughtful tourney when people will do anything they can to game the system. If you take a step back for a minute and look at the game for what it is so far it is incredibly limited and just plain broken everywhere. [redacted]

Edited by miSs, 10 March 2013 - 09:07 AM.

[El Bandito]

Only no-lifers care about PGI tournaments such as this. I on the other hand, try to enjoy the game, among other important things to do.

Edited by El Bandito, 09 March 2013 - 09:43 PM.

[Dawnthieve]

XIRUSPHERE. HERETIC. PGI has created a fully developed game of awesomeness. You must be blind not to see it and dead inside not to feel it. I offer you a BROtzel, it may help you become enlightened in the end.

[NitroDev]

their intentions were good. it's just too bad it gets exploited by the lowest of the common denominators. you know who you are.

i would like to see a tournament actually based on a skill other than math.

[Ph30nix]

i just hope they post the winners of the "assist" reward so we all know to TK them on site or disconnect from any game we see them in to screw the over... (not that i would do that but im pissy and alittle drunk righy now so... i actualy might)

[EvilCow]

The positive aspect of those tournaments is that they give me a good reason for a MWO-free weekend. The game would be too addicting otherwise.

[Sporklift]

They should consider segregating the people who are participating from the people who just want to play. Make it a game mode "Tourney of the Month" and let people be dumb somewhere else.

[The Legendary Samurai]

Here's what I suggested in my feedback post about how tournaments should be done:

One possible way to do it is to take average match score over a certain period of time, with a minimum of say 30 matches played. So, for example, if one player has amazing success over the course of 30 matches during a weekend tournament, that player can stop and stay at the top of the leaderboard. Other players who haven't done so well in their first 30 matches have the option to keep playing and try to shift their average up over time, so that they can eventually overtake the leader.

[LordRush]

IMO...Until they add Deathmatch and the ability to que with whom you want, there will never be a tournament based on Skill

[Moromillas]

Good thing the thread title has nothing but constructive criticism in it. Otherwise Piranha won't even look at it. Yep, all bases covered.

>_>

[Dawnthieve]

Moromillas, on 10 March 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Good thing the thread title has nothing but constructive criticism in it. Otherwise Piranha won't even look at it. Yep, all bases covered.

>_>

PGI won't look at it at all, because their game is perfect so no criticism needed. Every attempt can only be bigotry and therefore will the felons be either ignored or exiled. BROtzel anyone?

Edited by Dawnthieve, 10 March 2013 - 01:40 AM.

[Sifright]

Tickdoff Tank, on 09 March 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

Sounds like they are not very smart. If they all die that fast then they will not be getting any assists.

sounds like you dont understand how assists work.

All they have to do is 1 damage to an enemy mech and they get an assist when it dies.