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[Hammerhai]

I have played slightly more than 300 games and I am now starting to "get it" - a bit. MM3 and state rewind helped a lot.
But I get so scared the doomsayers might be right, and this game might be bleeding to death behind the scenes, because I can now see what it COULD be.

But what I have noticed: There is a dear friend of mine, almost 40 and a passionate gamer:
He grew up with online gaming, it is his mainstay for recreation

BUT he likes camping. He is UTTERLY competitive and hates losing
His K/D stat is everything and then some to him
He is utterly impatient and loves the "quick fix"
I have tried to get him to play - no dice. I have to say I have not tried to sugarcoat MWO, without breaking it down.
IS that the typical young ish professional 90-s generation gamer that I assume is the 2nd wave of gamers?
That this game now needs?
The attention span of a midget on steroids, guys.
SO how do we get guys like this to play and stay?

[Windies]

Lyrik, on 12 March 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:

Sorry, that would be a stupid idea.

I don't know that what's your problem with the maps of MWO (except that there too few) but I found them well crafted. Different terrain, lots of buildings, dropships, ships, hills etc...

Ok Alpine is a a little bit empty but they couldn't fill such a huge map with a lot of buildings without making the game unplayable for the gamers with old PC's.

Obviously there would have to be some sort of QC on the community made maps, however I think it's far from a stupid idea. It takes a seemingly large burden off PGI since it takes them almost 3 months to get a map out the door. It keeps us in fresh map content at little cost or time to PGI.

[valkyrie]

Hammerhai, on 12 March 2013 - 02:51 AM, said:

I have played slightly more than 300 games and I am now starting to "get it" - a bit. MM3 and state rewind helped a lot.
But I get so scared the doomsayers might be right, and this game might be bleeding to death behind the scenes, because I can now see what it COULD be.

But what I have noticed: There is a dear friend of mine, almost 40 and a passionate gamer:
He grew up with online gaming, it is his mainstay for recreation

BUT he likes camping. He is UTTERLY competitive and hates losing
His K/D stat is everything and then some to him
He is utterly impatient and loves the "quick fix"
I have tried to get him to play - no dice. I have to say I have not tried to sugarcoat MWO, without breaking it down.
IS that the typical young ish professional 90-s generation gamer that I assume is the 2nd wave of gamers?
That this game now needs?
The attention span of a midget on steroids, guys.
SO how do we get guys like this to play and stay?

Not everyone from that "second wave" is going to be like that. Any given game will have it's share of players who come in, play some, and leave right after. The issue here is getting more players in the pipe. Even assuming a 30% retention rate, PGI will be getting a lot more if they can reach 1000 potential players than just 500.

People like the person you mentioned probably won't stay around. They're not likely to stay around in most F2P games either. The trick isn't to try and sugarcoat MWO as much as possible for him, it's to get the interest of the next guy in line who may have heard about the game in passing but doesn't know enough about it or doesn't have the incentive (read: doesn't want to grind 25 games for his first 'Mech) to find out it's enjoyable to him. Promotional stuff lowers the barrier to entry, and that's what PGI should be focusing on to get new players. The Cadet bonus lowered that barrier, but it's still not nearly enough.

[Mal]

valkyrie, on 09 March 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

Author's Note: This isn't a jab at Garth - having been a Community Moderator myself I know how hard his job is. This is about spreading the word about MWO/MWT as a whole.

"Community Moderator" is not very comparable to a Community Manager...


MWO will be at PAX, and GDC, I haven't heard anything beyond those two, yet, for the year.



edit: cleaned up my wording some, so it didn't sound as antagonistic.

Edited by Mal, 12 March 2013 - 07:13 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Wounded Slug, on 10 March 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

I'm an EVE player myself, I know exactly what happened, but this isn't an EVE forum or thread so I'll stop as to avoid going off topic.

Yeah so am I so do I, and its right there on Youtube for people to judge for themselves

[MoonUnitBeta]

I don't really want MWO going out so much right now. What they got is good, but it's incomplete. I think once the new user experience is fine-tuned and implemented and UI 2.0 arrives, I am hoping that they don't expose it to too much sunlight right now...
That's me though.. I dunno. I'd like to see it get better before they start pushing it out into the world though.

[CMGrendel]

I can tell you for a fact that less than 20% of players come back once they've played a game, even if you email them and give them free stuff. So PGI's approach makes sense.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

MoonUnitBeta, on 12 March 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

I don't really want MWO going out so much right now. What they got is good, but it's incomplete. I think once the new user experience is fine-tuned and implemented and UI 2.0 arrives, I am hoping that they don't expose it to too much sunlight right now...
That's me though.. I dunno. I'd like to see it get better before they start pushing it out into the world though.

Then again, this is a F2P so its OB WAS them "pushing it to the world"
Ofc its beta so theyre protected from reviewers though

[valkyrie]

Mal, on 12 March 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

"Community Moderator" is not very comparable to a Community Manager...

So? Considering what I put up with as a Moderator (for a major company, not just policing some little fan forum), I can only imagine the level of stress the guy above me had to put up with on a daily basis. It's why I typically give Garth a free pass on most things. Paul and the others? Fair game.

[Chavette]

valkyrie, on 09 March 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

And having a larger sample size to draw from when you're looking for issues with your game is bad because...?

Because most people give one game one chance.

/thread

[Insidious Johnson]

Coulda sworn IGP blew all the founders sales money on back bacon and bad beer instead of hiring the needed staff to meet this games production schedules. How could they finance marketing after such a squander? Poor PGI, hitching their wagon to an anchor instead of a star.

[Vapor Trail]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 10 March 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

I can post the video but itll get deleted when the Goons report it but it SHOWS thats what happened.
Google it its not hard to find

Hell "eve cyberbully" brings it right up

OT. Trying to not hijack the thread. Ignore if reading for the OP topic.

Spoiler

Looked it up. Watched it.

Holy cripes.

Direct quote:
“Incidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name is…[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.”

When someone manages to make a company that they don't even work for issue a press release disavowing their actions, they've managed to do something that would have landed them, and the contents of their desk, on the street without the benefit of the use of a door, had they been an employee.

"Go home. We'll mail you your pink slip."

His initial response was apparently something along the lines of:
I was drunk and partying. It's expected there. Deal.

And this man was a representative of the community, elected by 10,000+ of his peers. If he was the public face of the community, I shudder to think what the community as a whole is like.


He's since apologized (public and personally) been banned for a month (this apparently happened early last year), but still. This kind of thing should never have happened.

[valkyrie]

Chavette, on 12 March 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Because most people give one game one chance.

/thread

And how many of those wouldn't have played at all otherwise? Can you say for certain? For every one who leaves, how many stay, who otherwise would've never known?

Understand this - my whole point with this thread is that if we keep ignoring pressing issues because we're waiting for community warfare, we'll never get there. PGI needs to buckle down, fix the game they have now rather than working on something that they might never be able to afford to make, and start getting people in NOW, on the core gameplay once they've fixed the most pressing issues. If/when CW finally hits, it'll be all the sweeter for it.

Edited by valkyrie, 12 March 2013 - 08:27 PM.

[valkyrie]

https://mwomercs.com/redeem

Victory?

[Hungry Hungry Hobo]

All I know is this thread makes me sad.

[Pando]

Insidious Johnson, on 12 March 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

Coulda sworn IGP blew all the founders sales money on back bacon and bad beer instead of hiring the needed staff to meet this games production schedules. How could they finance marketing after such a squander? Poor PGI, hitching their wagon to an anchor instead of a star.

I have had this feeling too. However, that will be all subject to change IF PGI/IGP handle the "Clan" factions well in the communitys eyes.

I'm dissappointed I've not seen "updates" spread across house forums in the form of "important names" from each faction, on what is happening. No teasers across facebook which is an incredible medium for media IMO. Nothing.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Im seeing mechwarrior tactics ads everywhere I used to see this game's ads

[Cest7]

PR pushes were Closed beta release and Open beta release.

Next PR push will probably be CW. The game is still very unfinished.