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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Oy of MidWorld, on 11 March 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Determining the worth of a player or mech by the amount of damage done is idiocy. High damage may also just indicate that a player was shooting all over other people's armor inefficiently. Aimed ballistics and laser might make more of a difference than a lot of scattered missile damage.

Ask yourself if you made a difference. Other people can rarely judge that. I've rarely seen an LRM Atlas who was worth anything, but did i really have all the evidence? So i kept my mouth shut.


That's a perfect example for my first sentence.

high damage apparently also might mean they got lucky and got an ammo explosion on someone. Something they might not get the chance to pull off twice

[DrSecretStache]

When I see that I, in my ERPPC Commando, did more damage than some of the assault mechs (in some cases all of them), I have to laugh inside, then cry a little deeper inside. But mostly laugh. There's a lot of horrible pilots in assaults, so I find it hypocritical to judge light pilots by damage as well. Honestly, go out there and have fun, and help the team while yer at it. That's really the best you can do for your team.

[BlackBeltJones]

MadPanda, on 11 March 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Why are these threads popping up. I don't see any bad language in games. In fact hardly anyone chats during the games. I must think if you are getting flamed at, you must have started it by talking some crap first yourself.

This is the most unsound and ridiculous 'logic' I have ever seen used before.

[Shismar]

Spider is a rather bad mech, not much you can do as a player about that. If you still like driving it, just ignore those comments. chances are they are bad players that are sitting on something with a lot of boom. Which does not mean they do more for the team than you do.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Zoughtbaj, on 11 March 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

When I see that I, in my ERPPC Commando, did more damage than some of the assault mechs (in some cases all of them), I have to laugh inside, then cry a little deeper inside. But mostly laugh. There's a lot of horrible pilots in assaults, so I find it hypocritical to judge light pilots by damage as well. Honestly, go out there and have fun, and help the team while yer at it. That's really the best you can do for your team.

thats also a stupid rationale.
There are a lotta LRM pilots in Assaults.
Facehugging Assaults in a Commando that they cant shoot because the game is flawed and doesnt allow them to look down doesnt mean youre better than them it means the game is flawed. When taking the higher ground is a liability because your mech cant bend down far enough to fire down a hill, thats a FLAW


How many times have you seen this statement:
"LRMs arent meant to be kill weapons theyre meant to be support"

Theyre MEANT to support friendlies AND SUPPRESS the enemy. Suppressive fire is meant to make the enemy keep their collective heads down, not necessarily to hit. Just to keep them in cover so that theyre stationary enough to be flanked and destroyed.

Prolly wasting my time even writing this though

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Suppression is the act of forcing an enemy to break off an attack by using high volumes of gunfire. When the enemy is concerned mainly with their own survival, their combat effectiveness and morale is greatly reduced.


Suppression can be used to fix enemies while nearby teammates go around the side flanking them. In terms of the Four Fs doctrine, this is the second "F" (the others being find, Flank, and Finish).

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 11 March 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[Nidhoggr]

Not every game is filled with insults, remember that. Some people are just overly emotional. Or perhaps "too digitally invested" would be a better way to phrase it. Now in regards to the spider, lord do I remember enduring defeat after defeat in the K and V just to get the D to elite. The life of the spider pilot can be pretty rough. My only suggestion is that if you are intending to play the role of the scout instead of the damage dealer, then just be sure to have a strong scout build -- include tag on your mech. JJs + ECM + tag + speed + ridiculously tiny size make the 5D the best scout mech currently available. On the other hand, if you are actually hoping for your damage level to be over 9000, then you have the wrong mech. Sell it and buy an A1.

[Sheraf]

DrunkDrivin, on 11 March 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

Can someone explain why I get insulted, swore at, degraded or talked to in a way that is sub human even If I am fulfilling my role? I recently discovered the awesomeness that is the spider and was getting barked at because I was not scoring obscene damage. It didnt help that the commentary was coming from an ecm atlas who was actively running away from the front line to fire lrm's.


So my question is, how much damage is a spider supposed to do during a match?

You are expect to do damage of an Assault mech

Kidding

Damage is not something important for light mech, as long as you do the scouting good, and survive, then flank the enemies when needed, you are good

[INSEkT L0GIC]

When I get 3-4 kills in a match it is usually around 150 damage per match. High damage just means your shots aren't hitting the same location all the time.

[MadPanda]

BlackBeltJones, on 11 March 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

This is the most unsound and ridiculous 'logic' I have ever seen used before.

As opposed to the OP's logic: "I played a game, everybody flamed me", right? Thanks for your useless input.

[Adrian Steel]

Haegir, on 11 March 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

If you don't do upwards of 350 damage a game you are a wasted spot on the team. No more sugar coating it. If you want to pull your weight do at least 350 damage and kill someone before you die. If not, you deserve to be degraded by the team.

By that logic, you should really be degrading PGI for making bad mechs. I did. Then I was threatened by the mods.

[Ialti]

MadPanda, on 11 March 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Why are these threads popping up. I don't see any bad language in games. In fact hardly anyone chats during the games. I must think if you are getting flamed at, you must have started it by talking some crap first yourself.

Maybe I'm just unlucky, but I find myself in lots of games chalked full of profanity whether I talk or not. Usually it's in good humor, sometimes it's venomous, but it's definitely there.

Vassago Rain, on 11 March 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

There really isn't, though.

But there really is.

[Adrian Steel]

Wrenchfarm, on 11 March 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

You'll never convince people that you're wicked scouting and jetting somehow was more useful than the beast of the 3L.

Of course not. There's no other ECM assault mech that tanks as much as an Atlas and goes above 100kph.

[Scraper]

I CAN get 300+ dmg easily in every Spider variant, when I do I am NOT generally hunting other lights nor scouting. However I get distracted and go for kills or scout rush without thinking sometimes. I play the worst in my 5D, but when I play it right I provide ECM for my team as it's worthless on myself.

[DrSecretStache]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 11 March 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

thats also a stupid rationale.
There are a lotta LRM pilots in Assaults.
Facehugging Assaults in a Commando that they cant shoot because the game is flawed and doesnt allow them to look down doesnt mean youre better than them it means the game is flawed. When taking the higher ground is a liability because your mech cant bend down far enough to fire down a hill, thats a FLAW


How many times have you seen this statement:
"LRMs arent meant to be kill weapons theyre meant to be support"

Theyre MEANT to support friendlies AND SUPPRESS the enemy. Suppressive fire is meant to make the enemy keep their collective heads down, not necessarily to hit. Just to keep them in cover so that theyre stationary enough to be flanked and destroyed.

Prolly wasting my time even writing this though

Your words are not wasted. I don't facehug assault pilots...I prefer sniping them, then zipping back behind cover. I usually only ever close in if it's a lone mech, and even then, trust me, it's probably from being around when knockdowns were in, but I stay a fair distance away even when I'm brawling with the PPC (which is quite difficult, mind you)

And I'm not talking about facehugging lrm assaults. I'm talking assaults that are on my own team, fitted out for brawling, that do less damage then me. as in, under 200. I've seen it lots of times before. I've literally been on the top of the damage chain with my silly little commando (I don't pilot it as much as I used to, however.)

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand what you're saying. I've used lrms in my awesome, and didn't have much luck with it damage wise, despite knowing that it was freaking out the enemy team. Just never liked the playstyle. I think you just mistook what I was saying.

[The Last Blade]

You picked a spider instead of the raven with ECM. This is your problem. It's not based on skill, it's game mechanics. Don't take it hard because it's not your fault the game is made this way.

[Carrioncrows]

If I see someone using streaks i have a bad tendency to unleash a torrent of negativity towards them and the horse the rode in on.

*shrug*

But i've never got mad at someone for doing too little damage, some are new to the game some are just having a bad day. I enjoy seeing all types of mechs on the battlefield.

What I don't enjoy is the same cookie cutter mess.

But people are welcome to play what they like.

However there is no excuse for using streaks, so don't be surprised if your verbally assaulted for doing so.

We have standards.

[Vlad Ward]

Terror Teddy, on 11 March 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Yea right. 4 ballistic point spider wiht center torso energy slot? And they want it to do as much damage as a X6 ML jenner?

In that case they are delusional. Well, it would work if the MG's did 2-3DPS as they should.

Not to mention that Capturing, scouting and simplay ASSISTING should be more rewarded the lighter the mech as their damage output is usually lower.

The only reason damage is premiered is due to limited mission design with few options.

And this is why Spiders are terrible.

Jenners can do literally everything Spiders can do, including jump up to high places, use TAG, and "distract enemies", while mounting 500 bajillion times the weapons and armor and going the exact same speed.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 11 March 2013 - 04:24 PM.

[DrSecretStache]

Jackson Jax Teller, on 11 March 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

and Ive gotten under 200 in a brawler Assault but that was due to getting 1 or 2 shot by a splatcat or headshot by K2s

Yup. Had those matches too. Even a gauss cataphract dies easily to concentrated fire

Still, just goes to show that when people criticize others for doing low damage, there isn't much justification for it, as those situations can happen randomly.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Carrioncrows, on 11 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

I enjoy seeing all types of mechs on the battlefield.

unless they use streaks eh? lol

[Esplodin]

Vlad Ward, on 11 March 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

And this is why Spiders are terrible. Jenners can do literally everything Spiders can do, including jump up to high places, use TAG, and "distract enemies", while mounting 500 bajillion times the weapons and armor and going the exact same speed.

I can work a Spider pretty good, and though that I'd like to try a Jenner. "What is a Jenner but a Spider with more weapons?" I thought to myself. Then I realized I HATED the cockpit (I run at 85 fov) and had TERRIBLE sitational awareness in it. Sure I was putting out numbers like my Spider plus some after a couple matches getting use to the quirks, but I just could not get into the mech enough to enjoy myself. Besides, if I wanted to be a damage king I'd just jump into my cravin and tank. I feel dirty when I do though, so I guess I'll stick with Spiders.