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[Yokaiko]

Ok so why did a player (again) find a game breaking but(again).

This isn't the first time, double heatsinks being singles in the engine...found by a player
The 1.4 being double in the engine...found by a player (we meant to do that)
Artemis...need I say more.

My patience is running thin

[Eddy Hawkins]

well, at least for the splash damage issue, i for one have felt that missiles have been doing more damage than intended, however there was no way to prove it, and i just assumed the splash was caused from missiles landing on different parts of my mech. turns out i was not alone in my suspicion, but it was not until we got training grounds (bugged as i may be atm) that the community was able to conduct testing in a controlled environment.

the testing done by all these players, originally done for SRM and SSRM damage, have opened a whole flood of issues. LRMs doing more damage and documented Raven 3L hit box issues to name a few. Heck in some ways it explains all the 3L hate because, as it turns out its SSRMs are (in some cases) doing 800% more damage.

#1[color="#b27204"]Amaris the Usurper[/color] needs to be given a job at PGI, this guy has started the ball rolling on SRM, SSRM, LRM, and possably 3L balance changes... which is what the community complanes about all the time.

oh and the Devs explnation, was that when splash was implmented, the mechs had simplier hit boxes vs the ones we are seeing now, not sure if i buy that because Jenners are taking more damage then they should be. but they keep trying to fix LRMs, we have had what four changes to them? That shows me that PGI saw an issue and was trying to fix it. However, it seems that the root problem has been the splash damage all along and once that gets fixed, things should start balancing out correctly

Edited by Eddy Hawkins, 16 March 2013 - 06:30 AM.

[Oni Ralas]

LRM's are fine, splash dmg isn't (coming from an LRM centric pilot). ECM is broken, but I'm hopeful we'll see changes.

Anyone who claims they haven't died to LRM either

1) Gets dropped long before they become primary
2) Runs ECM

Seriously. Half the people int his thread I've ever run or against - all of whom have eaten the steel rain from Oni's launchers at some point.

[Yokaiko]

Oni Ralas, on 16 March 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

LRM's are fine, splash dmg isn't (coming from an LRM centric pilot). ECM is broken, but I'm hopeful we'll see changes.

Anyone who claims they haven't died to LRM either

1) Gets dropped long before they become primary
2) Runs ECM

Seriously. Half the people int his thread I've ever run or against - all of whom have eaten the steel rain from Oni's launchers at some point.

I'm seeing LRM ravens today.

That tells me LRM is most certainly broken.

[Eddy Hawkins]

Oni Ralas, on 16 March 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

LRM's are fine, splash dmg isn't (coming from an LRM centric pilot). ECM is broken, but I'm hopeful we'll see changes.

Anyone who claims they haven't died to LRM either

1) Gets dropped long before they become primary
2) Runs ECM

Seriously. Half the people int his thread I've ever run or against - all of whom have eaten the steel rain from Oni's launchers at some point.

If LRMs are fine, why are the Devs taking out splash damage?

http://mwomercs.com/...77#entry2064277

all Missiles are doing, in some cases, more damage than intended, in some cases 800% more. There is a post in the patch feedback section. Click, read, and be enlightened.

the thing has 27,000+ views and 600+ posts:

http://mwomercs.com/...ted-2013-03-15/

[Comguard]

Gold Defense force for the rescue?

I use LRMs a lot and I've seen a change, too. They concentrate too much on center torso. You can even see the difference when you observe the flightpath. It doesn't even make a difference if it is a large mech or a small mech, when I shoot LRMs at lights they suddenly get cored where before their whole armor would have been damaged and some missiles just impact around them because of weapon spread.

[Noobzorz]

Boymonkey, on 16 March 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

Oh well how sad.
Running a X5 with no AMS and I do just fine, check where the LRMs are coming from, dodge them or hide in cover, move up behind and core them....simple really.
Adapt dude adapt.

Light mechs do not have the LRM problem. You can literally outrun them.

Try using a heavy or assault without ECM (don't bother with AMS; no one is running it these days so you don't get the AMS battalions of yore).

[Yokaiko]

Comguard, on 16 March 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

Gold Defense force for the rescue?

I use LRMs a lot and I've seen a change, too. They concentrate too much on center torso. You can even see the difference when you observe the flightpath. It doesn't even make a difference if it is a large mech or a small mech, when I shoot LRMs at lights they suddenly get cored where before their whole armor would have been damaged and some missiles just impact around them because of weapon spread.

Gold defense force is about to say the hell with it.

[Eddy Hawkins]

well now that the Devs know splash is the issue, mabye we will get a fix, insted of a workaround

[Drenzul]

Eddy Hawkins, on 16 March 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

there are over 600 posts in that thread, and more then a few have players posting vids and numbers showing that missles are doing more damage, even in live games.

i dont expect anyone to read all 600 of them, but at least try to read some, you dont get 27000 views in less then three days over somthing that is not true

According to the numbers posted, LRMs are actually do less damage than expected in live games against bigger mechs,

Oh and as for things that aren't true getting lots of views, I have two words for you....
"Fox News"

[Yokaiko]

Eddy Hawkins, on 16 March 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

well now that the Devs know splash is the issue, mabye we will get a fix, insted of a workaround

Yeah they said April 2nd !

[armyof1]

Yokaiko, on 16 March 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

Yeah they said April 2nd !

It won't be fixed on April 2nd, it'll take that long to just remove the splash damage. Yep, sure surprised me too.

[Training Instructor]

This should be a hotfix level of priority, not something they'll get around to in April. I was wondering why my stalker had more problems after the patch. Usually I could shrug off a salvo of LRMs while making my break from cover to cover, but I was getting absolutely rocked from 40 missiles.

So now I'm running around in my Spider 5D, 9000 xp away from Mastering it. 20 days of premium time left, out of MC, and not planning on buying more.

I had a thread locked where the moderator reminded me that degrading the experience of other players was prohibited. Maybe PGI should follow their own rules with that one, because some of the stuff in this game right now significantly degrades the player experience. LRMS and SRMS that do too much damage, Streaks+ECM+target Decay mod+Raven 3L, and several other minor issues.

[Mazzyplz]

Boymonkey, on 16 March 2013 - 05:42 AM, said:

I take it your name calling is aimed my way.....nice.
Before my X5 I have piloted a Atlas and a Cat and the same applies for them, either hide or get AMS. Only ***** players will get caught in the open you in that team? seems like it.

nice little insult you got there, only saw asterisks though - the statement you made is downright moronic. and i know you're just parroting it mindlessly.
there's a myriad ways that even a great pilot can be killed by lrm, in particular if there's a bunch of boats on the other team, if it's such a bad weapon then a team of 8 lrm boats would be obliterated 8-0 every time huh? or how about 16 players all with LRM, i guess nobody dies?? everyone is alive at the end of the clock? LOL.

it's a weapon that can catch you by surprise if you're slow, and if it misses you can launch another couple of hundred of them.
ams doesn't work, i guess that was a joke on your part

Edited by Mazzyplz, 16 March 2013 - 06:56 AM.

[Eddy Hawkins]

Drenzul, on 16 March 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

According to the numbers posted, LRMs are actually do less damage than expected in live games against bigger mechs,

Oh and as for things that aren't true getting lots of views, I have two words for you....
"Fox News"

one of my earlier posts i stated that in SOME cases they are doing more, such as when fired at a Jenner.

and dont bring RL politicts into MWO. you want to talk about FOX or MSNBC, go to a Yahoo! forum or your FB page.

[Livewyr]

Gold defense force optimism has run dry.

In "Wait-and-see" (stand-by) mode.

[Yokaiko]

armyof1, on 16 March 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

It won't be fixed on April 2nd, it'll take that long to just remove the splash damage. Yep, sure surprised me too.

Exactly, that statement on its own was rather......faith shaking.

[Eddy Hawkins]

Training Instructor, on 16 March 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

This should be a hotfix level of priority, not something they'll get around to in April. I was wondering why my stalker had more problems after the patch. Usually I could shrug off a salvo of LRMs while making my break from cover to cover, but I was getting absolutely rocked from 40 missiles.

So now I'm running around in my Spider 5D, 9000 xp away from Mastering it. 20 days of premium time left, out of MC, and not planning on buying more.

I had a thread locked where the moderator reminded me that degrading the experience of other players was prohibited. Maybe PGI should follow their own rules with that one, because some of the stuff in this game right now significantly degrades the player experience. LRMS and SRMS that do too much damage, Streaks+ECM+target Decay mod+Raven 3L, and several other minor issues.

seeing as the SRM topic was started less than three days ago, i think PGI is moving rather quickly. they are most likley doing other things then just removing splash, mabye tuning missle damage? reguardless, my point is that they are moving quickly to the attention of the community.

i cant recall other games where devs responded as fast, usaly things like this take months to be addressed, and we got two weeks. now i know they are not fixing it, just removing it, but it is somthing.

PGI takes our issues seriously, to me at least. they probly all sit around and talk about "what are the fourms complaning about and how can we fix it?" Lag shield - PUG stomps - LRMs - ECM, all things that we have b*tched about and they have fixed or are trying to fix.

try to give them some credit and besides, this game is still in beta and as testers this what we are supost to be going throu, finding issues before the game goes live.

[Drenzul]

Eddy Hawkins, on 16 March 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

one of my earlier posts i stated that in SOME cases they are doing more, such as when fired at a Jenner.

and dont bring RL politicts into MWO. you want to talk about FOX or MSNBC, go to a Yahoo! forum or your FB page.

Its nothing to do with politics, you claimed if it wasn't true it wouldn't get lots of views.
Fox news proves otherwise, they have been proven wrong multiple times and still get millions of view. Views mean nothing.

And I was addressing the person saying they were 2-3 times damage, which is incorrect and a training grounds bug.

[FupDup]

Mazzyplz, on 16 March 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

i find it hilarious that light mech pilots are so out of it they say:
i pilot an X5, you must be dodging missiles wrong in your assault mech!!!!

no you dimwit, slower mechs are much more vulnerable to it...
and yes lrms were made a little too powerful last patch, they're gonna fix it afaik

X-5 is a medium.

Edited by FupDup, 16 March 2013 - 07:25 AM.