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[BillyM]

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2076541

Matthew Craig, on 18 March 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Raven hit-box is being adjusted in tomorrow's patch we will be monitoring to see how the change impacts the overall effectiveness of the Raven.

MY LAZERS JUST FIRED OFF PREMATURELY! YES PLEASE!

Well done PGI, but you could have posted something a little less 7th page down on a 2-week old topic.

--billyM

[bloodnor]

as a 3L pilot i say yes i have always loved it adapt or die

[FrostCollar]

You're missing an option: "Yes (I own/run Ravens)."

[Sayyid]

Biased poll.

[Budor]

I would have been more happy with a removement of splash dmg in tomorrows patch

[Gaan Cathal]

bloodnor, on 18 March 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

as a 3L pilot i say yes i have always loved it adapt or die

FrostCollar, on 18 March 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

You're missing an option: "Yes (I own/run Ravens)."

These. I cannot currently vote in your poll.

[Mechkilla]

Ravens are not that hard to destroy. It's the broken streaks with their multiple splash damage in combination with ECM against small scouts that should be the ones that hunt ravens down.

I don't own one and I have rarely used streaks. But when I drove a light and have to face one or more 3Ls with streaks then there is no fun anymore. But I killed many of them so it's not everytime a bad experience when I see them .

PGI will remove splash damage from streaks on the patch in april. For this patch it is already too late to do something.

[BillyM]

The poll is something more of a joke, but if you want to get specific, the "YES" option does not specify that you do not own a 3L...

This was more to make people aware of a hidden Dev post that may fix one of the biggest inequalities in the game. Again, I am not asking them to make changes (that song has been sung repeatedly over the last months) but pointing out THEY HAVE MADE CHANGES THAT TAKE EFFECT TOMORROW!

GO DEVS!

--billyM

Edited by BillyM, 18 March 2013 - 12:23 PM.

[Tennex]

it wont make much of a difference. lol the issue isn't really the relative size of LT/RT CT hitboxes. because all of those are small.

even if the sizes are changed relative to eachother, no mater where you hit the raven if its on the torso you are goign to hurt it.

3Ls run XL engines. both the CT, LT/RT are critical targets. in fact the side torsos are better targets than the CT. since the raven's torso is 2/3 side torso statistically you have a higher chance of coring its XL engine, than firing at the (already small) CT direct.

so logically a smaller side torso and bigger center torso will make the raven harder to kill. but even that will be negligible

this change will see negligible change in powerlevel of ravens.

the main issue is ECM. and ECM/bugged sSRM interaction

also note that raven was never OP before ECM was implemented. The hitbox issues is just an afterthought to the actual issue.

Edited by Tennex, 18 March 2013 - 06:39 PM.

[Tehtos]

Do you mean the hit boxes as shown in the guide forum? Because the display in the guide seemed pretty accurate to me. See how the "cheeks" are part of the orange LT and RT? That's pretty much how the Stalker is set up, too. Actually, the Stalker is even worse--be glad Stalkers can't move 120+ kph and carry ecm.

http://mwomercs.com/...x-localisation/

[Gaan Cathal]

Tennex, on 18 March 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

it wont make much of a difference. lol the issue isn't really the relative size of LT/RT CT hitboxes. because all of those are small.

even if the sizes are changed relative to eachother, no mater where you hit the raven if its on the torso you are goign to hurt it.

3Ls run XL engines. both the CT, LT/RT are critical targets. in fact the LT/RT are better targets than the CT. since the raven's torso is 2/3 side torso statistically you have a higher chance of coring its XL engine, than firing at the CT direct.


the main issue is ECM.

Logic sailed on this topic a long time ago. Either:

a: There is a bug with hitreg on the Raven, which is being fixed
or
b: They're adjusting the hitboxes, people will be happy for ten minutes, and they will nuke my XL less often

People hate fast, hard-to-hit enemies in games, especially PVP ones. They also hate 'crowd control' (like ECM) being applied to them. The Raven is the current Apex Light and has CC. The rage is inevitable.

[BillyM]

When you shoot a Stalker in the side of the nose, the side torso pops, then you have free-run of the center torso.

I run direct fire ML/SRM mediums, so ECM/noECM dies the same to me. Spi, Com, Cic all take their licks...

...but the raven? Better leg that sucker, otherwise your shots are going to warp right through it's stupid nose and do nearly no damage. Something about the way the cocktpit/CT/ST meet makes a damage black-hole that hopefully will be resolved somewhat tomorrow!

--billyM

[Tennex]

Gaan Cathal, on 18 March 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

Logic sailed on this topic a long time ago. Either:

a: There is a bug with hitreg on the Raven, which is being fixed
or
b: They're adjusting the hitboxes, people will be happy for ten minutes, and they will nuke my XL less often

People hate fast, hard-to-hit enemies in games, especially PVP ones. They also hate 'crowd control' (like ECM) being applied to them. The Raven is the current Apex Light and has CC. The rage is inevitable.

i don't mind the change. it would make the XLs harder to hit. right now i get cored through side torsos way more than i CT.

[BillyM]

...the problem is you were only cored through the side-torso after taking 500pts of damage with 2/3rds of it disappearing into your magical damage black-hole. Nice attempt at playing off the positive change as being worthless though... Enjoy your nerf.

Make it a mini-catapult for all I care, where everyone knows it runs XL's yet you still just smack it on the nose like a bad-dog and it goes down. ...just as long as we can hit it and it take damage SOMEWHERE...

--billyM

Edited by BillyM, 18 March 2013 - 12:56 PM.

[boomboom517]

er lasers to the legs from 1k away works every time

[Tehtos]

Tennex, on 18 March 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

i don't mind the change. it would make the XLs harder to hit. right now i get cored through side torsos way more than i CT.

Yup, I've moved most of the armor from the side torsos from the rear to the front. The front side torsos are so large and the rear side torsos are so small. I've even played around with using a std engine, but 100kph feels too slow, and the hard points are too lopsided.

A hit box adjustment--which makes the side torsos more like the Catapault rather than the Stalker--will make the XL engine much more safe.

[BillyM]

Side torso more safe, center torso less safe (ask the Jenners about this one). ...always a trade-off, and if it includes actually being able to apply damage to a Raven like you can any other mech, then I am ALLLLL for it.

...and you talk as if any decent Raven didn't already run a XL. Keep it going guys, I'm loving the thinly-veiled tears of unfathomable sadness.

GO DEVS!

(Vote currently sits at 60:6 in favor...)

--billyM

Edited by BillyM, 18 March 2013 - 01:20 PM.

[p00k]

and then we realize, pgi decided to adjust the raven's hitbox by simply removing them. all shots simply pass harmlessly through them. the end.

[Chavette]

I agree, why do we have to make a 7 page thread, and go on with it for 2 weeks to get a damn response about something already coming in the next patch?

[M4rtyr]

Id don't care either way unless there was something about their hitboxes that was bugged so not imparting full damage.

But since I don't know of anything wrong witht he Raven other then the perfect loadout it doesn't matter to me, they'll still be the most effective light until ECM and Streaks get adjusted.