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[Viper Centurion]

kiltymonroe, on 19 March 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

Next you should write a thread about the infeasibility of giant robots at all. 'Mechs are OP, remove them please.

Hey dev, you heard about this "MECH IS OP" PLEASE REMOVE EM

[Vasces Diablo]

Dr Killinger, on 19 March 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

I'm not for coolant at all, but I'm willing to give it a try. I'm hoping it's just a tiny little bump, as opposed to the massive truckloads of coolant we all remember from previous MW games.

1. I agree
2. Did you come up with that name your self or are you a Venture Bros fan. Either way, hats off to you good sir.

[Arkmaus]

Syllogy, on 19 March 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

It hasn't even been released yet, so you have no legitimate claim to call it "Broken."

Wait to actually use Coolant, and then explain why it's "broken".

PENALTY

Common sense on the play.

15 yds.

REPEAT THE DOWN

[Stoicblitzer]

There was this great meme pic of the crying girl with a bottle of QQ coolant collecting her tears. I have searched for 20 mins and can't find it. I laughed so hard when I first saw it.

EDIT:

Edited by Stoicblitzer, 19 March 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[Scatterplot]

It's true though, from an engineering perspective the concept makes no sense at all. Coolant facilitates the transfer of heat from components to heatsinks. It's designed to heat up and cool down extremely quickly, so heatsinks can radiate the heat off into the environment quickly.

Dumping coolant or even replacing it with "fresh" coolant would have zero effect on the current heat state of the mech.

[LordBraxton]

I dont really agree with the OP but I HATE HATE HATE the idea of ANY consumables.

[Lyteros]

Just think about it for a minute.

Coolant flush (right now does not matter if p2w or not) allows you an additional alpha, which is very often deciding win / loss. So you invest every game in one to be able to stay competitive. After coolant flush artillery / airstrike / I-win #xyz is gonna be added, all costing spacemoney.
So if you wanna get money, you either stay off these I-win buttons to get money, but you'll have to deal with your increased chance to lose and the reduction in income.

Now you got another option, premium account, due to more income you can get some money and use the I-Win buttons. Or you buy the I-win buttons with MC right from the start.

Either way, its P2W.
It's I-win Button sellout, and this is very very bad style for a multiplayer competitive game. The very bad style that damages it's reputation.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Seems "Cool Shots" act as buff heals to your heat.

If only we could buff heal other mechs armour damage the game will be onto something here!

Next map out called "Warsong Ditch?"

[Mister Haha]

It's a way to make cash. It won't be game-breaking because someone can cool off once or twice. Sheesh.

[B B Wolfe]

n=0. Good luck publishing.

[Vermaxx]

Some previous MW games required a coolant pod. I didn't play any.

Some previous MW games let you do a set number of coolant flushes per mission, without equipment. They removed all heat in the space of a second or two.

Coolant Flush is not realistic. Neither is a one-use fire support device. Why would it be one use? Why would you need multiple "module slots" to carry more of them? Nothing about the system is REALISTIC. For that matter, almost nothing in ALL OF BATTLETECH IS GROUNDED IN REALITY.

Coolant Flush is pathethic. The best one is 21.6 IF both skills stack and IF you're willing to pay 30 THOUSAND GXP. 18 heat is nice, but isn't worth the prices.

[Celyth]

Lawl @ first few posts replying to the OP. Its a matter of how it doesn't MAKE SENSE to flush coolant rather than it BEING BROKEN OP LOLZOR 6PPC STALKER (coincidentally, i have one) GON OWN ME!

NEWAYZ, u pay those cbills for a reserve coolant tank (that doesnt take tonnage or anything too!)...makes enough sense, huehue

[Metalcell]

Stygian Steel, on 19 March 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

i think this post is broken

yes it is

[Exoth3rmic]

"Inappropriate"? Maybe.

"Broken"? Unknown.

[Skyscream Sapphire]

Jesus, I can't even believe I'm perpetuating this nonsense. Are we really talking about the specific physics of coolant systems in GIANT UPRIGHT WALKING, LASER FIRING, NEURAL LINKED, JUMP JETTING, FUSION POWERED SPACE ROBOTS? Is this really the point we are choosing to be picky on? But if you have to explain the physics...:

As OP mentions, the heat system in a mech is obviously some sort of active heat rejection system (i.e. phase changing refrigerant pumped through the the radiators). Want to cool it off quickly? Dump the refrigerant into a reserve container (most of these system designs have a reservoir anyway). Then flush a supercooled liquid (from said cooling pod) into the system. Or to be more precise, a liquid that has a much lower boiling point than the environment's temperature, but is being kept in the liquid state through the pressure exerted on it by it's container (think something along the lines of liquid nitrogen). Let it expand and evaporate. Vent the gas and resume pumping the original coolant. A small amount of the pressurized liquid could have a huge cooling effect while weighing relatively little (certainly nowhere neat 1 ton or even .5) and taking up negligible space (crits).

[Lee Ving]

Syllogy, on 19 March 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

It hasn't even been released yet, so you have no legitimate claim to call it "Broken."

Wait to actually use Coolant, and then explain why it's "broken".

Wait to actually use Heroin, and then explain why it's "bad for you."

Fallacy like woah. The man makes legitimate points; if cooling efficiency isn't reduced, it isn't sensical (in a 31st century world with giant interstellar conflicts that occur on the ground with huge standing targets).

[Larth]

PurpleNinja, on 19 March 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Just like ECM is broken, SRM is broken and everything that kills me is broken.

Ow! Stupid rock, that hurt. Ack, building.
~whoosh~
AAAAAAHHH! ~CrAsH~ *leg goes flying off*
I hate gravity. Gravity is broken, it killed me!


Thanks Purple for giving me that mental image. Quick, lets make a Gravity is broken thread.

[Syllogy]

CutterWolf, on 19 March 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

I see not one of you can even post a response to disprove my point. Instead all you can do is post hate because you know I'm right. So I thank you for proving my point.

The Burden of Proof is on the Accuser.

You are the Accuser. You must provide Proof. Not some ethereal misunderstanding of how you think things should work.

[Chemie]

Post title is wrong. It is not broken. It just has no real world engineering basis. I always thought the concept was stupid (as a chemical engineer).

By coolant flush, it implies you have some reserve of cold coolant just sitting there...but if you did, it would be more efficient to have it running in the system for higher total heat capacity. Saving some cold collant somewhere makes no practical sense. If the OP's idea is true, dumping your hot collant would also not cool things down and would have you running even hotter immediately.

[Rakashan]

CutterWolf, on 19 March 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

I see not one of you can even post a response to disprove my point. Instead all you can do is post hate because you know I'm right. So I thank you for proving my point.

Your point is that something violates your view of the fluff. This matters not in matters of game design. Move along. Nothing to see here.