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[Stone Profit]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 20 March 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

That's bull. They pay people to communicate with us.

They just don't do a very good job of it.

How hard is it for the people they pay to be on the boards to come here, scour the major issues and then in the next staff meeting (I'm hoping they have them at a minimum weekly) say "Hey guys, XYZ seems to really be riling up our player base, what are we doing?".

Then come back and say "Hey guys, we brought up your concerns, they are looking into it".

And of course that requires them actually looking into it. Which they don't do, for example, ECM command chair promised 2 or 3 months ago now.

Thats precisely what they do. Im not sure what data you have that says otherwise. And the Command Chair post will come in due time. For now it is working as intended with tuning incoming. Relax and take a deep breath. Its not the end of the world.

[Whompity]

Pygar, on 20 March 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

I personally do not care about the money aspect- I just care about the balance and fun gameplay.... last night I spent whole matches cowering from missile boats because even with a AMS and max armor the second I stopped hiding it was game over- very not balanced and not fun... even the matches I did kinda good in ended with me wondering what the hell shot me down so fast.

I personally am not going to stand here and contradict you. My (very very limited) experience has been that something IS out of whack and needs tweaking (which it appears will happen).

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Hell yeah frustration is growing, this is the second or third time I have experienced this same issue with the same weapon system...and from the way things sound, they aren't going to hot fix this- they are just going to leave it be for 2 weeks instead.

I also can't comment on what they will and will not do when... if it doesn't happen soon, that is unfortunate. That said, I really don't see how future balance changes can be much different... you change one thing and it affects lots of other things, balance is really hard (broken record, I). If you are frustrated now, you'll likely be more frustrated in the future, I'm sad to say. This game isn't really unique in that regard. The bottom line is:

Do you like this game, warts and all, enough to keep playing it? What if you know not all of the warts will completely disappear?

[Karl Split]

Totally agree with OP.

Anyways back on the omg head hitbox WHY!!!! LRM'S are soo OP. ECM sucks bandwagons.

Ill be in my stalker firing LRM's while watching 300 if you need me.

[Homeless Bill]

They do a lot of things wrong, their communication isn't the best, every patch brings tons of new bugs, and I'm still very pleased with how things are going. As a game developer, I understand how ****** and random some of these problems can be.

I feel like a lot of people here expect everything to be on par with that of a AAA developer. Look at the list of games these guys have done - it's not long, and it's not prestigious. For such a green developer, PGI's doing a great job. Since I've started playing, MWO has seen loads of improvement. We're just starting to get to the fun stuff, too.

The whiners (constructive criticism and whining are two different things) should go play another game for a while; the rest of us can enjoy what's here. Thanks, PGI.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Stone Profit, on 20 March 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

Thats precisely what they do. Im not sure what data you have that says otherwise. And the Command Chair post will come in due time. For now it is working as intended with tuning incoming. Relax and take a deep breath. Its not the end of the world.

Dude I have WAY bigger things to relax and take a deep breath about than this.

Posting on these boards is my escape from real problems. I don't really sweat this stuff.

What gets me posting is when people make excuses when people don't do their jobs. When I don't do my job, I get reprimanded or fired.

They do not communicate well, they completely go against things they've said in the past with no explaination on why the change happened, and I'm sorry, when in your official post asking for players to voice their questions you say "We will be doing a command chair shortly", that does not mean a quarter of a year later.

Edited by Nicholas Carlyle, 20 March 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[Rakashan]

3rdworld, on 20 March 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

That charges money for a lot of the new content.

That is like serving me a free overly salted meal and making me pay for water.

The FFS don't eat it. Your mother is not standing here telling you to clean your plate. You don't like it, don't eat it. Amazingly, there are other people who either *do* like it or who are willing to support the new chef until he gets enough practice with his spices to avoid oversalting things. There's absolutely no requirement that you even come to this restaurant so unless someone employed here fondled your privates while nobody was looking you're better of just going away. And if someone *did* fondle your privates, go to appropriate authorities instead of whining on a forum.

[xDeityx]

Rebas Kradd, on 20 March 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Let me see if I understand correctly...

You

To who are you directing your post?

Rebas Kradd, on 20 March 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

saw a game that was CLEARLY still in its testing phase...still being built, still sorting the bugs out, still going through all the phases that a gamer typically never sees because they take place before release.

You then decided, on your own volition, with no gun to your head, to spend your own hard-earned money on said embryonic game.

And...now you're MAD that the game is unfinished?

Would you throw a poorly-grilled steak at a waiter who had told you beforehand that their grill wasn't working properly?

The bolded statement was true ten years ago. Unfortunately this is no longer how games work. Corporations used to pay people to be beta testers. Then they realized that they could get them to do it for free. Then they realized they could monetize it with the added benefit of not having to actually make a polished product because it could stay in "beta" for years.

[Pygar]

CMGrendel, on 20 March 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

Have to be fair to PGI here. Unless there's been a further update, they're going to hotfix this once they've identified the specific cause of the problem.

In the past, people have accused me of being an apologist for PGI here... I am rapidly losing patience with this because there were already balance issues with missiles and missile boats, and this latest "problem" makes me feel like they are just stabbing in the dark at this point. Missiles in BT/MW are supposed to be a cheap yet unreliable weapon...not dreadfully unstoppable unless your team is packing tons of ECM.

[3rdworld]

MaddMaxx, on 20 March 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

So you feel entitled then? Someone coerced you into spending that money on MWO did they? For everyone who says that, if it were me, I would give them their money and tell them to go away and never come back. The less entitled children around the nicer the playground is for the grown ups.

So asking a game to not be broken, makes me entitled.

Why would you want me to leave? All I am asking is for them to fix a product they are making.

But keep using the word "entitled" in every post, specifically the post where you call people children. It makes you look more mature.

[keith]

its communication. i'm sure they are doing hard work, and i do appreciation it. PGI does lack on some things. lets think of this as a relationship, one can't get done without the other. like the wep balancing they. the heat changes and RoF to acs. did not do much. the wep that were under used are still under used. ac2, ac 5, ac10, the erll. yes they helped them a bit but in this current game meta not the changes to be made. we need a public beta to test wep changes, find bugs. one that does not affect our RL money accounts.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Niko Snow, on 20 March 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

Yo image is broke son.

[Whompity]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 20 March 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

What gets me posting is when people make excuses when people don't do their jobs. When I don't do my job, I get reprimanded or fired.

That analogy keeps coming up, but I believe it to be flawed. We are customers, not employers. And no company can keep ALL of it's customers happy.

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They do not communicate well, they completely go against things they've said in the past with no explaination on why the change happened, and I'm sorry, when in your official post asking for players to voice their questions you say "We will be doing a command chair shortly", that does not mean a quarter of a year later.

Maybe. I understand that you are saying that a lot of what is going on seems irresponsible or frustrating to you. That said, it's not a clear indication that items are being ignored. I've got tons of items in my work queue, and everybody thinks they are priority 1. It just doesn't (can't) happen.

[Kraven Kor]

Pygar, on 20 March 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

NO.

LRMs already were OP and have been for a long time... the fact that the somebody over at PGI was insane enough to o.k. a missile buff when they were already stinky good has me wanting to cut somebodies throat, not cut the devs some slack.

You need to work on your anger issues.

"Someone murdered my family, I am going to kill them." <- Appropriate level of anger.

"Someone made this game slightly less fun or slightly more frustrating, I'm going to kill them." <- Inappropriate level of anger.

Edited by Kraven Kor, 20 March 2013 - 11:29 AM.

[Shumabot]

Yeah, man. Balance is hard. It's a fine edge. They had no way of knowing missiles were doing 12 times the damage they should have been for literally sixth months. They had to wait half a year to give PPCs heat buffs, they were worried that the buffs might make 6PPC stalkers too good. They had to wait one month after that to release coolant, after all, the 6PPC stalker wasn't good enough after the patch!

This stuffs hard, they're doing their best. This stuff isn't hard and they're not doing very well. This post was sarcastic.

Edited by Shumabot, 20 March 2013 - 11:30 AM.

[Stone Profit]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 20 March 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

Dude I have WAY bigger things to relax and take a deep breath about than this.

Posting on these boards is my escape from real problems. I don't really sweat this stuff.

What gets me posting is when people make excuses when people don't do their jobs. When I don't do my job, I get reprimanded or fired.

They do not communicate well, they completely go against things they've said in the past with no explaination on why the change happened, and I'm sorry, when in your official post asking for players to voice their questions you say "We will be doing a command chair shortly", that does not mean a quarter of a year later.

'Shortly" is subjective. "shortly" in geological terms could be ten thousand years from now. "shortly" in game developer terms is "when we feel it is right to do so". And You seem VERY upset about these things. I can only imagine how horrible it is to be you, angry about little stuff on a daily basis, as you say, and probably furious about how your life turned out. But hey, people with no power in their own lives often try to be big "importantly opinioned" people on the interwebs. Good luck with that bro. I pity you.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Olivia Maybach, on 20 March 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

That analogy keeps coming up, but I believe it to be flawed. We are customers, not employers. And no company can keep ALL of it's customers happy.


Maybe. I understand that you are saying that a lot of what is going on seems irresponsible or frustrating to you. That said, it's not a clear indication that items are being ignored. I've got tons of items in my work queue, and everybody thinks they are priority 1. It just doesn't (can't) happen.

Who said anything about me being an employer? I'm saying that whoever is at the top of the food chain at PGI, or maybe I should say IGP (Don't really know who is calling the shots now?), has to be watching things as they unfold and saying "We are really not doing a good job at communicating with our customers, who produce our revenue in our FREE TO PLAY game."

As for the second part, if things on these boards which are generating MASSIVE amounts of traffic and posts aren't high on the list of things to at least make a damn command chair about, then they have their priorities all sorts of messed up.

[Whompity]

keith, on 20 March 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:

we need a public beta to test wep changes, find bugs. one that does not affect our RL money accounts.

As long as new content is getting released, there will be more bugs introduced, and balance issues. If the game were released as one solid chunk and then patched with no new content, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Also, it IS possible to play this game (and enjoy it) totally $-free.

[Jetfire]

Pygar, on 20 March 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

NO.

LRMs already were OP and have been for a long time... the fact that the somebody over at PGI was insane enough to o.k. a missile buff when they were already stinky good has me wanting to cut somebodies throat, not cut the devs some slack.

Fixing a bug, now considered a buff...

[Stoicblitzer]

more importantly, are you really a girl?

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Stone Profit, on 20 March 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

'Shortly" is subjective. "shortly" in geological terms could be ten thousand years from now. "shortly" in game developer terms is "when we feel it is right to do so". And You seem VERY upset about these things. I can only imagine how horrible it is to be you, angry about little stuff on a daily basis, as you say, and probably furious about how your life turned out. But hey, people with no power in their own lives often try to be big "importantly opinioned" people on the interwebs. Good luck with that bro. I pity you.

Really? Geological terms? l...o...l

Is the best you reply you can come up with is to say I'm angry and think I'm some sort of big wig on the boards, you don't really have anything to say.

I suck at this game, my computer doesn't run it well. I know I'm a liability when I enter a match. This game doesn't bother me because I know all of this.

What does bother me, is people who don't do their jobs well and pretend like they do.