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[Wrenchfarm]

I don't want to read through 35 pages, but just in case nobody has mentioned it -

3rd person is a terrible idea.

[MadPanda]

It just hit me. I think they are planning the 3rd person as a buff to the 360 module. Right now it's kinda useless due to the fact that you can't see behind you so the enemy being still locked doesn't help you (helps your allies sure but hey f*** your allies, it's all about you) so now with 3rd person the module is actually somewhat usefull to you.

[N0MAD]

Daisu Saikoro, on 21 March 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

It's like at the beginning of a match, when people watch where others are going and they just blindly (or not so blindly follow).

"Let's follow the 'PUGS'" ...

This thread is outrage based on a snippet of a twitter post that doesn't present the full commentary.

It's the MWO General Forums for the past few moments on crack.

I disagree, alot of vets and players that want the game to suceed have posted here with overall the same message, i think the bigest outrage you see here is the continual going back on their word. That twiter post didnt tell us that they would introduce it at a given stage but obviously their staff knows its in the works, WHEN they told us it never would be,same as the Flushes.
Its a breach of trust and sad to say its AGAIN.

[Syllogy]

QuantumButler, on 21 March 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

Or we can employ Occam's Razor and maybe this is an issue people actually care about, instead of dismissing things you don't agree with as ballot stuffing.

Or we can employ common sense, and stop raving like a lunatic about mechanics that you know nothing about from a point of knowledge, programming, design, or implementation.

[Sifright]

whut is dis turrd peason u be tlakin boot?
Edit: I totally heard a staff member say that earlier!

Edited by Sifright, 21 March 2013 - 05:03 AM.

[pencilboom]

I don't get what you guys mean by 3rd person is breaking the immersion blah blah blah. They already said that if you don't want it, then it won't affect you.

Most simulation games ironically do have 3rd person view. Remember the old F-16 Fighting Falcon game? F-22 Lightning? Jane's flight combat simulations? Those were pretty popular back in the days of Simulation games. And they all had 3rd person / free fly camera. Space combat sim, Freespace 2 had 3rd person camera ( and it was one of the best space combat sim by critiques ).

Now for modern games? ARMA series? That title is claimed by numerous of PC hardcore fans as a modern military simulation. And guess what, it has 3rd person. Yup. 3rd person on a military sim. And you know what, ARMA has a wonderful community and it keeps growing until today.

And since "some people" mentioning that they will jump ship to War Thunder once PGI implemented the 3rd person camera, they're just being hypocrites. War Thunder is a 3rd person game.

And in all fairness, Mechwarrior 2, 3 and 4 also had the 3rd person camera. So why go all zealotry 1st person only now?

And even better if 3rd person can bring in some new fresh players. I personally rather have a community which has a player base of 10.000.000 strong rather than 1000 hard core fans. It wont do any good to the developers that are already trying their best to revive the franchise. Mechwarrior ( or Battletech if you please ) by the end of the day will still be a little franchise that nobody aware of.

So what's the big deal guys? Pop tarts you say? Heck we already have them in the game right now.
People will be able to peek from corners without exposing themselves? That's goat ****. They still need to expose themselves when they're going to shoot.

Scared to change much? Proooooooooobablyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....................................................

Edited by pencilboom, 21 March 2013 - 05:06 AM.

[Parnage Winters]

I am tired, sick and my throat feels like someones been running air strikes on it and I come on to read 35 pages(yes I've read all of them even the numerous stupid posts by I am and that guy with the black and red spirally sig banner) and frankly clear this up by the time I wake up from my med induced stupor.

I don't agree with rain on most subjects, hell many of the people here who I am agreeing with I've disagreed with in the past privately if not openly but yeah this needs a clearing up and a simple response that is quick would be most appreciated.

Someone needs to take a stand and figure this stuff out overall(community war/clans/etc) but at the moment a response to this is urgently required.

Say no to 3rd person view. I am the rational one stop making me seem fanatical PGI!

Sorry for any structure or wording errors, I am kinda out of it..

[John MatriX82]

I hope they are adding 3rd person to Training Grounds only.

ONLY

[QuantumButler]

Syllogy, on 21 March 2013 - 05:02 AM, said:

Or we can employ common sense, and stop raving like a lunatic about mechanics that you know nothing about from a point of knowledge, programming, design, or implementation.

Hahaha oh wow, you're in full denial aren't you? Else they're paying you real good.

Stages of golden denial, for reference.

1: There aren't any details, only rumors!
2: These are details, but wait until it's in-game to whine about it!
3: I don't see a problem with it, therefore everyone else is wrong and entitled!
4: Where is everyone?

[Syllogy]

If 3rd Person doesn't give any advantage to it's users, what problem do you have with it?

[Vassago Rain]

pencilboom, on 21 March 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

I don't get what you guys mean by 3rd person is breaking the immersion blah blah blah. They already said that if you don't want it, then it won't affect you.

Most simulation games ironically do have 3rd person view. Remember the old F-16 Fighting Falcon game? F-22 Lightning? Jane's flight combat simulations? Those were pretty popular back in the days of Simulation games. And they all had 3rd person / free fly camera. Space combat sim, Freespace 2 had 3rd person camera ( and it was one of the best space combat sim by critiques ).

Now for modern games? ARMA series? That title is claimed by numerous of PC hardcore fans as a modern military simulation. And guess what, it has 3rd person. Yup. 3rd person on a military sim. And you know what, ARMA has a wonderful community and it keeps growing until today.

And since "some people" mentioning that they will jump ship to War Thunder once PGI implemented the 3rd person camera, they're just being hypocrites. War Thunder is a 3rd person game.

And in all fairness, Mechwarrior 2, 3 and 4 also had the 3rd person camera. So why go all zealotry 1st person only now?

And even better if 3rd person can bring in some new fresh players. I personally rather have a community which has a player base of 10.000.000 strong rather than 1000 hard core fans. It wont do any good to the developers that are already trying their best to revive the franchise. Mechwarrior ( or Battletech if you please ) by the end of the day will still be a little franchise that nobody aware of.

So what's the big deal guys? Pop tarts you say? Heck we already have them in the game right now.
People will be able to peek from corners without exposing themselves? That's goat ****. They still need to expose themselves when they're going to shoot.

Scared to change much? Proooooooooobablyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....................................................

Those games were made for singleplayer, and multiplayer was ruined by poptarters and other terrible things, that will happen here. They're not remembered for their great, awesome multiplayer, you know.

MW4 is pretty much reviled because of the poptarting.

[Thirdstar]

Syllogy, on 21 March 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

If 3rd Person doesn't give any advantage to it's users, what problem do you have with it?

You sound like a man in the know. Please tell us how the devs plan to handle 3rd person such that it won't give an advantage to users. I'm all ears. Well eyes.

[Jeff K Notagoon]

Quit gettin' mad at video games camera views. At least we would be able to actually SEE those sweet paint jobs we're paying real money for.

[Syllogy]

Thirdstar, on 21 March 2013 - 05:09 AM, said:

You sound like a man in the know. Please tell us how the devs plan to handle 3rd person such that it won't give an advantage to users. I'm all ears. Well eyes.

I only know that they intend to implement it in a way that will not give a tactical advantage over those that use 1st Person.

[MustrumRidcully]

Vassago Rain, on 20 March 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

It was foretold that we'd get a casual MW4 with goldsinks, gold ammo, coolant, and poptarts The prophecy is coming true in every way, and they're feeding founder money to MW: tactics.

Enjoy.

So that's why people always say "If you want Battletech rules, play MW:Tactics" - they just want us to go where our money already went?

[pencilboom]

Vassago Rain, on 21 March 2013 - 05:08 AM, said:

Those games were made for singleplayer, and multiplayer was ruined by poptarters and other terrible things, that will happen here. They're not remembered for their great, awesome multiplayer, you know.

MW4 is pretty much reviled because of the poptarting.

I respect that. But to be fair, even right now we already have pop tarts everywhere. Jumping LRM cats and jumping cataphract 3d's mostly. And by the end of the day, it will still be "those guys with jumpjets" that will still be poptarting.

Note: excuse me for my grammar. I don't use english as my primary language

[Lyrik]

Tabrias07, on 20 March 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

https://twitter.com/MechWarriorF2P

I like how this picture proofs that there are gamers who really wants third person view xD And that PGI could make money of them.

More money = more MWO

Which of course means that it doesn't have to be a better MWO :-P

I would like a TPV IF it doesn't give any advantage over first person view!

[Mazzyplz]

pencilboom, on 21 March 2013 - 05:11 AM, said:

I respect that. But to be fair, even right now we already have pop tarts everywhere. Jumping LRM cats and jumping cataphract 3d's mostly. And by the end of the day, it will still be "those guys with jumpjets" that will still be poptarting.

Note: excuse me for my grammar. I don't use english as my primary language

only it will get much worse, because they will see behind the hills before they jump

[Crocjaw]

I read the first 6 pages and skipped to the end. Ive spent a lot of money, first for a computer and then lots on MC(dont tell my old mechwarrior buddies how much cause its kind of embarrassing) and I dont want 3rd person. I am really worried that I spent way too much money and the game is gonna go to hell. I come to the forums to learn more about the game and become a better pilot. Maybe I should stay away form the forums and get it all by word of mouth. Feeling sick that I may have wasted a lot of money.

[pencilboom]

Mazzyplz, on 21 March 2013 - 05:14 AM, said:

only it will get much worse, because they will see behind the hills before they jump

much worse how exactly? as in everybody will start using jump jet capable mechs?