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[Reitrix]

So jumped into my Founder Jenner (max armor) and launched into the Desert Map.
And this is what happens.


Ok, so that was a single LRM20 volley. 2 volleys were Launched at me, the first one missed completely, the second came as i saw the firing the Mech crest the hill, it was just inside the max LRM range, so i immediately legged it for the mountain 100 meters in front. as i approached the mountain, i Jumped and spun to face the missile volley on my frontal armor, and watched as the LRMs pass into the mountain.

Now, i then breathed a sigh of relief, that lasted for about a fraction of a second, as i watched in horror as the missiles then appeared out of the mountain and one shot me, all before i hit the ground, mind you, i only barely lifted off so i could spin.

So two problems i see here.

1) LRMs seem to be clipping through solid mountains.

2) LRMs now launch nuclear tipped warheads. (I'm aware of the missile splash bug)

Issue 2 is known, and is apparently being dealt with in the next patch.
Issue 1 is a problem from a bygone patch, a time when LRMs flew through buildings. And i would hope to see that fixed again.
Perhaps its just an issue with the Desert map, as i haven't seen them clip through objects for a while.
Perhaps it was State Rewind. Either way, i got one shot by an LRM

[AnnoyingCat]

never thought a Jenner can live though a volley of LRM 20, oh wait, it can't

Edited by AnnoyingCat, 21 March 2013 - 06:01 AM.

[Lefty Lucy]

AnnoyingCat, on 21 March 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

never thought a Jenner can live though a volley of LRM 20, oh wait, it can't

It should be able to. A Jenner usually packs 230ish points of armor. A single LRM20 *should* do 36 points of damage. That should be *very* survivable.

[armyof1]

AnnoyingCat, on 21 March 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

never thought a Jenner can live though a volley of LRM 20, oh wait, it can't

Never even played a Jenner eh?

[Ngamok]

One thing, using jump jets and landing right as the missles hit was probably what did it. I know all the super fast mechs can out run the missles. So I say that was enough there to get you though splash damage might have been the rear armor that fell and actually got you.

Also, this:

http://steamcommunit...s/?id=133142537

I got legged a couple of times as did this person I was spectating by LRMs. Saw a post yesterday about this happening more as well.

[Lefty Lucy]

Ngamok, on 21 March 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

One thing, using jump jets and landing right as the missles hit was probably what did it. I know all the super fast mechs can out run the missles. So I say that was enough there to get you though splash damage might have been the rear armor that fell and actually got you.

Also, this:

http://steamcommunit...s/?id=133142537

I got legged a couple of times as did this person I was spectating by LRMs. Saw a post yesterday about this happening more as well.

Regardless, he shouldn't be legged or killed by a single LRM20 volley.

[AnnoyingCat]

Lefty Lucy, on 21 March 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

It should be able to. A Jenner usually packs 230ish points of armor. A single LRM20 *should* do 36 points of damage. That should be *very* survivable.

armyof1, on 21 March 2013 - 06:08 AM, said:

Never even played a Jenner eh?

dones't looks like he got hit by a single lrm20 volley and it got it side torso

[Ngamok]

Lefty Lucy, on 21 March 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

Regardless, he shouldn't be legged or killed by a single LRM20 volley.

But if the missles took out his rear armor and maybe that is what did it, it can. Artemis LRMs all land roughly on the CT/RT/LT and on a smaller mech it might be enough to land maybe half the missles on one of the torsos facing the boat. So say he puts 8 points on rear and it got taken off somehow and a few of the other missles crit splashed internals. It might be one of those 1 in 100 chances that happens.

I've been playing my Cicadas which are basically a Jenner with 274 armor instead. Haven't had a single volley kill me yet.

Edit: Also he said he lifted off so he could spin. Maybe there was a state rewind in there that made those missles all hit back rather than the front. We can only assume, but if it was all back, I can see how he died.

Edited by Ngamok, 21 March 2013 - 06:25 AM.

[Lefty Lucy]

AnnoyingCat, on 21 March 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

dones't looks like he got hit by a single lrm20 volley and it got it side torso

That's what's happening with LRMs right now. They're doing absurd damage, especially to light mechs.

Ngamok, on 21 March 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

It might be one of those 1 in 100 chances that happens.

I've been playing my Cicadas which are basically a Jenner with 274 armor instead. Haven't had a single volley kill me yet.

1/100 chance? Are you guys even playing this game since the last patch? Non-ECM lights have half-lives of seconds. The reason why your cicada is surviving better is not the armor, it's because the hit boxes are not as vulnerable to the exaggerated effects of splash damage.

And it's rear armor is intact.

Edited by Lefty Lucy, 21 March 2013 - 06:25 AM.

[Ilwrath]

Reitrix, on 21 March 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

Now, i then breathed a sigh of relief, that lasted for about a fraction of a second, as i watched in horror as the missiles then appeared out of the mountain and one shot me, all before i hit the ground, mind you,

There is no solid mountains in this game. In closed beta you could start up in some weird dev mode and see it for yourself.

[Ph30nix]

it also doesnt help currently (but its what everyone wants) that missles dont seem to target solely on only the center torso now, so some missles are hitting cockpits now, add the current splash issues...

[Ngamok]

Lefty Lucy, on 21 March 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

That's what's happening with LRMs right now. They're doing absurd damage, especially to light mechs.



1/100 chance? Are you guys even playing this game since the last patch? Non-ECM lights have half-lives of seconds. The reason why your cicada is surviving better is not the armor, it's because the hit boxes are not as vulnerable to the exaggerated effects of splash damage.

And it's rear armor is intact.

No, I know what LRMs are capable of and how OP as hell they are right now. Also, this is a Jenner and is immune to the bad hit boxes. Go read the original post. The Atlas, Hunchback, Jenner, and Catapult don't suffer from the newer hit box designs. They basically said it's everything after the original four that had varying hit boxes that cause the splash overlap.

And I see where you see the the rear armor. I think that's a bug because if you take off a torso you should lose the entire side, not just the front side of it. Like I said, we don't know so there is nothing really you can say that will prove this one way or another.

[Lyrik]

How do you know it was only a single LRM20? Because I wasn't oneshot in my Mechs. And I didn't oneshot anyone with my ALRM15s .

But you should report the clipping to the support. Perhaps there is a bug with the map.

[Mawai]

Ngamok, on 21 March 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

One thing, using jump jets and landing right as the missles hit was probably what did it. I know all the super fast mechs can out run the missles. So I say that was enough there to get you though splash damage might have been the rear armor that fell and actually got you.

Also, this:

http://steamcommunit...s/?id=133142537

I got legged a couple of times as did this person I was spectating by LRMs. Saw a post yesterday about this happening more as well.

Well - if you look at his mech status in the screen shot ... the rear armor is not touched. Front armor has been stripped from the entire torso as well as the remaining arm ... leg armor is red. One side torso internal is red the other is gone. He was not destroyed by an ammo explosion. Presumably he had not received damage prior to this ... if this is the case then the one LRM20 volley did something like 120 damage or about 6 points/missile.

Even if the OP was mistaken and it was a 2x LRM20 volley ... the average damage is still 3/missile and that assumes every missile hit.

Edited by Mawai, 21 March 2013 - 06:33 AM.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Here is the result of an LRM strike. The interesting thing here is my mech was killed so many ways. Lost LT, RT, CT, and Head (plus both arms) in a single barrage.

[AnnoyingCat]

Lefty Lucy, on 21 March 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

That's what's happening with LRMs right now. They're doing absurd damage, especially to light mechs.

well, more like light mech without ecm.
i run a 3l and 2d, ecm covers me, and if im exposed, i run for cover. LRM didn't do a whole lot to me

[Ngamok]

Mawai, on 21 March 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

Well - if you look at his mech status in the screen shot ... the rear armor is not touched. Front armor has been stripped from the entire torso as well as the remaining arm ... leg armor is red. One side torso internal is red the other is gone. He was not destroyed by an ammo explosion. Presumably he had not received damage prior to this ... if this is the case then the one LRM20 volley did something like 120 damage or about 6 points/missile.

Like I said, there might be another issue here we can't see. Sure we see one LRM volley on the damage report. Maybe part of the first one hit him and the 2nd volley came in right behind him as he jumped and only really saw the 2nd. Like I said, I've been playing my Cicadas and their hit box is pretty much a Jenner. Has not happened to me unless I had my back turned to the missles.

[Sheraf]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 21 March 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

Here is the result of an LRM strike. The interesting thing here is my mech was killed so many ways. Lost LT, RT, CT, and Head (plus both arms) in a single barrage.

From the picture, it seems that you are a victim of focus fire. Can I have your leg?

[Lyrik]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 21 March 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

Here is the result of an LRM strike. The interesting thing here is my mech was killed so many ways. Lost LT, RT, CT, and Head (plus both arms) in a single barrage.

Sorry boy, but you got hit by at least LRM15, Gauss, AC2, AC5, Large Laser and a LRM20 and you STILL have the nerve to complain???

Did you have SRM ammo? AMS ammo? They can explode you know? And missiles are doing now the correct splash damage to legs. And ammo explosion in the leg are finally damaging correctly the rest of your mech ;-)

[Roadbuster]

Yep, LRMs are bugged atm.
Tried a setup with 4 LRM10 and one salvo of 40 LRMs vaporized a Commando. Ok, I though, and went on to a Catapult which went down after 70 missiles followed by an Atlas which took 110 missiles before it kissed the ground.

A Jenner JR7-D got 238max armor and the OP says his mech for max armor.
Now look at the damage done to the mech. RA yellow with all armor gone, CT yellow with no front armor, RT red with no front armor, LT destroyed, LA destroyed (let's say because of LT), Head and RL, LL all orange/red.
That would be 24 armor for RA, another ~20-26 for RT, ~30-38 for CT, ~20-26 for LT, ~15 for head and ~28 for legs.

24+20+30+20+15+28+28 = 165 armor (not counting the LA)...with only 1 LRM20 salvo dealing 36 damage...
That's alot of ammo explosions there if the LRMs would work as intended.

EDIT: Oh, and for the people who say the LRMs hit his back, that might have killed him, yes. But that doesn't explain why all the front armor is missing on the not destroyed parts.

Edited by Roadbuster, 21 March 2013 - 06:44 AM.